Red Sox 2011 Community Projections: Carl Crawford In Our Dreams

by Ben Buchanan on Nov 18, 2011 1:39 PM EST in Community Projections

BALTIMORE, MD - SEPTEMBER 28: Carl Crawford #13 of the Boston Red Sox walks in the dugout with first base coach Ron Johnson #50 after a 4-3 loss against the Baltimore Orioles at Oriole Park at Camden Yards on September 28, 2011 in Baltimore, Maryland. (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

So...Carl Crawford.

There's no sugar coating it: Carl Crawford was a complete bust in his first year with the Red Sox. Coming from Tampa Bay as a star on offense with his speed and contact hitting as well as on defense, where he covered left field with all the skill of a center fielder, Carl Crawford made his way into Fenway Park and established himself not only as the worst regular bat in the lineup, but amazingly enough also one of the worst gloves.

You can say you didn't like the deal, or that you knew Crawford wasn't a fit for Fenway. But one thing's for damn sure: none of you can say you expected this.

And I've got the proof:

	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG
2011 - Carl Crawford	130	506	65	129	29	7	11	56	23	104	18	6	.255	.289	.405

Username	PA	RBI	HR	AVG	OBP	SLG	SB
Theartolater	625	95	25	.320	.365	.500	42
Mattsullivan	615	74	14	.304	.348	.430	35
Kraken613	655	100	20	.312	.355	.500	50
RSNexile	650	80	17	.310	.360	.470	45
Sologub	620	84	19	.308	.354	.505	40
Gizmosandy	645	90	21	.305	.359	.490	68
Sawxinpa	620	80	20	.306	.365	.470	49
Marisa Ingemi	760	97	14	.308	.354	.544	67
BoldandBrash	665	85	15	.304	.360	.488	50
PI1166	638	98	22	.318	.371	.510	62
Justin_Bobo	680	79	21	.331	.379	.505	44
Drabidea	630	75	15	.297	.360	.490	48
Zachary Kolodin	650	76	16	.310	.363	.472	42
Nuthinboutnuthin	630	20	91	.313	.354	.497	49
Remembering9ergods	640	98	23	.312	.372	.497	65
Gnick55	660	100	21	.313	.368	.488	40
Pedro Werneck	650	88	14	.301	.354	.485	51
Royredd87	648	76	22	.330	.352	.490	38
Rogue Nine	653	72	16	.308	.355	.480	53
NJ Native	660	81	20	.307	.350	.471	50
Dsharp	610	92	16	.301	.360	.492	48
Sean O	610	102	24	.302	.365	.522	38
Robersstolesecond	643	92	17	.324	.373	.490	42
Tarrsk	622	94	14	.300	.352	.465	45
Ganset	705	82	17	.293	.380	.479	45
BobZupcic	710	85	18	.302	.350	.490	39
ThePanda	620	80	15	.310	.350	.440	45
Superdaveyboy	630	80	16	.296	.348	.480	50
Schulz	650	85	18	.295	.345	.485	40
OzTiger	675	91	20	.311	.362	.508	39
Totheights	663	83	17	.302	.355	.478	48
Andyfeeney	586	72	21	.313	.371	.489	43
Magicbosox	666	80	20	.300	.350	.475	50
Boomtown87	598	88	19	.302	.360	.491	61
B_Edelman	680	102	21	.303	.354	.510	49
Redsoxfandave	690	79	22	.319	.386	.478	52
A-N-G-I-S	590	77	23	.294	.355	.485	39
Flasoxfan	657	78	11	.289	.347	.463	42
Jason A	630	95	17	.302	.355	.480	44
Brogshan	689	85	17	.307	.357	.471	54
The Laser Show	680	80	18	.305	.360	.475	50
Travben85	670	81	17	.302	.355	.475	45
mmmmm	640	89	17	.303	.358	.502	54
Greg Knopping	659	82	18	.307	.361	.488	57
upCHUCK	650	80	19	.301	.350	.495	50
Alfredo	690	102	16	.280	.368	.464	48
GerryT	661	100	21	.302	.361	.476	52
QW	658	94	26	.312	.364	.539	53
AlohaSox	650	95	22	.298	.352	.510	50
Steve Boyle	615	108	16	.307	.343	.445	45
Bigatrop	640	102	28	.325	.385	.500	52
Westcoastredsox	635	95	23	.319	.380	.525	45
Maineac	671	89	17	.317	.367	.482	36
Steadyeddy87	615	68	16	.309	.365	.455	52
Bheebs	610	73	19	.313	.389	.498	56
Mick Lowe	632	81	16	.299	.350	.460	44
Lord Duggan	640	85	15	.295	.360	.475	48
Tdaloisio	645	90	17	.315	.365	.465	47
Redsox604	620	88	19	.308	.370	.459	48
Ben Buchanan	650	95	18	.312	.365	.490	50
Birdhouse	613	84	18	.301	.356	.454	51
Dustin's #1 Fan	615	86	17	.287	.334	.420
Jgonzales19	669	85	21	.298	.372	.485	65

