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Replacing Papelbon

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Jonathan Papelbon is no longer a Red Sock. After seven stellar seasons, the closer has left the Old Town for Philadelphia where he joins an incredible pitching staff and replaces a very similar player in Ryan Madson. Boston may now scoop up Madson or the Padres stopper Health Bell as Papelbon’s replacement or else move Daniel Bard to the ninth inning.

Regardless of the solution, replacing Papelbon will be missed. Since Paps became Boston’s closer in 2006, he has been the most valuable reliever in baseball (fWAR 14.7), edging out the legendary Mariano Rivera (fWAR 13.9) and leaving everyone else in the dust. He has the best FIP of any reliever in that time as well and his 395 innings ranks 11th among all relievers, 4th among those who would still be considered closers. In 2011, Paps had what be finest season ever. His 1.53 FIP was a career best, barely trailing Craig Kimbrel’s 1.52 mark. What will it take to replace this elite level of production?

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The replacement level for any bullpen pitcher is a more complicated issue than for position players or starters. The recognized bullpen roles of closer, setup man, LOOGY, ROOGY, and long reliever or swing man are not positions in and of themselves. Lose a closer to injury mid-season and typically they are replaced by the setup man, while the next best arm in the pen takes on the eight inning duties and so on, down the line. To further complicate things, top pitching prospects often see time in the major league bullpen to gain valuable experience and limit their innings at a young age.

If that isn’t enough, there is the wild volatility that comes with relievers. Papelbon himself has had some wild fluctuations of late, with his FIP reaching an all-time high of 3.51 just last year and then dropping just as dramatically. A relief pitcher’s season typically consists of just one third the innings of a starter and they pitch in a wildly irregular pattern. All of this means that predicting future performance and narrowing down what it will take to replace any reliever is perilous.

Nonetheless, with Papelbon out of the picture, Boston will need some pitching help next year. They will, at very least, need to find an extra 65-70 innings, Papelbon’s typical workload. Were Bard to move to the closer role, then that total would go up as, Bard has pitched more innings in his current role than he would closing assuming the role remains the same with the new manager. Promoting Bard would mean an additional ten relief innings.

The 2011 Red Sox featured very good bullpen. The pen held a 3.67 ERA overall, fourth best in the AL. Thanks to a starting staff that struggled to fill innings, they also pitched the second highest innings total in the league, 517.1 innings. The average AL bullpen only pitched 466 innings and the two top rotations, Tampa Bay and Los Angeles, needed only 391 and 422 innings from their pens, respectively. Boston was forced to give an extra 50-100 innings to their bullpen as a result of the starting rotation’s shortcomings.

Those one extra innings took their toll. As good as Boston’s bullpen was, it still gave 60 innings to players at or below replacement level and 40 more innings to player who contributed just .1 fWAR. Had the rotation managed to pull its wait, the bullpen would have had far less need for its least effective pitchers. Papelbon’s role would not be effected much, however. This improvement would have been from the bottom up.

Signing a single player to replace Papelbon presents a problem. Paps has a better track record than any other available closer. However, Boston has ample opportunity to replace Papelbon’s production in the aggregate. The Sox returns their second and third best relievers, Bard and versatile long man Alfredo Aceves.  Ex-closer Bobby Jenks struggled with injuries last season, but had been worth 1.5 fWAR in 2010. Jenks is the perfect example of the volatile nature of relievers having produced over 1.5 fWAR three times in the past six years and less than .5 fWAR twice. Should Jenks be able to return to even just the  1 win level, Boston be nearly half way to filling the void.

The remaining 1-1.5 wins Boston would likely get from Paps could easily be made up in those one hundred innings starters failed to cover in 2011. Relief pitchers are rarely able to top 1.5 wins in such a limited role. In 2011 only 17 relievers managed the feet. Starters, however, produced 85 pitchers over 1.5 wins. Boston had three starters above that mark despite a below average rotation.  Replacing Tim Wakefield’s .8 fWAR from 2011 with a full season of Erik Bedard, who produced 2.4 fWAR would cover the remaining gap. Simply returning the starting rotation to an above average level would cover Papelbon’s production.

