Saved for the Save: Papelbon and reliever usage
With Jonathan Papelbon leaving
There is no question about Papelbon’s ability. He is an elite pitcher perfectly suited to late inning, high leverage work. The major point of contention is how he is used and how much value he can contribute in that role. A pitcher who is only used in save situations will pitch a very limited number of innings over the season, approximately 55-60 innings, maximum. No pitcher has been used quite that conservatively, since nearly all managers will also use their closer in the top of the ninth at home in tie games and at some point in extra innings. However, there has been a distinct movement toward save-oriented usage in recent years and surprisingly; the Boston Red Sox have been right at the front of that movement. For a team known for their progressive approach,
This chart shows the 15 players with the lowest ratio of relief innings per save*. The trend is pretty clear. The players with the lowest averages are all either active or recently retired players. Aside from Trevor Hoffman, no relief pitcher in history has been used in closer accordance with the perimeters of the save than Jonathan Papelbon. A few players such as Eric Gagne and Billy Wagner have been used even more exclusively for the save situation than these raw numbers show since they have also spent significant time in setup roles but the overall point stands: Paps has been used for saves and little else. As such, he has thrown a very low number of total innings, capping his value.
Jonathan Papelbon’s prominence among the most "Saved for the Save" players could have a number of possible explanations. It is possible that
Historically speaking, this usage has not been the norm for top relievers. The five Hall of Fame relievers average almost two and a half more innings per save than the group above. Dennis Eckersley has the lowest number of any of the hall of fame relievers with only 2.37 relief innings per save. After his days starting, he was used almost entirely in the same way as the group above. The other Hall of Fame relievers are all over 3 relief innings per save. This seems to argue against the health perspective as
With Tito, Theo, and Papelbon all residing elsewhere, 2012 might be a turning point for
The departure of Papelbon goes beyond the question of who will close for
* Players who pitched significant innings as starters are omitted here. Of those, only Dennis Eckersley would make the chart above, with an estimated 2.37 relief innings per save by my calculations, ranking him just below John Wetteland.
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the save stat is wack period
love watching managers who let their second or third best bullpen arm throw to the 2-3-4-5 hitters saving their best pitcher for the next inning and bottom of the order guys just so the guy can get a save
IIRC after suffering the shoulder subluxation, strict rules were implemented regarding how often Papelbon could pitch
He never received any surgical treatment, just the textbook “rest and rehab” routine. If I had to guess it was put into a 20 page medical report, which was condensed to one page for Theo, who condensed it to two sentences for Francona. “Don’t let him pitch more than 2 times and x number pitches every 3 days”. The only other closer I can think of that has been handled more delicately than Papelbon is Rivera and that is due to the obvious caution needed with a 43 year old, or however old he is.
Ozzie Guillen had Bobby Jenks closing both games of casual doubleheaders, pitching 3 days in a row, etc. If you remember that dramatic game against Detroit at Fenway last season where Ortiz hit the grand slam off Valverde, Valverde threw something like 60 pitches. If Papelbon threw even 45 pitches in a game Francona would get waterboarded afterwards.
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Paps threw what 3 innings in that late series extra inning game vs MFY
unless I am remembering wrong, thats the longest I had ever seen him go in a game.
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I think the classic closer role is overvalued
Of course and except for those situations in which it is warranted… ;)
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In general I agree with the progressive take
but with a couple of caveates:
1) Psychology. I think there is something to be said about players being comfortable in their roles and the best managers play to that. Thus the point of the ‘closer’ role is partially a psychological thing.
2) In regards to the ‘high-leverage situation’ thing – folks should not use this phrase to dismiss the importance of the 9th inning. The fact is, in game-value, the final three outs in the bottom of the ninth are different from any other three outs in the game. This is easily illustrated by the fact that if you give up a lead in any other point in the game, your win probability, though reduced, is still above zero. If you give up a lead in the bottom of the ninth, it is immediately zeroed out.
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Yes, the ninth inning is typically a high leverage situation
because as you say those three outs reduce win% to 0 or raise to 100. The problem with the closer role is not having your best RP pitching the ninth inning, it is having him ONLY pitch the ninth inning (especially if its only the 9th when the team leads by three runs or more or a tie at home, etc).
Really it is a waste to pitch the top reliever to get the last three outs in a game where you lead by three runs, that is a pretty secure lead. It is also a waste to leave that pitcher on the bench just because you trail by one run, particularly if you have an offense that scores lots of runs. Keeping a game close is a valuable use of an RP and because of the save statistic it gets overlooked and often the best pitchers don get into the closest games.
Mostly though, it just a matter of innings pitched. Used in the modern understanding of the closer, you’re best RP is usually limited to less than 70 innings. Paps pitched the third most innings in the bullpen despite being the best pitcher there. Ace pitched the most innings topping 90. If you get 30% more Papelbon you are going to be a better team.
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by Mattsullivan on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that completely.
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It's about personnel
The Red Sox did well to use Papelbon the way that they did because that’s the best way to use him, physically and psychologically, and when his performance is optimized he is especially valuable — despite one’s abstract philosophy of how to use relievers.
Additionally, in the last few years the team’s possession of a second, more flexible relief ace in Daniel Bard has granted the team the freedom to use Papelbon more exclusively as a conventional closer.
I, like you, would like to see the save-based economy of relief pitching blown up and re-imagined, and I hope the Red Sox use this opportunity to do so. But I have no serious complaint that Papelbon was used for who he is for as long as his contractual situation made it prudent — especially when the team had another relief ace, Daniel Bard, to use in other ways. It is not at all surprising that a progressive team did this, as you say.
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I agree with your article and think you did a great job by the way. I think in order to go in the “new” relief pitcher direction the manager has to be on board. If the manager isn’t on board then there is no point and you might as well get the “old” style personnel in the bullpen.

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