What David Ortiz's Free Agency Would Be Like With The New CBA
As you have heard by now, assuming you were online at all for even a minute yesterday, MLB released the details of a brand new five-year collective bargaining agreement that changes the way a whole lot of things are done in baseball. Regardless of your feelings on the deal itself -- Matthew Kory outlined the various takes on it from around the web earlier today, if that's what you're looking for -- it's going to have implications on how free agency compensation works.
Following this off-season, compensation will no longer be determined by the Elias Rankings. This is a good thing! The Elias Rankings were not an accurate representation of player value. MLB would have been better off allowing one of their employees to huff paint thinner until they could venture on a vision quest to tell them if Darren Oliver were a Type A or Type B free agent.
Instead, compensation will be determined by qualifying offers of a certain monetary value. A qualifying offer of $12.4 million next winter will be enough to earn a player's team compensation, assuming he is signed by another club, and also that the player in question was on his previous team for the entire preceding season. What this basically means is no more acquiring Billy Wagners at the trade deadline, then earning those picks for the next draft when he leaves for another team following an arbitration offer. Wagner would have needed to be on the Red Sox all year long in order to get those picks, and Boston would have needed to offer him a contract worth a certain amount in order to qualify for picks.
That is not the case just yet, though, as the Elias system will get one last crack at ruining a veteran player's winter. Enter David Ortiz, who, as of tonight, will likely be offered arbitration by the Red Sox in case their contract negotiations with the 36-year-old slugger go awry. This would allow Boston to recoup compensatory picks should someone else sign him, but from the sound of it, that doesn't seem likely. Work with me here, though.
If the new system were in place already, rather than next winter, the Red Sox couldn't simply offer Ortiz arbitration. They would have to give him (at least) that $12.4 million qualifying offer (a figure derived from the average salary of the top-paid 125 players). Ortiz made $12.5 million in 2011, so it's likely that wouldn't be an issue with the Red Sox front office, given he had his best season in a few years. It would, however, keep them from offering him less money, were they so inclined, limiting Boston's options in regards to negotiations.
Were Ortiz to sign elsewhere following this offer, the Red Sox would get that team's first round pick. Assuming that team isn't one of the 10-worst according to win percentage (it used to be 15-worst) from the previous season, anyway. Basically, if the Astros, who need a DH when they move to the AL, decided to throw a multi-year contract at Ortiz for say, $14 million a year, since they were horrific the year prior, they wouldn't need to give up their pick. Meaning the Red Sox not only lose Ortiz, but they don't get anything in return for him, except money back in their budget.
It's a better system for players, for sure, as their old teams will have a difficult team low-balling them, while they may get bigger raises from new clubs who know they have to impress financially in order to outsell the appeal of the qualifying offer. It removes the stigma that many Type-A players, who would not receive a qualifying offer in the required realm from their old club, had when it came time to sign with a new club, post-arbitration offers.
Boston doesn't have to deal with that just yet, but should Ortiz sign another one-year deal, they will be faced with a situation like the above soon enough. It's a change for the better, though, as almost anything that eliminates the Elias Rankings would be.
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Doesn't the team that loses the player still get a sandwich pick?
Or am I getting my wires crossed here?
Yes
I didn’t mean to imply that sandwich picks were out. But you still have to go through the qualifying offer process in order to earn the picks.
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by Marc Normandin on Nov 23, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong...
I thought I read that if a team had one of the ten worst records from the past season it would send its second pick to the player’s old team.
Also, a funny thought since draft picks could be traded – if a team is going to sign a type A free agent requiring that they surrender their top pick, perhaps they might consider trading the pick away preemptivly for equal value. Then they could re-acquire a top pick later for the same package, thus dodging or reducing the sacrifice.
by Z3rogs on Nov 23, 2011 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's only the lottery picks that are traded unfortunately.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 23, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
In the example where the Astros sign Ortiz...
the Red Sox gets Houston’s 2nd pick. It’s not necessarily the second round pick, as long as it’s the Astros’ pick after the first. I’m sure I’ve rbs this somewhere maybe yesterday. Can somebody please confirm this? What I don’t know in this example is whether Boston also gets a supplementary pick in addition to Houston’s second pick.
by OzTiger on Nov 24, 2011 12:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only the top ten picks are protected now, whereas before I think it was top 15.
And I think they get the Astros next pick after that. I’m not sure how it works if Houston signs two free agents that qualify to have them lose a pick…regarding who gets the higher of the two they have to give up.
by The Name is Dalton on Nov 24, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like a great change for Red Sox fans when it comes to retaining players or siging FA’s. Anything to stop the incessant obsession with DP’s,fueled by sabermatricians, will help the team become better now and next year. Ortiz for one year at last year’s salary would be a great deal for the Sox. Win now!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Now, do you think we’re going to do a goddamn thing this offseason, or are we just going to maintain the non-playoff team from 2011?
Non-playoff team from
2011 was pretty damn good. Few tweaks here and there and they’ll be just fine… Happy Thanksgiving to you too.
Canadian Thanksgiving is in October
(earlier harvest)
Hope you had a great day…and if the big announcement is Bobby Valentine as manager, I’m okay with holding off on big announcements.
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I think the longer it goes, the less likely Bobby V. is going to be the manager.
Or maybe that’s just me hoping this is the case.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 24, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
And all our hopes are dashed...
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
Cherington
It seems like he is lost. Luchino should apoint himself as GM,and let ben be an assistant.
Other than Papelbon,
none of the other big time FAs have signed. The Sox will have a manager. Did you see when the Cubs announced Sveum as their manager? Did you happen to notice who put his jersey on? It wasn’t Jed Hoyer, it was Theo Epstein. There’s still plenty of time in the off-season for moves to be made.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 25, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not In Charge
Not to blame Cherington entirely,as ownership prevails, under Ben’s regime, they have lost Papelbon and have not aquired anyone,while other teams are snapping players up. If it was a horse race, you would see Philly leading the pack, with the Sox running dead last.They have already wasted a quarter of the off season by dragging out the manager search. As for Ben, thank God Larry vetoed Sveum. They do not need another meek and mild manager next year. Hire valentine, for God’s sake,and get on with improving the team.
but... but it's NOT a horse race
it’s not a race to sign the most free agents quickly. Just because Papelbon signed somewhere doesn’t mean they need to immediately make a signing. There are so few free agents that have signed, and even fewer decent free agents.
This is true. I guess it is the Papelbon signing that makes it feel that way. Texas signed Nathen, but for more then they should have. It just reminds me of last year. When they finnally got around to improving the pen, the best of them were already gone,leaving the team with the likes of Bobby Jenks still out there, to be overpaid by the Sox.
Not sure what you mean
There have only been a couple of players that have signed and none were really on the Sox radar. They are rumored to be in on conversations on with a bunch of agents, as normal.
Plus, the CBA was just announced and if you have noticed there has been very little movement so far before that deal was announced. That’s not a coincidence, GMs want to make sure they understand the rules before the enter deals that will be affected.
by The Name is Dalton on Nov 26, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Throw in the fact this team has been looking for a manager for about two months.
This isn’t the typical Red Sox off-season, where they knew who was going to be on the coaching staff. The manager should also have some input into the players he will be coaching. You don’t want to sign a player and then have the manager come in and say “I didn’t want that guy.” or something like that.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 26, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
But now that the new system is in place, they need to pick up the pace. We will see if they do,or don’t.
Most of the action
won’t happen until next week at the winter meetings. Last year the Sox made their two biggest acquistions at the Winter Meetings. The biggest FA that has signed so far is Papelbon. No SP has signed yet, and probably won’t sign till CJ Wilson signs so they can use his contract to get a better deal.
by aubatron2011 on Nov 28, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions

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