The Red Sox will be looking to acquire at least two starters this off-season and this is there best chance to replace Papelbon’s production. The 2011 bullpen produced 7.7 fWAR, the best in baseball. The starting pitching was less impressive with just 12.6 fWAR. In total the staff managed 20.3, Papelbon contributing 3 wins on his own. Of the six teams that topped Boston’s 20.3 wins from pitching, everyone received more production from the starters. Three of those teams featured below average bullpens. In fact Papelbon’s new home, Philadelphia can count on an improved bullpen with the additional of Papelbon alone, as he easily projects to surpass their 1.7 fWAR 2011 bullpen total.

Jonathan Papelbon is an excellent pitcher and he will not be easy to replace. However, he is still a relief pitcher and as such, his value is unlikely to ever exceed its 2011 level. Boston will miss his intense gaze, his blazing fastball and his river dancing. If Cherington and company can address their biggest weakness, the starting pitching, they may not miss his production at all. 

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I sure am going to miss

hearing “I’m Shipping Up To Boston” every time Paps came out that bullpen door. Gave everyone huge rush.

by JordanS on Nov 12, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Replacing Pap

Nice analysis; Cherington probably based his decision on Pap on one like it. Has anyone published an analysis of whether changing pitchers consistently at the start of the 8th and 9th innings really works out better on average than basing the decision on how the current pitcher has performed and how many pitches they’ve thrown?

by AndyP on Nov 12, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Aside from Bill James' piece on relief usage

which appears in the Historical Baseball Abstract, I have not seen anything really seminal on relief usage patterns that comes to mind. I am sure some great work has been done in the area, though as it is such an important topic. James’ piece is amazing, using computer simulations to examine all the ways relief pitching has been used historically to see which provides the greatest increase in wins. I don’t know of anything that looks at the eight to ninth issue directly. It is an interesting topic though, I can never understand why a reliever who comes in in the eighth and blows away two or three hitters without throwing a lot of pitches gets pulled so the closer can go in for the ninth. You take out starters who are throwing great and not raking up lots of pitches, why do it to relievers?

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by Mattsullivan on Nov 12, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen

We need a return to the days of Goose Gossage.

by BobZupcic on Nov 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it needs to be that extreme

we just need a couple relievers who can go 2-3 innings instead of seven who only go 1 or less.

We’ve had that recently in Ace and Atchison, we just haven’t used them to their potential.

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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Because of usage

teams want to be able to use relief pitchers 2 or even 3 days in a row if necessary, that’s why they take a reliever out after an inning or less.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 14, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really sad about this.

Papelbon was one of my most beloved Sox. The way he stares in like a serial killer, the way he loves high leverage spots, and his dominating stuff… plus the fact he was a homegrown Sock. I’m really going to miss him. ;(

by revived0103 on Nov 12, 2011 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

Will miss Paps but....

Never can fully respect someone who only plays for money. I know baseball is a business and guys want to get paid but to base decisions on money alone disturbs me. And of course I live in the Philly market so I’m dreading work on Monday. My dad already asked me if I was having a bad day with the Paps signing (in Philly). This is why I have utmost respect/man love for a guy like Pedey. He’s here because he wants to be, and gave a hometown discount on top of it. I love Paps as a Sox but just don’t want someone who is only here for a paycheck. Thanks for the memories Paps, too bad there isn’t a song called “Shipping up to Philly”.

