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Red Sox "Wooing" Francisco Cordero

Francisco Cordero of the Cincinnati Reds throws a pitch against the New York Mets in the ninth inning during a game at Citi Field in the Flushing neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York City.  (Photo by Patrick McDermott/Getty Images)

According to Yahoo! Sports' Mark J. Miller, four teams are in the process of "wooing" former Reds' closer Francisco Cordero, one of which is the Boston Red Sox.

Cordero appeared in 63 games for the Reds last season, and owns a 2.84 ERA over his last 209 innings (spanning 2009 through 2011). While he used to be a strikeout pitcher, that has changed the last few years: after posting a career-high 12.2 per nine in 2007, his K/9 the last four years has dropped to 10, 7.8, 7.3, and last season's 5.4 per nine.

This last drop in punch outs also came with a dip in his walk rate, though, and he has never been one to give up many homers. His career 0.6 home run per nine rate is even more impressive when you consider he has spent all but one season of his 13-year career in extreme homer-happy stadiums (six-plus years in Texas, a year and change in Milwaukee, and the last four years in Cincinnati).

We don't know if the drop in walk rate is sustainable just yet, but it's a 70 inning sample: we don't know if the drop in strikeout rate is permanent, either. His groundball rate has increased as his strikeouts have decreased (from 40 percent in 2008 to 50 percent in 2011), if you're wondering how it's possible he is continuing to succeed even without swing-and-miss pitches. It's good to have that insurance when you don't know if the strikeouts are coming back.

He isn't without his question marks, and FIP suggests there is a disconnect between his recent performances and reality, but there is a lot to like here. Namely, the same thing there is to like about most of the remaining closer market: there are more relievers left than jobs available, and the Red Sox are likely to get someone capable without spending too much so long as they keep their options open.

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Cordero likely wouldn't be as productive as Mark Melancon if he were to switch to the AL East, but he doesn't need to be if he is going to close. Setup men have it tougher than closers, given they have to enter the game far more often with runners on, rather than during a fresh top of the ninth with no one on and a lead in place. Someone like Cordero, who is good enough to hold a lead but not outright dominating, is the perfect fit for the closer role if the team has quality setup men in place to act as a bridge.

Brian MacPherson covered this the other day at the Providence Journal, discussing run expectancy and how it relates to what jobs are tougher for relievers. You should read the whole thing, but here's the money quote for our purposes:

Bard, by this measure, was a significantly more impactful pitcher for the Red Sox last season than Papelbon was, even though Papelbon was the closer. Bard saved 0.22 runs per inning, more than Aceves (0.20 runs per inning) or Papelbon (0.15 runs per inning.)

Bard entered with runners on more often than Papelbon, as 19 of his 70 2011 appearances came with runners on, compared to just five for the closer. In 2010, when the bullpen was thinner, Bard entered 24 of his 73 appearances with runners already on. One-third of his appearances involved cleaning up someone else's mess, and that's no easy task, especially if that mess is already in scoring position.

Cordero would allow the Red Sox to have someone with that "established closer" background in the role, but also allow Melancon, potentially the better arm at this stage in their careers, to pitch the more important innings. Think of it as a best of both worlds situation, where a Qualified Closer sits in the role, but the tougher innings go to the relief ace you would rather see out there. And, if Daniel Bard as a starter doesn't work out, then he either gets to setup along with Melancon in 2012, or take those innings as the team's closer, putting Cordero and his groundball stuff into a setup role.

Either way, the way the chaining of relievers works would help the Red Sox. Assuming Alfredo Aceves sticks in the pen (and Bard starts), signing Cordero would give Boston a group that included Cordero at the top, Melancon and Aceves in setup, Matt Albers, Franklin Morales, and Felix Doubront available for middle relief duty. Even without a Papelbon in place, that's a deep pen that can miss bats and induce groundballs, and from both sides of the mound. If Bard doesn't make it as a starter, then the pen is even stronger.

It's going to take time to sort out the rest of the roster, but, assuming the price makes sense for both parties, Cordero is a move that would work for a team with this many pitching slots still in flux.