Well, there's that. Wouldn't it be nice if any of those had come true?

Clearly far-and-away the best is the Sox fan from Florida, but really, can anyone call themselves "winners" in a situation like this?

Better luck next year, Carl. For all of our sakes.

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So depressing

Only two commenters, Alfredo and Dustin’s #1 fan, projected his BATTING AVERAGE to be lower than his OBP ending up being.

by Jake_W on Nov 18, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions

So as not to escape the community projections

This was my own take back in December. Granted, he hit like that in the last two months, but not until after all of the ugh.

http://redsoxbeacon.com/2010/12/crawford-in-fenway/

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by Marc Normandin on Nov 18, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions

Wow...

My projection of 91 home runs was way, way off.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 18, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions

That'll teach ya to go out of order!

Especially only subtly like that.

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by Ben Buchanan on Nov 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

How can you have 91 home runs and 20 RBI?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 18, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions

Talent.

by Justin_Bobo on Nov 19, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions

And still the Sox

ranked at or near the top in all 832 offensive categories. With pretty much the same team returning, Carl’s bounceback would make the offense insanely deep. IMO he may need to go back to hitting second, which could move PD to 3rd, then Gonzo, Youk, Papi. No weakness, many complimentary strengths.

by GerryT on Nov 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions

I tend to believe that myself

But I also recall saying about this time last year that Lackey was due to bounce back, that it was exceedingly unlikely he’d be as far below expectations in 2011 as he had been in 2010.

So either Crawford will bounce back or, as Lackey did, he’ll put up one of the worst seasons in Red Sox history.

by RSNexile on Nov 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

of course Lackey was coming off of injury

and was already showing declining peripherals….Carl’s just came out of nowhere

by BobZupcic on Nov 18, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

He has to bounce back though.

Count me among those who believe his time in Fenway will look more like his 2008 than his 2010.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 18, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions

Did you mean 2011 or 2010?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

Lineup

Carl should not bat 2nd untill he proves that last year was a fluke. If he tears it up in ST,maybe.There should be no experimenting once the season begins. I would lead off with Scutaro and bat Youkilis 2nd,and here is why. Youk is ussually at the top in OBP for the team.. Scut gets on base, too. With Youk’s power declining,he would be more helpful getting on base in front of Gonzalez, Pedroia,Ellsbury,Beltran/Cuddyer(I hope) Ortiz, CC and the cather. This way, you have HR hitters through the middle of the line up,where they belong. Pedey might drive in 120 runs batting cleanup. Another way to improve LF would be to get a good RH hitter like Reed Johnson, or Andrue Jones to platoon with Carl. People would say you can’t platoon a guy making that much money. That should have nothing to do with it. He can’t hit left handers.

by Robert57 on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions

142 million dollar platoon player.

by TheLoneDavid on Nov 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions

Ha Ha

by Robert57 on Nov 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions

Where do Pedey and Ellsbury go?

Hitting them behind Youk deflates a big part of their value in their speed on the basepaths. Beyond the SB’s, these are the types of guys who could go 1st to 3rd on a single and they can’t do it with Youk in front of them.

