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Ellsbury finishes 2nd. This is a good thing.

So, Ellsbury finishes 2nd in the MVP voting to Justin Verlander.  Actually, Verlander won pretty handily, considering a starting pitcher hasn't won in either league since 1986. 

Did Verlander deserve to win?  In my humble opinion, as a fan and student of the game, no.  A pitcher who pitches in 35 games per season cannot equal the value of a positional player who steps on the field for 140+ games.  Not to mention, pitchers already have their own awards, the Cy Young Award - an award given to the most valuable pitcher in each league.  Now, I understand that a discussion can be had for a pitcher giving such value to his club that he out-values positional players, but it would take an extraordinary season, something along the lines of 30-4 with an ERA under 2.00, a WHIP of .75, and 300+ Ks.  And, said pitcher would have to single-handedly elevate a below-average club to greatness.  I'm sorry, but Verlander's own teammate, its cleanup hitter and first baseman, finished fifth in the voting this year, so Verlander clearly didn't carry a talent-less team to the playoffs.  He pitched for a very good ball club.  In more than half of the games he won, his team put up greater than five runs.  Finally, and here's where my argument can be construed as homer-centric, if Pedro's 1999 and 2000 seasons were not worthy of the MVP Award, then Verlander's 2011 season certainly was not worthy.  Pedro's 1999 and 2000 campaigns were statistically better across the board, and he carried a lesser team on his shoulders.  The Sox's lineup included Jose Offerman, Darren Lewis, Mike Stanley, etc.  This past season, Verlander had Cabrera, Victor Martinez, Alex Avila, Jhonny Peralta, and his closer, Valverde, recorded a perfect season and finished fifth in Cy Young voting.  In 2000, Pedro had a sub-2.00 ERA and a ridiculous WHIP of .737.  So what, he finished with 18 wins.  I'm glad voters are moving away from wins and closer to what actually makes a pitcher, but unless they retroactively give Pedro the award for either 1999 or 2000, then Verlander doesn't measure up and doesn't deserve the award.

Did Ellsbury deserve to win?  In my humble opinion, as a fan and student of the game, yes.  Ellsbury had the greatest overall statistical contribution to a team in the AL during the past season.  He even stepped it up when the team was struggling toward the end, putting together a monster September.  Bautista's season didn't compare, considering he did it for a team that was generically mediocre, and he plateaued early on, turning in a weak second half.  In numerous ways, Granderson and Cano cancelled each other out.  Cabrera probably deserved more consideration, but in an odd turn of events, I think Verlander stole most of the attention away from him.

Now, why do I think it's a good thing that Ellsbury lost?  Two reasons:

1) Boras won't be able to say "MVP Award winner" during his negotiations for a contract.  Laugh, if you will, but just being able to say that would probably earn Ellsbury an extra $15 to $25 million on his contract total.

2) Knowing he came this close and lost to a pitcher (a rare occurrence, indeed), Ellsbury will come out next season and attempt to put together an even better all-around season.  Will he?  Who knows.  But if I were him, I'd have an unquenchable appetite now that I've been so close. 

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by gizmosandy on Nov 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Why sell?

Ells is the top player on this team, and the only outfielder we can rely on for an extended period of time. If Crawford was being Crawford, it’d be a non-issue, but as it stands, Ellsbury has the only quality bat in the outfield (until something happens with Crawford).

Also, we wouldn’t get enough back for him I feel. Realistically, yes, he’d have a high price, but being as close to free agency as he is will probably scare off most prospective buyers. In the end, I think it’s more reasonable to TRY to get a long term deal in place.

Only trade him if we are sure after everything we won’t have him back for an extended contract. And even then, only if we get a befitting haul worthy of an MVP calliber player.

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by outofleftfield on Nov 21, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you sell high because he won't have a season close to this ever again

career year

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by gizmosandy on Nov 21, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's sort of like if the A's traded Gio after 2010

He was coming off 2 bad years, and he had a good one. Then, he had a better one this year. I don’t want that to happen to us.

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by Conor Duffy on Nov 25, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

(I've been away and didn't see this till now, oops)

it was a career year, but the fact remains he’s the only proven commodity in the OF.