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You're very pursuasive, Marc

The K rate terrifies me, but more than the rate itself which, as you point it, is a small sample size, the trend is not a good one. If he was 32 with this going on it would be one thing, but he’ll be 37 this year.

Of course it all depends on the money and the length of the contract. I could see a one year deal for little money, but I don’t think he warrants more than that. I imagine however he’ll get more than that from someone. I hope it isn’t the Red Sox.

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by Matthew Kory on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

How low is "low enough?"

I’m not convinced he’ll even be serviceable in the future.

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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 21, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Groundballs are a powerful thing

And the Red Sox’ defense is as good as the Reds’

by Marc Normandin on Dec 21, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

on the right side the Sox have a good D.

no…hell no…he’ll just be another Jenks..

by Dale Sams on Dec 21, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell Yes

Jenks had not been effective for at least two year prior. This guy has been. He knows how to pitch.In this case, the change in leagues works to his advantage,the first time around,and his ability should carry him throught the rest of the year. One year contract? They’d be crazy not to.

by Robert57 on Jan 13, 2012 7:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I said this on Twitter, but want to mention it here

Paying Cordero an extra million or two more than we might want to is one option, waiting out Madson is another (and makes sense if Cordero or anyone similar is going to cost too much), or trying to trade for someone like Andrew Bailey — who will cost in talent instead of dollars — is the other. My preference would be for low-cost Cordero and his ilk, but if “low-cost” isn’t in the options, I like Madson. Assuming he isn’t going long-term.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 21, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

My preference is to stay the hell out of the closer market altogether.

Leave the bullpen alone at this point, and sign two starters that can actually get us to September without burning through our entire bullpen, regardless of how good it is.

Also good to note Bard’s impact last season was “bigger” than Papelbon’s, as I got laughed down the other day by Robert57 and others when I asked whether Bard wasn’t the better pitcher in 2011 (despite his September numbers). Good to see there is a metric that backs me up on that.

So… move Bard to closer, let Melancon set up and go sign some damn starting pitching!!

No Madson, no Cordero, no Bailey. Starting Pitching!!

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 21, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually all for signing Cordero,

keeping Bard in the pen, and getting two starters. I’m not convinced that our middle relief is good, and I’m all for having a good rotation as well as a good bullpen. Why not get this guy and some starters?

by revived0103 on Dec 21, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose it depends on price, but...

… how about not Cordero because:

1) He’s 37 and his peripherals (K rate in particular) show a steady rate of decline.
2) He’s got closer “rep” so is likely to get more money than his peripherals say he’s worth…
3) His 2011 seems to benefit directly from absurd outliers (low BABIP/high strand rate)
4) Didn’t we learn this lesson when we signed Bobby Jenks last year?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 21, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

All of this

is why 5 million would be too much for him

by revived0103 on Dec 21, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, if we can get him for $2-$4 million for one or two seasons?

Yeah, probably worth it… I just think his reputation as a closer is going to get him more than that, and so I don’t want us spending more than that for him.

We shall see what the market ends up being.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 22, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You

will soon be reading about the Yankees signing of Jackson,Kuroda,or both.Hank Steinbrenner will go only so long before going over Cashmans frugal head.. If the Sox would stop “being interested” in every damn FA, and actually get one of them, it would be nice.

by Robert57 on Jan 13, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

In other news

Tim Brown from Yahoo! sports is reporting the Red Sox are kicking around the idea of signing Hiroki Kuroda ortrading for Gio Gonzaez. I’ll take Kuroda.

by aubatron2011 on Dec 21, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Are you saying the Angels are going to sign him? The Dodgers already dropped obscene money on Aaron Harang and Chris Capuano.

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by Matthew Kory on Dec 21, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see it

Aside from the recent rumblings that Kuroda would be open to signing with an Eastern team, he’s always seemed to be firmly against leaving the West. And I remember reading some other stories that basically said that he didn’t want to leave the life he’d set up in L.A.

So basically, I think the rumors of him be willing to sign with an Eastern team are just an effort to get some little leverage, and if I had to bet, I’d bet on him signing with either the Dodgers or Angels.

by Sologub on Dec 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he's playing hardball with the Dodgers

They have no money.