Plus, they both had higher OBPs then Youkilis. It is a bad idea to look at a guy and say, “You should hit in this slot of the line-up because you hit more HR than this guy”. You’re not taking into account the other strength of the players. Plus, our line-up was unbelievable last year. It is fine, we are not losing anything substantial by having Ellsbury bat 1st instead of 3rd. Nothing. You are trying to shuffle around something that was never broken.

by The Name is Dalton on Nov 21, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions

Yup... after all our projected line ups last spring...

It ended up that this one made the most sense:

Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Gonzalez 1B
Youkilis 3B
Ortiz DH
Drew RF
Salty C
Crawford LF
Scutaro SS

Depending on the changes (Reddick/Kalish for Drew, signing Ortiz back for DH, moving Salty up in the line up to #6 as he’s developed), I think that’s the line up in 2012. $142 million for our #8 hitter.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Nov 21, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions

we'll have plenty of time to argue about this after our roster is developed.

but while Salty did a just fine job offensively, he certainly didn’t earn a trip to the number 6 spot in my book. for 6/7/8, I’d go Crawford, Salty, Reddickalish

by wolf9309 on Nov 21, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions

The clear winner in this situation is Tampa Bay

by RSNexile on Nov 18, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions

The winner is any team that doesn't have Crawford for 6 more years at $122 million.

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by Matthew Kory on Nov 18, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions

Perhaps this should be the Cubs' compensation for Theo

He bought Crawford and Lackey, he should pay off their contracts.

by RSNexile on Nov 18, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

or Jayson Werth

by BobZupcic on Nov 18, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions

I ran some numbers on the guesses above

Doing standard deviations for the predictions, it looks like Mattsullivan was the closest to being correct in that regard, unless you interpret that Dustin’s #1 Fan was predicting 0 stolen bases for the year, which was only slightly more inaccurate than the +17 difference of Mattsullivan’s guess. Only one person was even within 3 standard deviations of guessing batting average correctly.
(I also swapped around the guesses for nuthinboutnuthin on RBI and HR.)

by Fromalabama on Nov 18, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions

I am very proud of being the closest on this one by standard deviation

of course, how could I not be? The truly funny part is that I was 17 SB bases over and I distinctly remember thinking, “he won’t run as much with Boston,” on that account, I was right at least.

The more I think about it, the more I think Crawford was battling some unreported injury. He didn’t just struggle at the plate, he struggled everywhere. It is nearly impossible to find other players who go from near MVP caliber to replacement level in a single season without injuries or being an old player (35+). Crawford is also a guy who broke in to the ML very early (age 20, IIRC), those players are even more consistent in their peak seasons than the norm. I cannot possibly think that CC doesn’t rebound to being at least an above average player.

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by Mattsullivan on Nov 18, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions

If it is an injury, its an odd one.

I know his SLG drop probably makes everyone think that his ‘power’ dropped, but that’s not really a great indicator of what happened. His SLG is always going to get a boost from his legs (the triples) but if you look at his ‘power ratio’, which just considers the ratio of all extra base hits to hits, Carl ended up with 47 extra base hits out of just 129 hits. That’s a ratio of 36.4%. That’s actually a very solid ratio and an improvement over his 2010 ratio of 33.7%!

I think of the base three stats (BA/OBP/SLG), the BA drop really seemed to drive the poor results. He just couldn’t hit the ball frequently enough!

All his problems in 2011 fell in the ‘plate discipline’ category. His BA drop was killer, and his SO/PA ratio went up. Does he have eye-trouble?

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by mmmmm on Nov 19, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions

I should add, as noted elsewhere, that CC's season stats for 2011 are REALLY dragged down

by just the FIRST MONTH of the season. The rest of the season wasn’t great. But not awful. That first month was so horrific that it is kinda beyond words. Killed the entire season for his numbers.