We have Crawford (who played like shit), Ells, and Reddick (inconsistent)/Kalish (coming back from a season long injury)

Even if we sign Beltran/Cuddyer/etc, they are not used to the Boston feel. I don’t know if I want to take a chance on Beltran given his injury history, or Cuddyer, who has never been a big player in any playoff race, having been with the Twins in a generally weak AL Central.

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by outofleftfield on Nov 30, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

We should probably hold off on signing big name FAs for a couple years

Let everything settle for a while. Sign a couple starters because lord knows we need them, put Doubie and the Ace in the bullpen as multiple inning 70’s style relievers, move Bard to the ninth inning if you absolutely must, and sign either Mike Gonzalez or George Sherrill to be our LOOGY ace.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep your best talent!!!! Try to actually win!!

Why sell high on an elite talent? What do the Sox need? A #4 or 5 starter, maybe just a 5 if they smartly keep Bedard? A RHB for the OF? A closer, other than Bard or Jenks? The FA market is full of Rodriguez, Nathan, Capps, Broxton, Bell, and a half dozen more. SS? Already given up on Iglesias, Lowrie, Tejeda and Bogaerts when most say they will have a good year? Trade for what? If media and bloggers are ready to replace Reddick/Kalish/Lin/Linares with Cuddyer or Beltran, who replaces our 30/30’MVP? IMO the Sox are in a great position to trust the kids and build a largely home grown team which can win it all. Dream come true for the FO and Sox fans. Keep the MVP

by GerryT on Nov 21, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Verlander plays for the Tigers

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by gizmosandy on Nov 21, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

idiot

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 21, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Unnecessary

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by Bloggy on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Annoyed

really? Yeah let’s go trade away one of our best players….

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 23, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

gee thanks a lot m

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by gizmosandy on Nov 23, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't say something that stupid then

it’s just ridiculous.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 23, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

no it isn't

he had a career year

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by gizmosandy on Nov 23, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it's completely unreasonable to think that

we could get reasonable value that would help us both in the coming year and the future. The only thing that would be worth trading him for would be an ace, and there is no one with an ace that would get more value out of two years of Ellsbury than out of an ace.

by wolf9309 on Nov 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why is it unfortunate?

If we can’t get equal value, that proves a great player. Why want to trade him?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 25, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

If you’re disagree with something, come up with a counter argument rather than throwing around insults. Petulant behaviour is for the WEII boards.

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by Bloggy on Nov 24, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

If we can get something equally awesome for him

why not?

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by Bloggy on Nov 24, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Name someone realistic

and I will listen.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 24, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Will you?

Thus far your “retorts” have consisted of little more than “idiot”, “stupid”, and “ridiculous”.

I’d consider shopping Ellsbury for Jared Weaver. Ellsbury’s speed would play right into Sciocia’s small-ball mentality. They get an elite speedster, we get an elite pitcher. Likely won’t go, but who knows until you try.

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by Bloggy on Nov 25, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ellsbury and small ball?

No, no, no. Did you not see that he hit 30 home runs this year? He can be a very special player, but for some reason you all won’t give him a chance. For Weaver? Hell yeah, I’d do it, but would Anaheim? They have a lot of out fielders and prospects and not as much pitchers.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 25, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. He hit 30 home runs

I’m sure Anaheim would like those, too. My “small-ball” point is that Ellsbury fits their baserunning/speed mentality in addition to the pop he discovered last year.

So, you’d trade Ellsbury for Weaver (in a perfect world). Whether Anaheim would or wouldn’t is up to them, but at least you’re admitting that moving Ellsbury if the situation fits isn’t as idiotic as you were first spewing.

I have never been down on Ellsbury. I like him as a player, always have, and like him on my team. However, I don’t feel that floating the idea of trading him while you can get maximum value for him is “idiotic”. It would have to be a really good trade, though.

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by Bloggy on Nov 25, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

but the Weaver for Ellsbury trade would NEVER happen.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 25, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Marisa may be more disagreeing with the idea

that “Sell high” basically means “we need to trade him now” Marisa isn’t saying not to listen to any offers for him, but the chances of finding someone that would trade us something that would make us a better team in both 2012 AND the future than having Ellsbury is so highly improbable.

by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

why not appreciate that we have a pretty damn good player?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 25, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I can undersand that opinion and respect it.