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by brogshan on Dec 21, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet, they were able to pay Kemp?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 22, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

their financials right now are, um, interesting

They did come to an agreement with Kemp- which pays him only about $10 million this year, then over $20 million for the rest of the contract.

They’ve signed a bunch of guys to deals worth wayyy more than the players deserve which are all pretty heavily backloaded.

Basically, they’re planning on having someone with more money than McCourt buying the Dodgers before next season, but doesn’t look like they can spend a whole lot right now.

Once their arbitration numbers are added in for the year, they’re gonna be pretty close to $100 million.

by wolf9309 on Dec 22, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll believe it when I see it

Tim Brown can be pretty reliable, but he also reported 7 hours before this story that Kuroda was nearing a one-year deal with a team and that he had been personally told by the Red Sox that they were NOT the team nearing a deal with him. I guess they could be considering it, but he made it sound like Kuroda was basically almost signed and doesn’t even mention that in this story.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

In Retrospect

This older post confirms what I posted today. The Sox are “kicking the tires on Kuroda”. What a priceless Baseball cliche. Translated,it means, we will have our writers tame the masses by pretending to be in on a player.

by Robert57 on Jan 13, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

His peripherals are scary

Not to mention he has lost significant velocity on his FB the last couple of seasons. If he is signed to anything less than a team friendly deal then I am losing serious confidence in Cherington.

by ritz on Dec 21, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Just to clarify

His BABIP was an insane .214, which was a significant deviation from his 2003-2010 average of about .305. His walk rate did decrease, but so did the K rate…a 5.5 is pretty uninspiring, especially for a guy with his stuff. That combined with a 82% LOB…HI, I’M A RED FLAG NICE TO MEET YOU.

by ritz on Dec 21, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this.
We don’t know if the drop in walk rate is sustainable just yet, but it’s a 70 inning sample: we don’t know if the drop in strikeout rate is permanent, either. His groundball rate has increased as his strikeouts have decreased (from 40 percent in 2008 to 50 percent in 2011), if you’re wondering how it’s possible he is continuing to succeed even without swing-and-miss pitches. It’s good to have that insurance when you don’t know if the strikeouts are coming back.

I would also add that I am very skeptical on the low walk rate (of 2011) being sustainable. In 13 years he’s had 3 years with less than 3.8 BB/9. And they were in 2002, 2007 and 2011. So there is no real trend to follow there. 2008-2010 was 4.82, 4.05, 4.46 so it was a pretty significant drop in 2011. It’s not like he has steadily gotten better.

There is a obvious trend to his drop in K rate. From 2003-2007 his K/9 went way up and his BB/9 trended slightly down. From 2007-2011 his K rate has dropped steadily each year and by 65% over that period. His years of below 3 BB/9 when you look at it are pretty big outliers.

Really the one big positive trend that sticks out to me is that his GB rate increase has been a steady climb for the last 5 years.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 21, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Re:

But are you expecting him to regress to something like a high 3’s ERA, or be a complete issue in the pen? Because if he’s inexpensive and can produce the former, then he’s worth it in what is a low-stress role compared to being a setup guy.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I don't see the job of "closer" in Boston to be low stress.

Sure it’s tougher to come in with runners on. It’s still a high stress position. And if it isn’t, then why sign a 37-year old guy for more than $5 million a year? If it is that much lower stress than closer, than why does having experience at it matter?

What is inexpensive to you? To me for him it is no more than 2 years and no more than 3-4 million a year. Even then, I do expect him to regress and at the end of the year,

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 21, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Cut myself off

at the end of the year, I would not expect it to be thought of as a good signing in hindsight.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 21, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well obviously a declining 37 year old reliever

would get a team-friendly deal, and I would support nothing but.

by revived0103 on Dec 21, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see both. Two more moves:

1. Offer Kuroda and Oswalt the same 1-year deal, probably $8-$9M and see which one takes it first. Somewhere I read this week that Kuroda is now open to playing on the east coast, which is probably a ploy that says “Red Sox and Yankees, bid on me!”