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by mmmmm on Nov 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions

Funny how there is little mention of

the fact that Crawford’s BABIP was the lowest of his career outside of the injury shortened 2008. His 0.299 BABIP was 43 points lower than 2010. If you look at his BB% and K% you can also see that his K% is up and likewise his BB% is down which could be explain by him pressing after a rough start.

by BobZupcic on Nov 18, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions

Pitchers he faced

Don’t forget that he traded about 90 AB’s against Boston’s pitching, who he owned, to a similar amount against a vastly superior Tampa staff. Those 180 AB ’s may have had alot to do with his awful season. Because he was unable to use the monster to his advantage had alot to do with it,also.

by Robert57 on Nov 19, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions

meh, still think it has to do with a poor start and a bit of poor luck

His LD rate was 18.1%, actually higher than in 2010

by BobZupcic on Nov 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions

I agree. Its hard to overlook his monthly splits.

And as I note above, his big fall-off is in the ‘plate discipline’ area, not how well he hit the ball when he hit it (LD%, Power Ratio both were fine).

That definitely points to ‘pressing’.

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by mmmmm on Nov 19, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions

Hopefully, his 2012 is to his 2011 what Ellsbury's 2011 was to his 2010.

Of course, if the rumors of Ellsbury’s rehab leading to the increased power, perhaps we should send Carl to work out with Ells this offseason? Maybe Carl can teach Ells some route running while they’re working together.

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by AlohaSox on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

I think less rumors than blind speculation though

by wolf9309 on Nov 21, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions

yikes

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by Bloggy on Nov 18, 2011 7:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Britton, Lin and Middelbrooks

to the 40-man

think that puts the 40-man at 38

by BobZupcic on Nov 18, 2011 9:08 PM EST reply actions

the amusing part of this is that so many of his vocal bashers during the season

predicted he would have a very strong season.

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by gizmosandy on Nov 18, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions

the higher the expectations

the bigger the disappointment or something, right?

I still have faith he’ll do well next year. It may be blind optimistic faith, but I have it!

by wolf9309 on Nov 18, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions

barring injury there are numbers to back you p

by BobZupcic on Nov 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions

*up

by BobZupcic on Nov 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions

I usually just toss in career averages.

And like many of us have said all season, even in our more exact calculations, no one expected him to be this bad. If I knew he was mentally weak I probably would have lowered my guess below his rough career averages.

To add, how far off were your guesses mighty supporter of Crawford?

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 19, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions

"mentally weak" ????????

Where did THAT come from?

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by mmmmm on Nov 19, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions

What other reason could there be?

He went from being an extraordinary player in Tampa, to being crud at his worst and mediocre at his best. Adrian stepped right in and did his business. We had a lot of players struggle to start the year, but they eventually turned it on for the rest of the year. Crawford never got there. He had a couple months where he was better relatively to what he was doing, but even then his numbers were decently below what most people expected of him to average for the season. They just looked better compared to the 0s he tossed up the first month.

I really struggle to find a reason for how bad of a season he put together other then that he fell behind early and lacked the mental toughness to work through it and get back in the groove.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 19, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

Rogue is right on this one

guy turned into a pastry once he got to Boston

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by gizmosandy on Nov 19, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions

Ah right.

A guy slumps for a month (April, .434 OPS) and because he fails to turn on the jets after that he must be ‘mentally weak’.

He was ‘mentally strong enough’ to immediately post a pretty decent May (.810 OPS). So his horrific April apparently didn’t completely ‘mentally crush’ him.

The fact is, that for 4 of the 5 months after April he posted an above average OPS+. He had a sub-par July (injury), but it wasn’t anywhere near the complete disaster that April was.

CC’s overall season numbers were completely, completely crushed by his Mar/April numbers. It was not just a ‘struggle to start the year’. It was a bad start of ridiculous proportions. Players normally do NOT come back from such a start because most players who post a 22 sOPS+ for Mar/April get cut!

Crawford wasn’t going to get cut. He was the big money FA signing. And he knew that. Do ya think he just MIGHT have put more pressure on himself than the average joe who slumps to start the season?

“Mentally weak” ?? Sheesh. Who knows? Are you mentally tough enough to play in that arena?

I’m not going to excuse CC overall. He posted a suck season. But tossing out trite aspersions of “mentally weak”?