If it’s articulated that way. I don’t respect “Idiot”.

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by Bloggy on Nov 27, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

apart from the fact that he just signed a very nice extension with them

at under market value, one of the perks he got in exchange for taking a much smaller contract than he otherwise would have is a full no trade clause, because he doesn’t want to leave home.

by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I pulled his name out of a hat, more or less.

I didn’t know that he had signed a new contract (or if I knew, I forgot). The point is, it’s not entirely impossible that there is a team that could/would trade a really good pitcher for a really good position player.

I’m not against the concept, is all.

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by Bloggy on Nov 25, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize that,

but there’s not too many names that can be pulled out, and I don’t think any of them match up in practice. You just don’t see large market playoff contenders selling off stars after their best year because it is so nearly impossible to match up.

by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ellsbury > Weaver

Discuss.

*I agree with your comments about the insulting retorts, though I don’t believe that is Marisa’s style. She’s (I’m assuming, sorry) has always been friendly and professional.

by Wicklow on Nov 26, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

possibly

the thing is, obviously, if Ellsbury can repeat what he did this year on a yearly basis, he has more impact than Weaver could. Weaver, however, has been awesome for a couple of years and quite good for a couple before that, so I trust his track record more (though obviously there’s questions about his extreme flyball tendencies, were he to pitch at Fenway). In any case, after next year, Ellsbury will be a free agent and will either:
a) get a completely monstrous frightening contract or
b) not have performed anywhere near his 2011 levels OR
c) both

Weaver is signed to a quite team friendly extension for the next 5 years. So, given total risk, player value, and contracts, Weaver is almost certain to be a much better deal.

Of course all is moot since, as I said above, the only way he agreed to that very team friendly extension was if they’d include a no-trade clause, because he didn’t want to leave home.

by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

How about Kershaw?

Unlike the Angels, the Dodgers actually need help in the outfield, since they’re starting a left fielder in center, and a first baseman in right. They could use a good defensive center fielder so that they’re not starting Marcus Thames or Tony Gwynn Jr.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 26, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, I'd love that

But I gotta think Kershaw is much more valuable than Ells- plus, I feel like the Dodgers might not want to immediately move Kemp to left like a week after they gave him a stupidly large extension, whether he ought to or not.

by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Kershaw won't be traded by the Dodgers any time soon.

He’s young and affordable pitching. A team as cash strapped as the Dodgers would want to hold on to him for the forseeable future, because if they traded Kershaw they’d probably have to get into the CJ Wilson sweepstakes, which they probably can’t afford to. I’d love seeing Kershaw in a Sox uniform, but it’s not going to happen. Chad Billingsley, from the Dodgers may be available though.

by aubatron2011 on Nov 26, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Kershaw is a franchise pitcher though

for cheap, and the Dodgers have no money. I see him as untouchable.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 26, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody's untouchable

except maybe Buster Posey, Carlos Santana, and Evan Longoria. If the right package comes along for Kershaw, I think he’s gone. It would have to be a package that looks like what the Indians got for Bartolo Colon though.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

So,

Ellsbury, Buchholz, Bard? Yeah that is not happening.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 27, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see Buchholz pitch 200 innings

just once before I’d label him untouchable.

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by gizmosandy on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said he was untouchable

but would you do that package for Kershaw??

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 27, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying we should send them that package, just that Kershaw could be had if we really wanted him.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

If you can trade relief pitching for good starting pitching it should be done.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a reliever for a reason

he sucked as a starter in the minors.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I don't want him to be one

but there has been talk of it.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 27, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

stupid talk

thats about it

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by gizmosandy on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 27, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really think there's been any legit talk

other than reporters. I don’t think the Sox have given any indication that they have any interest in that. I especially doubt they do considering how much closers cost.

by wolf9309 on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What about it?

He’s had no success as a starter and I doubt he will. If they want to try to use it to jack up his value, fine with me, but he’s only a reliever now.

by Sologub on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm strongly against this.

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by Bloggy on Nov 27, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because it's floated, doesn't mean it's a good idea and everyone is jumping on it.