2. Sign one more reliever, and if Cordero and Madson are the choices, they are different offers. Give Madson a one-year, higher money deal and let him try-out for his next contract. And offer Cordero 2 years at much less money and basically put him in the hopper with Melancon to be the closer. Maybe the terms on Madson are 1yr, $9M + incentives for saves at 25, 30, 35, etc. For Cordero, it might be 2 years, $6M/yr…the same contract Francisco got from the Mets.

by cds7c on Dec 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

So, in this scenario, we get one starter and one reliever for $16-$18 million...

… even though, for all intensive purposes, we have two spots open in the rotation (unless one is filled by Miller or Bard) and that’s before any injuries occur (Beckett’s back and Buchholz coming back from a broken back – did I mention “back” enough yet??)…

I’d rather see the money spent on two starters, and we run with the bullpen we’ve got. Probably means we move Bard back to the bullpen where he’s been dominant, and with a good rotation, we avoid a collapse in September that wears out the entire bullpen.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

On your first point, neither guy is going to take that deal right now. Considering how desirable both are right now I don’t think either are willing to settle for a salary that low and I think Oswalt, reports to the contrary aside, is probably looking for a 2 year deal, or at least an option. But regardless, that money won’t get it done for either guy.

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by Matthew Kory on Dec 21, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Cordero

I would rather see the money go to a guy who has been very good at his job for the last four years,then to a so so starter who remains on the market for that very reason.

by Robert57 on Jan 13, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I said nay

If it is going to be more than $4 million a year for more than 2 years that is.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

All about the price

And he’ll have to sign somewhere before too much longer, unless he wants to play nowhere at all.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 21, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you hate it

but: Can he start?

If not I’m not particularly interested unless it does cost less than $2 or $3 million a year. We can write away those peripherals as this or that, but say he turns in a 4.00 ERA season, he has exactly the sort of stats that we can look at and say “whelp shoulda seen that coming”. Declining K rates a BB rate that could just be noise considering the three years before it, a .214 BABIP and his best LOB% from a full season in his career. I think he just looks like someone who is being set up to fail due to higher expectations.

If he can be had cheaply, sure, but for someone who closed as many games as him, his price is going to be higher than I’d even consider giving.

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by Rogue Nine on Dec 21, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

Now, let’s talk about more than just peripherals… but also mentality. This is the guy that threw the chair into the stands when he was with the Rangers, right? And we think that’s going to fit well in the pressure cooker of Boston?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 21, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that incident

This guy is a waste of money. He will not be able to handle the AL East or the Red Sox fanbase/media. That is why Papelbon was so valuable. The only closer left with that type of make up and stuff is Madson and to get him you have to enter the den of evil, where Mr. Boras is sitting smiling.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 21, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I knew they had two Franciscos at the time, and couldn't remember which was which...

… I wrote this really believing that I had it right.

Thanks for the correction. I knew there was a chance I was wrong.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 21, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sox always manage to go after players that are...

…already on my “Bahahha. Glad that guy isn’t on my team!” list.

Sometimes it’s for concrete reasons like being a fat mouth-breather who said he hated Boston. Othertimes it’s silly stuff like in the case of Wheeler, and Bill Simmons description of him long before Wheeler joinrd the Sox.

Cordero is in the latter camp. Apparently there’s this one guy who calls into MLB XM regularly who just loathes Cordero. During opening weekend, he called in and I guess his catch phrase is “He’s GOT ta GO!”. That just made me laugh and laugh.

So…based on the catch-phrase of one inbred Reds fan…I’m going to have to turn this one down.

by Dale Sams on Dec 21, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

If this team goes and signs Cordero

it’s a sure sign Robert57 is running the team and we are screwed.

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by gizmosandy on Dec 21, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

Agree'd

We’ll sign Cordero and Madson, trade for Bailey, and Cherington will bang on all spring training about how Bard is going to be and ace and how our elite bullpen will lead us to the majors.

Then we’ll win 85 games, Bard will need Tommy John surgery by June, Andrew Miller will make over 15 stars, Cordero will die of old age, and Sean, Rogue and I will get free “I told you so” license for the rest of the year.

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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 22, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait. I don't get one?

I want a free “I told you so” license.