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by Fenway302 on Nov 12, 2011 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

You're in for disappointment when Pedroia's current contract expires

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by L33to II on Nov 13, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

deals like the one Pedroia signed

were because he wanted security at the time. He’d struggled when he first came up and knew that deal, cheap as it is, would have him set for life. He didn’t take a ridiculously cheap deal just to be nice to Boston. You really can’t hold taking that absurd amount of money against Papelbon.

by wolf9309 on Nov 13, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Replacing Papelbon

will be very, very tough. One of the things about Papelbon that made him so damn good was his ridiculous high SwStr% – his ability to simply blow it by people. Year after year his SwStr% was way better than anybody else on our staff. As it stands, Lester is the only guy we have who’s even close to Paps in that regard.

All that said, I totally agree that the best way to try to replace Papelbon’s value is elsewhere – preferably in the starting pitching.

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by mmmmm on Nov 12, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Paps is an elite reliever, no question. He gets swings and misses at crazy rates, and it made him exciting to watch.

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by Mattsullivan on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yet at the end of the day

the best closers in baseball are worth (at least based by a wins analysis) about as much as a solid 4th or 5th starter or an average everyday player

by BobZupcic on Nov 13, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not sign K-Rod or Broxton/Nathan/someone else to a 1-2 year deal, then use Bard after that deal expires?

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by Brandon C. on Nov 12, 2011 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

I have watched him, and it is scary to watch, but he usually does get the job done.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 13, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's one of those situations

The knee-jerk response is “because Bard is a better pitcher, and cheaper.” But closers don’t pitch in the highest leverage situations, usually, so leaving Bard in the 8th inning does make some sense. K-Rod would be too expensive, though, and Broxton is probably too damaged to immediately assume 9th inning roles. Even Nathan is a little questionable.

So I’m not sure what they’ll do. I’d like to see Madson, and I’d even give him 3 years, but I’m afraid his salary will be way too high for a reliever, especially in light of this Papelbon deal.

by Sologub on Nov 13, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t even get how Madson went from a set up man to an overpaid closer within about a half a year. I think whichever team gets him will overpay him.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 13, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

For me personally, I think K-Rod would be the worst choice they could possibly make. He is somewhat of a head case and will likely not be dirt cheap enough to make it worth putting up with.

I get that the Brewers didn’t use him to finish games because of his contract stipulation to avoid the option becoming automatic…and that pissed him off. So he ran his mouth in the media about it instead of keeping it in-house. It developed into a “they told me I was going to get enough closing opportunities” thing, and he made it into even more of an issue when the team was in a playoff race.

To be quite frank, he should’ve known better. I seriously doubt they came to him and said, "we’ll get you enough games to finish so that we have to pay you $17.5 million (or whatever it was) next year, even though we have this excellent if less experienced closer that is making under a $1 million. Come on. Boras saying, “He’s not going somewhere to be a set-up man” is his usual media bulls#@ and if Rodriguez swallowed that I don’t know what to say. Noone in baseball believed that another team would trade for him to be a closer.

I want nothing to do with him, and he would drop right down with Lackey as my second least favorite player on the team. I would rather go with Broxton or Nathan and be half as confident that they will work out.

by The Name is Dalton on Nov 14, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

But....

he did do a good job as a setup man. Unlike most closers, he can do both.He is still a good pitcher. I wouldn’t mind having him setup for Madson or Cordova,at a reasonable price while either pushing Bard back or trading him while he still has some value.

by Robert57 on Nov 14, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

To each his own

I can’t imagine why anyone would want to trade Bard and sign someone like Francisco Rodriguez. Regardless of Bard having trade value. I really can’t. But then again, you think Bard as closer would be “unbearable to watch” for some reason, but would somehow enjoy watching a bitchy, malcontent who choked out his father in-law in the clubhouse. Sounds exactly like the type of guy we need in the clubhouse.

And what is a reasonable price? He had a $3.5 million BUYOUT last year because they didn’t want his $17.5 million option to vest. He will likely be looking to close. So either you bring him in as a closer, or you deal with him spouting off in the media all pissed off. And that was with the Milwaukee media, let alone Boston.

by The Name is Dalton on Nov 14, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And sure

There is no guarantee he will be a head case. But there are only so many roster spots to go around and gambling one on Rodriguez keeping it together is just a big risk to me when in all likelihood he will NOT be cheap.