I have yet to run into anyone who thought Bard should start on the virtue that he will probably be a good starter. It’s mostly floated for depth purposes.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 27, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m listening, this sounds interesting.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 21, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Boras will skip right over #1 and say he was the most valuable position player.

And it’s Boras, so it’ll probably work. Seriously, he’s a Jedi. That’s the only reasonable explanation for the Werth contract.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 21, 2011 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

wonder how many Red Sox fans would trade

Crawford for Werth straight up right now

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by gizmosandy on Nov 21, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not this fan.

Crawford is too talented to have fallen off that sort of career cliff. He’ll come back, and at some point during the next few seasons put up a MVP-caliber season. I’ll say it here, on the record.

Werth was never worth his contract, or anything similar. And, he’s two years older than Crawford.

by Wicklow on Nov 22, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd listen

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by Bloggy on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of everything else

Werth is right handed, and can play right field.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 22, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Bloggy on Nov 23, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Werthless.

Werth is only werthwhile as a right-handed bat and right fielder if he’s being paid somewhere around $7 million per season, or less. Since he’s not being paid that, I (and the Sox) don’t care that he’s right-handed and plays right field.

Also, he’s old (for that money).

by Wicklow on Nov 26, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, since Crawford wasn't even worth that last year

and we have an unproven guy starting in Right field right now…

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 26, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

trade for Headley!

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by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

you showed me

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by gizmosandy on Nov 27, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And because

Ells, Reddick, Papi, Gonzo, Youk, PD, Scoot, Lowrie, Lava, Aviles all hit lefties well we would trade for a RHB? Why? Only CC and Salty have problems with lefties on the entire team. I would rather the Defense of CC, Ells, Reddick and their good bats, speed and combined contracts than just about any readily available OF combination.

by GerryT on Nov 23, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

CC's defense was decidedly average last year

and his bat was pretty awful.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 23, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

some people will choose to look at his career numbers and abilities

you will not. Understood. Understand that not everyone is as convinced as you that he will be his 2011 self for the rest of his contract. Not saying that you’re correct or incorrect, but just saying you don’t need to chime in with how awful he was every time someone mentions his name. We all know how awful he was.

by wolf9309 on Nov 23, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade for Chase Headley

Carl Crawford sucks

every single post.

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by gizmosandy on Nov 23, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't mentioned Headley in about two weeks now.

And yes Wolf, people can go ahead an look at his career numbers, but if they do, they should also know to look at his numbers in Fenway, which, throughout the course of his career have been pretty bad both offensively and defensively.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 23, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Many folks will be eating their words...

On Crawford. A player with that many talents, displayed over that many years, cannot all of a sudden forget how to play baseball. He’s due to ave a natural decline in speed, range, and general ability, but he is more likely than not to have a few bounce-back seasons from last year that will make us all happy he’s here.

I’m naturally a cynic. Lackey is done and should be forced into retirement. Pay him ALL his money, that’s fine. Just make him go away. But, Crawford will bounce back and, I’ll say it again, have a MVP-caliber season within the next few years (let’s range it as being Top-10 in the AL vote – you can never tell how those votes are going to go!).

by Wicklow on Nov 26, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Should he stay or should he go now?

Although I can appreciate the sentiment to keep Ellsbury, I must say that Ideas are just that – options and possibilities. I think this off season the Sox should explore, entertain and consider all options and possibilities on all trade-able players- thank God the FO has a process and a logic on assigning a player’s value. Any trade that strengthens the club and adds more depth is not stupid – it is a smart business practice… the idiocy would be to ignore or not explore the options.

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Nov 25, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

I'm always of the mentality that it's fine to listen on anyone

but really, I just don’t think there’s a package out there that would make sense for both the Sox and any other team.

by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

But, once in awhile blockbuster trades do happen that benefit two or more clubs. I am a big fan of Ells – always have – even when he misjudges a ball…but,, in today’s game players come and go – I would have traded Ortiz for the right player directly after Manny was traded…I don’t think Ells will be traded – but, I did not think Nomar or Hanley Ramirez would be traded either so – what do I really know.

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Nov 25, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like meme poster logic

PUTS UP 9+ WIN SEASON

TRADE HIM NAO

"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz

by L33to II on Nov 25, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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