(Of course, you left out that Lowrie will go .280/.370/.420 with 25 HRs and 95 RBIs for the Astros, while playing gold glove defense at SS… oh wait. I’m the only one that thinks that might happen…)

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 22, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And Weiland will suddenly morph into Johnny Venters, pitch 70 innings and have an ERA under 1.5

with a k/9 over 10.

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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 22, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

John Tomasse is reporting the Sox are backing off from Cordero

Because they don’t want to give and older reliever a multi-year deal.

by aubatron2011 on Dec 21, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, that is the one plus of not making splashy moves...

… I mean, other than trading Lowrie, it’s not like there’s a move made that has us complaining loudly that it was done, and even that one brings back a valuable piece to our bullpen, so it’s hard to argue that the team isn’t better for it.

I just hope we do make some moves eventually.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Dec 22, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Works for me

Two years is only interesting to me if he likes getting paid very little money.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 21, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer Kerry Wood to Cordero as late inning role.

He is still decent.
But he looks like he wants to retern to Chicago.

By the way, John Danks Agree To Extension with White sox.
I’m so bummed.

by Taro yamada on Dec 21, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think it's unlikely...

…to take advantage of any inefficiency in this way. This guy is an established closer coming off a season in which his ERA was well ahead of his FIP and xFIP. It seems highly unlikely that the Red Sox could both sign Cordero and get him at a reasonable price. Surely one of the other teams will offer two years at 4-5 per or one year at 6M. I would not want the Sox to offer or match either.

Established closer coming off a sub-3.00 ERA season doesn’t seem like a good buy-low position. Perhaps in late January but not before Christmas.

by UltimateCranston on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Cordero is running out of time to be picky about his next contract

So it really depends on if someone else blinks first. Which is totally possible, but he’s still worth exploring as an option.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Not interested in any bullpen piece right now.

Any. A. N. Y. Sign a fucking starting pitcher. I don’t care if it’s Hiroki Kuroda, Roy Oswalt, or Ross Fucking Ohlendorf, show us that you actually know that we have two gaping holes in the starting rotation.

The bullpen is fine. We have at least three “closers” maybe even more. Sign someone who is going to pitch more than three innings in a week.

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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

I bet...

… the plan is to convert them all to starters.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 22, 2011 1:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They are in on starters

The market is still slowing down in terms of price, and is also waiting on the trade market. Patience!

by Marc Normandin on Dec 22, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

no one else is signing starters. If there’s no movement from the red sox by the time one of Kuroda, Oswalt, Maholm, or Jackson sign, then I’ll start to worry, but even then, there will still be time. As of now, it sounds like the Red Sox have gone from showing no interest in anybody to at least acting interested in every single available player, so we’ll see. I’m guessing within a week we have a new starter.

by wolf9309 on Dec 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I've had patience

but the bullpen is strong, and the fact that they’re still talking to relievers when there hasn’t been any word of the Red Sox having “strong interest” or “wooing” any starting pitcher who is out there right now.

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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 22, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

here ya go:

from Gammons

Red Sox still looking @starting P. Reluctant pass on Reed Johnson, no Cordero. Believe Bob McClure right person and teacher for this staff

and From Danny Knobler:

And the market is still so fluid that one person who talked to the Red Sox this week reported back that they are “in on everybody.”

That last one was specifically in an article about starting pitching and was referring to the starting pitching market.

by wolf9309 on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

That still doesn't name anybody

“In on everybody” means crap. Every team is “in on everybody.” I bet the Rangers are saying they’re “in on everybody” and they have more starters than they know what to do with.

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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

They've been attached to names

No, the word “wooing” was never part of it, but they’ve been attached to Gonzalez pretty heavily, Kuroda and Oswalt as well. Saunders was mentioned as being looked at by them, and they talked to the White Sox about Danks (and probably Floyd) at the Winter Meetings. Let’s not pretend they have no interest in starting pitching at all.

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Gio Gonzalez

is going to Washington(99% done)…Nat Gio…lol

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Twitter_eb_2_small Marc Normandin

Authors

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Jddrew_small gizmosandy

Pedoria1_small Mattsullivan

Baghead-1_small Matthew Kory

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