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by mmmmm on Nov 19, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions

Even when he was good, he wasn't the Crawford we were expecting.

May was as close as he got and even then it would be on the lower end of an average Crawford month in Tampa at 126, 112 OPS+ would have been a below average month for him. They only look good because they’re sitting next to 22’s and 69s. If he had posted 110s every single month I’d still be on him, that simply is not the Crawford we were supposed to be getting.

I don’t pretend to be mentally tough enough to play baseball, but I know that when one guy goes from being about 8 WAR to being closer to 0 than 1 (and that’s being nice by taking the fangraphs value) it doesn’t say anything good about his mentality. If he pressed too hard, yes, that is indeed a problem, if he doesn’t have an ability to cool off and relieve the pressure he places on himself, it’s going to be a problem.

What happened to him wasn’t random fluctuation, I’d have to believe that no player has ever lost 7 WAR season to season before without there being some big circumstance (major season ending injury, retirement etc) there was some reason for why he performed so badly, he put to much pressure on himself, he pressed too hard, he got complacent with a paycheck, he had some major undisclosed injury (unlikely since it should have been his first defense), Boston intimidated him. It was something, I can’t fathom which one of those listed or unlisted it was, but I really don’t think any of them speak to how strong mentally he is.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions

I think trying to assess the 'mental strength' of someone you don't even remotely know in the slightest is a fool's game.now

Arguing over what goes on in the minds of these guys is a useless conversation.

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by mmmmm on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

It doesn’t take knowing him to see that if he wasn’t hiding an injury all year, he failed to get himself into his mental “happy place” where he could finally sustain his performance at Crawfordinian levels.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 20, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions

maybe mmmmm

is his cousin

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by gizmosandy on Nov 20, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

if i were

then I would have a wealthy cousin.

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by mmmmm on Nov 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions

that makes for a nice, easy and portable diagnosis we can now go and use everywhere.

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by mmmmm on Nov 21, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions

The alternative diagnosis is that

He was injured all year and never disclosed it (which I don’t think he’d do, if you have THAT season and are injured, you let people know why you sucked) or he is now at best just a little better than league average, Fenway exposing some flaw in his game that Tampa’s stadium exposed, maybe it’s the breeze contributed by actual fans in the stadium, who knows.

But why can’t it be that he psyched himself out? And why can’t that be a sign of mental weakness? He had all season to overcome that slow start but he didn’t. It seems like the most reasonable diagnosis to me. 2011 was by no means a sign of mental strength.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 21, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

it is impossible to know what was going on inside his head.

But chronologically, in the month after his horrible start, he did perform back up to his ‘norms’. And then he got injured. And then he performed sorta league average. Not to his norms. But not the awful mess of the first month.

Isn’t it just as likely that his injury continued to affect him more than we assumed? Why do you assume he would disclose that – what he has too much pride (a psychological ‘fault’, I know) and didn’t want folks to think he was using injury as an excuse? Or maybe the injury was not obvious enough for him to acknowledge consciously but was nevertheless enough to drag down his results?

I can think of lots of stories that fit the data long before I have to resort to insulting someone’s ‘mental strength’.

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by mmmmm on Nov 21, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

and let me clarify.

I’m not calling him stupid, I’m saying he was unable to shrug off the pressure he felt, whether he was the one putting that pressure on himself or not.

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by Rogue Nine on Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions

I was way, way off

I think we all were.

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by gizmosandy on Nov 19, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions

Bill James Projection for 2012

0.286/0.333/0.436, 15 HR, 73 RBI, 34 SB

by BobZupcic on Nov 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions

/killself

by Sean O on Nov 19, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

Bill James Projection for 2011

311/360/472/832 14 HR, 42 SB

So, whatever.

by wolf9309 on Nov 20, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions

Well, let's hope he's not overestimating Carl's 2012 production by that much...

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Nov 21, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions

Okay... where are the rest of these?

Seriously… I need more. I cannot believe I’ve only got one yellow on the three that have been posted so far (or did I miss some?)… So ugly… maybe I did better with Pedey? Ellsbury?? Lester???

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Nov 21, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions