lone1c: The Mystery Armchair GM Strikes Back
If I’m suddenly dropped into the role of being the General Manager for the Boston Red Sox, I’d be probably the first to admit (privately, of course!) that I’m in way, way over my head. I’d also say that the 2012 season would be an attempt to apologize for 2011 (more on that below). I’d also have to find a willing mouthpiece, as being an pseudonymous GM doesn’t work quite so well if I have to appear in public to announce every move.
So what changes would I bring to the table as the new GM for the Red Sox?
Manager
I go with Pete Mackanin here. He’s worked in a big baseball market (Philadelphia), and has had a ton of experience working with younger players in the minors and has had enough interim experience to handle the job. The greater age gap between Mackanin and the team will be a positive development; the last thing the current clubhouse needs is Tito 2.0. (Note: this is not in any way a disparagement of Francona. This is instead just a statement that a different direction is needed.) Dale Sveum, Mike Maddux, and Sandy Alomar are out for that reason.
Pitching Coach
Jason Varitek has been suggested by many as a future coach and manager for years. It’s clearly time for Varitek to hang up his cleats and try out a new role. He’s already well-known for his work with the pitching staff, and his preparation against opposing hitters; such a move would allow him to continue to make a contribution in Boston, while also mentoring the two young catchers who will still be on the Red Sox staff.
Roster: Position Players
There isn’t a lot to do here: most of the position players are still under contract, or not yet free agents. No surprise that J. D. Drew isn’t being re-signed at this point, and there isn’t a lot that we can do about moving Carl Crawford, unless new Angels GM Jerry Dipoto is as clueless as his predecessor Tony Reagins. So, your new outfield will be the same as the old, with Jacoby Ellsbury in center (and will get between $8MM and $9MM in an attempt to avoid arbitration) and Carl Crawford in left, with some combination of Josh Reddick and Ryan Kalish combining to provide services at right field.
Marco Scutaro’s option has been picked up as well, and I will start the year with a left-right platoon at shortstop. Jed Lowrie, for all of his injury woes, is still a serviceable player, and with Kevin Youkilis not having played more than 136 games a season during the course of his current deal, it’s pretty clear that whoever the utility infielder will see a substantial amount of playing time.
Behind the plate, you’ll again have a platoon situation, with Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Ryan Lavarnway splitting the duties. We’d need to see both guys handle all of the pitching staff during spring training to determine who’d catch for whom.
Therefore, the only major question is: to re-sign David Ortiz or not? At this point in Papi’s career, I’ll trade dollars for flexibility, much like the Sox did with Wakefield: I’d give him a two-year deal, 2/23, with about two-thirds of the money due next year (2012: $15MM, 2013: $8MM), with renewable options. It makes Ortiz harder to move in 2012, but a lot easier in 2013, because not as many teams are likely to balk at his contract.
I’d rather carry a swing guy than strictly carry a fifth outfielder, so Mike Aviles gets to stay, and Darnell McDonald is out of a job, at least in Boston. (Yes, I know that means an all left-handed outfield, except for Aviles. I’m okay with this—I think.)
Roster: Starting Rotation
Okay. John Lackey and Daisuke Matsuzaka presumably no longer have a spot in the Red Sox’s 2012 plans. (And it’s been long enough since I’ve thought about Matsuzaka that I had to think about how to spell his name.) Clay Buchholz should make his way back in the spring, so combined with Josh Beckett and Jon Lester, that’s three of five starting rotation spots locked down. However, noting that the Sox lost two starters for most of the season, it’s pretty clear that they need to build a pitching staff that’s about eight starters deep between the Sox and Pawtucket.
As of this writing, the only minor-league pitchers who aren’t on the 40-man that I would at all consider Sox-ready are Scott Atchison and (perhaps) Junichi Tazawa. Atchison is a long-reliever, not a starter, so he’s out. Tazawa is still a question mark, but he’s a starter candidate. So let’s hold on to that.
Moving on to the 40-man, Michael Bowden is a reliever at this point; Stolmy Pimentel is a possibility, but is probably too green to see service except as an emergency starter in 2012; Kyle Weiland is most likely viewed in the same capacity as Bowden or Pimentel. The less said about Andrew Miller, probably the better.
Now that said, this still doesn’t leave us with a full set of options. Three locks, and a whole lot of question marks. For this reason, I think you still need to keep Tim Wakefield’s number on speed dial: there’s going to be a very high likelihood that you require his services during the season, and we know he can be had at a reasonable price if he’s still interested in pitching next year. (Note to Ben Cherington: Only Tim Wakefield decides when Tim Wakefield is ready to move on. Pittsburgh forgot that, and has been punished with losing seasons ever since they sent Wakefield down back in 1993. So please don’t let Timmeh put a hex on the Sox, too!)
Deals: Starting Rotation
So that means it’s on to the other teams; free agency or trade, or both. Some possible candidates from what is unfortunately a very thin market:
- Erik Bedard pitched more than cromulently last year (8 starts, 4.03 ERA with the Sox; 3.62 ERA overall). The Sox don’t need an ace at the moment—they need competent back-end-of-the-rotation guys, and Bedard would appear to fit that bill. So they should definitely try to pick him up on a medium-length, medium-dollar deal (2/$16, anyone?).
- Mark Buehrle: if he’s expressed willingness to go to the NL, then he’s a possibility for the Sox. The downside is, of course, that he’ll be 33 next season, so a long-term deal looks sketchy. However, he’s been remarkably resilient the last few years. I’d be inclined to offer him a mid-term deal. To make it relatively lucrative, I'd offer about 3/45, but front-loaded to avoid having another Lackey-like contract in the coming years. It's a little bit risky, but it's the best "other" move from the free agent pool. (Note: revised from original version, as wolf9309 pointed out Buehrle is not under CWS control.)
- I’m reluctant to take either Hisashi Iwakuma or Yu Darvish off the international market, for the very problems that plagued Matzusaka are likely to affect either or both of these players as they make the transition as well: can they adjust to the American strike zone? Will the increased workload have an impact? (Seems more a concern for Iwakuma than Darvish, as Darvish has thrown 10 CG’s a season, on average, and had a career-high WHIP of just over 1 last year.) But if either of the above plans fell through, Darvish is the better candidate to go after.
Something important to keep in mind: Lackey presumably returns in 2013, so it's better not to get into a situation where you have both Lackey and Buehrle locked up long term at the same time. Although, as a GM, I'd be willing to entertain trade offers for Lackey at half-price (he might be worth $6-7 MM per year, if he's pitching in the NL, and if the GM that takes him is suitable gullible. Note to self: make sure compensation for Theo includes taking Lackey off the Sox roster and books. Afterwards send a rancid bowl of clam chowder kind thank-you note for taking that burden off of us as he heads to Chicago. . . .)
Roster: Bullpen
The first domino to fall is one Mr. Jonathan Papelbon. He wanted to "set the bar" for closers on the open market: his collapses in 2009 and 2011, in combination with his personality, may give teams pause, and I think certainly has lowered his value on the market. I’d be willing to extend him at his current salary, as he seemed to correct many of the problems that were plaguing him in 2009 and 2010, but Papelbon may choose to test the waters. If he does, then he’s gone. Ultimately, if I’m the GM, I expect he ultimately signs elsewhere.
New closer Daniel Bard needs to be given more support. Of course, now that he’s not the staff fireman, that should ease up a lot on his workload. (And, while we’re at it, I would certainly see about putting him in some sort of protective cocoon-like or stasis-like environment between outings, to minimize any potential damage. I would also see about cloning him, ASAP—same goes for Lester and Pedroia.)
Alfredo Aceves is still under team control, and even though the Red Sox declined the options on Scott Atchison and Dan Wheeler, neither of them has pitched their way off the roster. So that provides half of the crew. Franklin Morales also did an acceptable, if not stellar job, and could be used to eat innings in games when the Sox are behind. Felix Doubront could use a little more polishing in Pawtucket. I’d be tempted to give Michael Bowden a shot—particularly because he’s out of options—except I think Matt Albers is probably the better long-term choice, and Bowden might be useful trade bait for the White Sox (see above).
Deals: Bullpen
- Ryan Madson would be a viable alternative, except that his numbers only look exceptional in the context of being an NL pitcher. If you tack on another half- to full-run for the NL-to-AL transition, suddenly he’s looking not so exciting, and certainly not a player I’d put Papelbon-sized money on. In addition, that puts us back in the Bard-as-fireman situation which I’d be really trying to avoid.
- Darren Oliver (Rangers) would be a good Billy Wagner-type candidate. More than just a LOOGY, he appeared in 61 games with a total of 51 IP, with up to two full innings some days. He had a more than respectable 2.29 ERA. His peripherals also look promising, averaging over 8 K/9, and a consistent 1.1 WHIP over the last three seasons. Unfortunately, he appears to be the only left-hander on the market who won’t cause heart attacks among the Fenway faithful every time he trots out to the mound. A one- or two-year deal wouldn’t break the bank.
- Other than that, I’d be praying that Rich Hill makes a full recovery and can be the guy that he was for a few weeks in early 2011 before his season was cut short.