He has been a good pitcher, that is for sure.

by The Name is Dalton on Nov 14, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign someone like Broxton

Keep Bard in high leverage situations to start the year and give Broxton the “easy saves” to get going

Best case scenario: Broxton becomes lights out again and you’ve got 8/9th covered

Worst case scenario: Broxton is Eric Gagne (after his prime years), you lose a bit of money on the risk and you then move Bard into the closers role in high-leverage situations.

by BobZupcic on Nov 13, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Please Bob neve rinvoke the G word and/or comparison again I implore you in the name of all that is sacred

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by Dave D on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Next year

Bobby Jenks is not an example of the volatility of RP’s. Jenks has been on a downward slide since ‘08,and was a terribble signing, with so many better relievers available last year. You should not count on him to bounce back. That one belongs to Theo,for either underrating the importance of a good pen,or waiting to long, as others were being snapped up. What was Cherington doing while RP’s like Downs,Crain, and Balfour were being signed. Aceves was a great pickup , but languised in Pawtucket until mid May,while the front office genuises were bringing Tim Wakefield north.. That, all alone, cost the Sox a PS appearance. The same thing with Hill, who wasted alot of pitches in AAA, instead of with the Sox. If Bard is your closer, you may as well cancel your NESN subscription now. It would be unbearable to watch. Aceves could do the job, but that would open up another hole in the pen. Fortunatly,if they can not run out a good starting four, they can always build from the back end,with Bettencourt, Ayala, Oliver,K-Rod, and Madson availble.Since they let Pap walk, they should sign Madson and Cordero/K-Rod as the setup guy and closer. Then, Aceves can stay in the middle, where he is most effective.Then you would add Oliver and or Ayala/Bettencourt along with Bard and Morales. These are all good pitchers that come alot cheaper then a frontline starter. Why not use the 25th roster spot for another good RP? But, they won’t. BTW, who of you out there would trade Gonzalez and Crawford, even up, for Beltre and Martinez?

by Robert57 on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

"Jenks has been on a downward slide since ‘08"

that is not an accurate statement. While his 2010 ERA was not great, he was very unlucky. He was still an effective pitcher that season based on his peripherals and that is reflected in his 1.5 fWAR for that year. That isn’t the same as the 2 wins he had been putting up, but it is still a pretty high number for an RP and not at all in the range of his 2009 or 2011 disasters. That is volatility to me not a strict decline. I can’t say as I count on him to bounce back, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was healthy and managed a win or more in 2012.

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by Mattsullivan on Nov 14, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I would trade CC for Beltre

And move Youk to DH and let Papi go, or sign Papi and move Youk for pitching.

I would not trade Gonzalez for V-Mart. Martinez mostly played DH this year so I’m not sure he would be able to provide near enough value as Gonzalez. I like Victor, but not sure how he would fit in with the overall scheme of things.

by The Name is Dalton on Nov 14, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that.

Trading Gonzo for V-Mart would not be a smart move because whether or not they sign Papi, they still have Youk who could DH.

by aubatron2011 on Nov 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think taking it piece by piece destroys the point of the exercise

asking just “would you trade CC for Beltre” maybe be similar to asking “Would you trade Vernon Wells for Mike Napoli”

by wolf9309 on Nov 14, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But there isn’t much point (if any) to that “exercise” as it was, if any to be honest. It was one sentence on swapping our decision on two position players for two other position players…at the end of a rather lengthy post where literally every other sentence is about pitching.

by The Name is Dalton on Nov 15, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

well I think the point he was trying to make

was that we should’ve retained Beltre and Martinez rather than acquiring Gonzalez and Crawford. Make of it what you will. I’m not saying I’m agreeing, and I’ll tell you I certainly wouldn’t have agreed a year ago.

by wolf9309 on Nov 16, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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