Trade Bait
While I would rather like to hold on to prospects, I can see the value of trading them for a Adrian Gonzalez-type talent. Of the players on the Pawtucket roster, the only ones I’d hold off on are Tazawa, Atchison, Ryan Kalish, and Will Middlebrooks (and maybe Drew Sutton and Che-Hsuan Lin). Anybody else in Pawtucket or lower is presumably fair game, at the right price (1B's, 2B's, and LF's, I'm looking at you!). I won’t trade Anthony Ranaudo or Drake Britton for the eighth-inning setup guy du jour, but they’re definitely on the block if Felix Hernandez suddenly decided he hates Seattle and wants to hang his sign outside of Fenway!
Opening Day Roster
Over the Monsterites, here is your 2012 opening day roster.
| Starter | Player | Bench | Player |
| SP1 | Jon Lester | RP | Alfredo Aceves |
| SP2 | Josh Beckett | RP | Matt Albers |
| SP3 | Mark Buehrle | RP | Scott Atchison |
| SP4 | Clay Buchholz | RP | Franklin Morales |
| SP5 | Erik Bedard | RP | Darren Oliver |
| RP | Dan Wheeler | ||
| 1B | Adrian Gonzalez | ||
| 2B | Dustin Pedroia | CL | Daniel Bard |
| 3B | Kevin Youkilis | ||
| SS | Marco Scutaro/Jed Lowrie | IF | Lowrie/Scutaro |
| LF | Carl Crawford | UT | Mike Aviles |
| CF | Jacoby Ellsbury | OF | Ryan Kalish |
| RF | Josh Reddick | C | Lavarnway/Saltalamacchia |
| C | Jarrod Saltalamacchia/Ryan Lavarnway | ||
| DH | David Ortiz | ||
Other Changes
As I said above, I think several things need to be done to apologize for the 2011 season.
* My first act as GM would be to lower the price of the bleacher seats by about 15 to 20 percent. (No increases in the main seating, and increases in the box and luxury seats to make up some of the shortfall.)
* To do something more productive with the money that we were formerly paying to Hideki Okajima, I’d institute Free Fenway Frank Fridays.
* Tim Bogar would be replaced with a stoplight at third base. It’d be just about as effective. Either that, or I’d let Adrian Beltre charge at him a few times during a Rangers series or two. (Or maybe both.)
* And finally, just for giggles, and because a GM can’t be all business, all the time, I’d offer Ben Buchanan a chance to win season tickets for life, if he can watch an entire game against the Cleveland Indians without leaving the room. The catch? He’d have to do it while sitting in a room filled with spiders. (Fear Factor, eat your heart out.)
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Oakland's willing to listen
on Gio Gonzalez and Cahill and anybody else on their roster, I’d be willing to give up some good prospects to get either one of them.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 7, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Buehrle is officially a free agent
so he can’t be traded. Besides, he had 10 and 5 rights until that happened, so not only would they have had to trade him before he hit free agency, he would’ve had to agree to it and be happy to take that 1-year, $15 million.
Thanks for the catch
I think I misread what the articles were saying—I thought that the option became active if he was traded, so I assumed it was still in effect. I’ve adjusted accordingly. Again, I still think he’s the top target, but not for an extended contract. Make it rich enough to entice, though.
Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell
I don't think you have the money to do all this
And I love Jason Varitek as much as the next guy, but signing him as the pitching coach with no prior coaching experience sounds like a plan concocted by a 7-year-old. I generally skip the manager/coaching staff sections of these write-ups because no outsider has a good enough idea of the job description, let alone how the candidates would work. Still, this stuck out.
I like your Ortiz plan, and agree with a cheap Bedard signing.
Is “cromulently” related to Conan the Barbarian’s God of Battle, Crom?
Curt Young as pitching coach worked out oh so well
So you’re right, talking about managers and coaches is not my expertise (and I freely admitted to being over my head at some of this). But I’d also argue there’s no one else in baseball who knows the Red Sox pitching staff better right now. If you’d like, name him an assistant, and get someone in on a short-term deal to mentor him, and promote him in a few years.
As from “cromulently,” it’s a Simpsons reference.
Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell
I'm sure there must have been some
But have there been alot of prominent pitching coaches who were catchers? I imagine there have been, just can’t think of any of the top of my head. I usually thought that it was usually pitchers because they knew the actual mechanics of the position and motions the best. Tek would be fine strategy wise and he knows the players. But I always thought that the details of pointing out mechanical flaws by looking at a guy throw a pitch was easiest pointed out by someone who had done it in the past. If any catcher could do it, it would be Tek though.
by The Name is Dalton on Nov 7, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
As for the money
Some of the savings will come in the outyears, since Lackey can be extended for an extra year at league minimum salary. I would also be willing to go over the threshhold in 2012, knowing that Matsuzaka’s off the books in 2013, and many of the short- to mid-term contracts would be less expensive in 2013 than 2012.
Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell
Hernandez makes
58 million for the next 3 yrs. I don’t think he’ll have to hate seattle to be moved… Someone should tell the GM he’s not a team friendly contract anymore…
The M's have money
Their payroll is usually in the $90-$100 million range. And King Felix will be paid below market valuie for the next three years.
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by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Granted
However if someone offered to free up their big contracts (figgins 25m, Ichiro 17m) they should listen. they could use the money on younger higher upside players and address other needs.
Ichiro is popular and only has one more year on his contract
It’s not worth moving your bets player just to get rid of Figgins. Even if the M’s were interested in moving Hernandez, the Sox probably don’t have the players to get him.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
What?
So providing that much salary relief (they probably won’t even resign Ichiro) while providing some high ceiling prospects+ major league ready talent isn’t enough? He’s running that franchise into the ground while holding on to his lovechild. You would be taking 45mil off their books for this year and giving them probably Middlebrooks 3rd, Reddick RF, Iglesias SS Gold Glove, Lowrie UT + one of Britton/Pimental/Weiland.
All those players by the way
are regarded as possible contribution candidates to the Boston Red Sox of the Beast Division that is the American League East.
Plus(i'll probably be notorious for my pluses)
You’ll be giving them give or take 60+ mil to work with. Darvish (japanese ahem) is available. They will avert some attention there. Probably make a run at Prince and fill out the rest of the roster with money to spare. They’ll have a better all around team. Someone get Jack Z on the phone.
KIng Felix is almost two years younger than Clay Buchholz
There are lots of questions regarding Middlebrooks. But even assuming he’ll be good, he’s at least two years away. Iglesias hasn’t shown the ability to hit. Reddick is nothing special. Lowrie is a utility player who can’t stay healthy. Pimentel and Britton haven’t shown anything yet, and they’re not close to being major league ready (Britton – 6.91 ERA in Carolina League and Pimentel – 4.53 with Salem and 9.12 ERA with Portland). Weiland is probably a reliever. All you are offering is a salary dump for one of the best young pitchers in baseball—and there’s no indication that the M’s are looking for salary relief at the cost of their best player.
The M’s would be crazy to take that package. I’d assume they’d want major league talent (Buchholz, Lester, Bard) plus good prospects (Bogaerts, Lavarnway, Brentz, Kalish, etc.). But they’re not moving King Felix with three years left on his deal.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
That the package is a bit weak but i think ure undervaluing those players. Aside from Felix the mariners dont really have any attractive pieces (yes i know of ackley). If they are going to keep payroll at around 100mil they should at least want to win more than 81 games a year. They are a lot of scouts who value what reddick can bring and no one is discounting iglesias’ glove. I’d give bogaerts if i had to. but, i would try to hold on to him Jacobs, Brentz and Ranaudo everyone else is up for grabs for felix.
PLUS
If the Mariners make him available there’s only 3 teams that could provide that type of salary relief (Skyanks, Red Sox, Angels) Cashman didn’t want to part with his prospects at the deadline, I don’t think the angels would take on all that salary or give up their prospects either. We’re playing the field not giving in.
Middlebrooks is two years away?
He had an 865 OPS at Double-A Portland last year. His ETA is mid-2012 if there is a spot open. Not sure how he’s two years away.
I do agree that the package for King Felix would be exorbitant with three years left on the deal, but I don’t see why Middlebrooks won’t be ready this season. He turns 24 in September.
by UltimateCranston on Nov 7, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The way the Sox develop players, start 2013 seems more likely barring injuries that force him to start.
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He'll be starting mid-2012
Unless the Sox do the smart thing and get value for Youk before he has a Mike Lowell-type injury that ends his career.
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That's overly optimistic
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's optimistic
I think it’s pessimistic. What he’s saying isn’t that Middlebrooks will be ready, but that injuries will be so bad that we’ll call him up anyways.
Optimistic about Middlebrooks
Who isn’t ready
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by Drugs Delaney on Nov 8, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
And won’t be starting. If Youk is unable to play, the Sox will be stuck with Aviles/Lowrie at 3B.
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by Drugs Delaney on Nov 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Good job Mr. Mgr.
My alternatives would be to not spend a bunch, especially after mulling LesterJohn’s Fanpost about using Doubront as the #5. I really like giving Bowden his shot in the Pen as a one inning dominator. All i can think of when I hear talk of not using him is what happened to David Aardsma when he finally gotit and found his groove. I suspect, based on his success as a closer in AAA and his success at Fenway in 2011 for the FIRST inning, except for one bad outing, that he could be very effective for the Sox. Finally, I haven’t found anywhere that says Tek couldn’t be brought back as a player coach, on the 40-man roster until needed, to work with the catchers and pitchers. That may keep him happy and provide great value to the team as it transitions.
Mr.Mgr
I hope you were kidding about Tim Wakefield. Note to Ben Cherington. He is done,and if you have been paying attention, you know this. Wakefield’s endless stay in Boston is one of the most peculiar things I have ever seen in sports. There is always someone around here who sees him as useful. He hasn’t been for years. Just the players lost to aquire Doug Mirabelli repeatedly has made him a hindrance. The SB’s,the wild pitches,and the high 5.00 ERA, year after year makes him a detriment. His warped thinking that the fans want to see him get the all time wins record? Give me a break.On a more positive note,Oliver would be a great pickup,and he must be paid a decent salary, as people are finnally figuring out how important a good bullpen is. I would prefer to sign Bettencourt,Luis Ayala,or Saito instead of Albers. While he looked good in the first half, he was dreadful in the 2nd. A minor league deal to stay warm in Pawtucket would work. As for Bard closing,I would have to shut off the TV and walk around the house during each appearance. If anything, I would try to hoodwink some Gm into taking him,Reddick,Kalish, and Doubront/Pimental for a good RFder or starting pitcher. Reddick is not the guy when you have Carlos Beltran or Cuddyer out there. I’m talking about winning it all next year. Won’t happen with Reddick and or Kalish. Hotdog Friday is great. This team needs to give back somethinng to it’s fans. Raising box seats is a great idea. If they can afford boxes and suites,why not jack up the price. i’ll do you one better. A decrease in all other tickets. Hope they resign Bedard, who is one heck of a pitcher when healthy. Would rather have Wilson or Edwin Jackson before Buerlie. With Wilson, they can win it all next year.As for closer,they simply have to re-sign Pap,even if its one dollar more then Madson.Rodriguez , Cordero,or Bell cannot fill his shoes, and Bard lacks the constitution and talent.Put him back in his setup role if you must,but he was terribble at the end. You have to have lights out closer. Bowden does nothing for me. I would include him in that package I proposed. Mackinen? Sure,as long as he IS NOT a players Mgr. We’ve been there and done that.
Does anybody know the strength of the Rockies Farm System?
WEEI is reporting that the Rockies are interested in acquiring Youk. If they have a strong farm system, that could be a smart move for the Sox to do. You could get a few prospects and have more prospects to make deals with.
No they're not, some Colorado sports columnist wrote an article saying "Lol I think Youkilis would be good for the Rockies!"
"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz
It was Troy Renck.
And how do you he wasn’t writing that because his team sources have told him they’d be at least interested acquiring Youk? Interested and actually acquring him are two different things.
Any team in need of a first baseman that misses out on Pujols and Fielder will likely ask on Youk.
Any team lacking in power and in need of a 3B or a DH will be inquiring on Youk. Many of those teams will make better offers than the Rockies would. Off the top of my head: A’s (DH) Brewers (1B) Houston (pending move to AL West) Dodgers (3B or 1B if they want to replace Loney with someone who can, y’know, hit the ball) Possibly Tigers (3B) Mariners (DH)
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I think Youk stays here
unless the Sox get blown away in an offer because than they become one of those team’s lacking powere at third, and with an outside possibility of DH. If the Sox could acquire David Wright, which is a long shot, than moving Youk makes sense.
There are a couple potentially available 3Bs I'd be okay with replacing Youk with.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
DFA Rev Halofan, The New York Yankees, The Tampa Bay Blue Seats, Carl Crawford, John Lackey, Darnell McDonald, Dave Magadan, Tim Bogar, Buck Showalter, Dan Johnson, Hawk Harrelson, Jonah Keri, Murray Chass, Mark Sanchez, Micheal Vick, Jared Allen, Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Rex Ryan, Rob Ryan, Trent Dilfer, Heath Evans, Cris Carter, Vuvuzelas, The Chicken Dance, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Stephanie Meyer, and the entire fucking city of Philadelphia.
It's more about
the Sox deciding to replace Youk. I would have to think they would want somebody that could give them similar #s before they even think about trading him. His value, coming off two injury shortened seasons, is not that high and add on the fact he’s 32, not 22. I think they would have to be blown away with a trade for a pitcher to trade him.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
or have a deal in place where they trade him, and if they get prospects in the deal, use one or two of the prospects to acquire a pitcher in seperate trade.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 7, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions

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