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Henry Preparing Red Sox Fans For Theo-less Future?

President/CEO Larry Lucchino Principal Owner John Henry and Chairman Tom Werner of the Boston Red Sox talk with the media during a Spring Training Workout Session at the Red Sox Player Development Complex in Fort Myers Florida.  (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

John Henry and Larry Luchinno were on NESN/WEEI this morning, discussing the recent happenings of the Red Sox -- namely, Terry Francona's departure, September, and the future of Theo Epstein in Boston or Chicago. Well, the message on the latter was that they don't comment on clubs asking for permission to speak to their employees, but in what little was uttered, a whole lot was said.

"There is a certain protocol in this game. If someone asked permission for a job that's not lateral, you give them permission. That's just the way it works."

While not explicitly said, you can be forgiven for inferring that this means the Cubs would be giving Epstein a promotion in addition to the general manager job. Currently, Epstein is the "Executive Vice President" as well as the general manager for the Red Sox, so coming up with something spiffier than that would have to be a priority for Chicago -- and is certainly doable, given their recent turnover in the front office.

There's a certain shelf life within these jobs. If you're sane, you can only be the general manager for a certain amount of time.... Theo is not going to be the general manager forever."    

This is a true statement, and, as Henry also said, sounds similar to what Francona mentioned about being the manager. As we discussed both on the podcast and earlier in the week, Epstein has been in Boston for nearly nine years now, and has been highly successful -- were he to want a fresh start elsewhere, and in a place where his legacy could be solidified in baseball history were he as successful there as he was in Boston, who could blame him?

The whole segment made it sound like, even if it's no guarantee that Epstein will be gone, that we should all be prepared for a future where he is in Chicago, and not in Boston. I've come to grips that the most successful GM in Boston's history might not be a part of the organization next year -- even if I don't like the idea -- but that's mostly because the base he built, as well as a, by all accounts, worthwhile successor (assuming they keep things in-house), will still be around. We'll have to wait and see how things play out, but it sounds like Henry is trying to cushion a potential blow.

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Oh Sports Jesus,

I know I’m asking a lot from you after the elimination of the Rays and Yankees, but if you can somehow convert Theo Epstein into Starlin Castro, I promise I will worship your name at your cathedral (Fenway) regularly.

by Sean O on Oct 7, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Thoughts on any deal like that

Theo will essentially be trading for himself were this to happen. I doubt he would be giving away the most important young player on the roster to do it.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figure it would still need to be OK'd by the interim GM, Ben

They’ll have to work out a fair compensation. And if the Cubs are serious, we should be too.

by Sean O on Oct 7, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh God Yes.

Because he was a goldmine in my fantasy draft this year. And to see him on the Red Sox, well that’ll mean all we need is a healthy Youk (or maybe a new 3B) and our infield is golden.

Pipedream of course…

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 7, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is "Sports Jesus"

anything like “Sport Goofy”? Cuz I use ta love that guy.

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by Bloggy on Oct 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it is somewhat bittersweet that both of them made first round exits.

On the one hand, I am so happy to see them out… on the other, it does feel like the AL East beat all of our squads up too much to get in?

by AlohaSox on Oct 7, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Ben Cherrington

Remember when Theo was essentially gone a several years back? Were Jed Hoyer and him co-general managers essentially? And if so, didn’t they both really “screw the pooch” in a specific deal they made (either a signing or trade, I don’t remember)?

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 7, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends on who you ask

Some are less kind to the deal giving away once of the top players in baseball.

by Sean O on Oct 7, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, this deal continues to give me nightmares...

… not because of what we got, but because I believe the Marlins would have given them both away without getting Hanley in return.

by AlohaSox on Oct 7, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he is, and I am assume he is,

then I don’t know how we screwed the pooch on that? Yea it sucks to not have Hanley but Beckett and Lowell did help us win a World Series. So you can’t exactly say it was a failure.

by dja9783 on Oct 7, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Marlins were giving Lowell away...

… yes, we had to give them something for Beckett, but since we were taking on Lowell’s contract, it probably didn’t need to be Hanley.

The logic given at the time was that Hanley was “blocked” at SS due to the recent long term deal we’d given to… yup… Edgar Renteria… who was traded shortly thereafter.

This is why it was a “screw the pooch” deal… the front office saw Hanley as blocked by a player we practically gave to the Braves shortly thereafter.

by AlohaSox on Oct 7, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in my mind.

Sometimes trades work out for multiple teams. The Arizona-NYY-Detroit being a good example.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 7, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sounds like tempering expectations if I have ever heard it

I get the feeling that Theo is very interested in the Cubs position from Henry’s comments. If he leaves, Cherrington is almost certainly the guy now that Hoyer is gone.

I am very fine with the Hanley/Sanchez for Beckett and Lowell trade, FWIW. That trade led to the 2007 WS and a very real chance to repeat in 08. On the other side Hanley has been great, but he has also been a bad teammate and a headcase. Sanchez took 4 years to evolve in to an above average pitcher in the NL East. Back then we needed Beckett and Lowell was a good fit as well. That trade wasn’t made for the 2011 season and shouldn’t be judge by 2011 standards.

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by Mattsullivan on Oct 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

There’s an argument to be made they compete without the trade, too, but for a “win now” organization, that was the move to make. There are a lot of things I don’t love about it, but it also worked out.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 7, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My argument has never been against what we got: Beckett/Lowell and the 2007 WS.

The argument, for me, has always been the flawed logic in dealing Hanley (that he was blocked by Renteria, who really had no future in Boston) and the fact that the Marlins were in fire sale mode (and needed us to take Lowell’s contract), so likely would have done it for something less.

I looked it up once… the top 5 prospects at the time of the deal included Hanley, but also had two names that never developed, along with Lester and Papelbon. Hindsight is 20/20, but if we could have kept Hanley, I wonder if he’d have been the same headcase with Pedey, Big Papi and Youk in the clubhouse…

by AlohaSox on Oct 7, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the first time that I've heard this logic

and it makes sense to me. Hmmm.

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by Bloggy on Oct 7, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanley was traded in part because he was a headcase

He had a reputation for being lazy in the minors.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think either Beckett or Lowell are/were "incompetent".

In fact, laziness is more of a sign of incompetence than anything.

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by Bloggy on Oct 8, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who would throw a boat load of money at Friedman if Theo left?

I like Cherrington, think he would be a fine replacement, but Friedman’s ability to draft and develop players is just too good to overlook.

Not that Friedman would automatically leave the Rays, but I think he would if the price is right.

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by totheights on Oct 7, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Or the Toronto GM... I mean, anyone that can dump Vernon Wells on the Angels like that...

(Of course, all of this is not knowing anything about their contract status…)

What if they offered Hoyer the EVP role, like Theo has… would that be a promotion that the Padres would consider letting him come back to Boston?

by AlohaSox on Oct 7, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rays had top picks for years

when they were basement dwellers so it was easier for Friedman to get great picks. Maybe he would still be good at it but Longo, Price, Hellickson, Upton were all high draft picks that never had a chance to go to the Sox.

That said, he definatly konws how to build a bullpen and if they can get him they should.

by ThoughtsAndSox on Oct 7, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and no...

Sometimes the Sox get top picks because they are the Sox and have the resources. Some of the top players in the draft aren’t picked first due to signability issues.

(Oh, and I wanted to test out my new signature… recommended by mmmmm.)

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Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Oct 7, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hellickson

was a fourth round pick, Matt Moore and 8th round pick, and Desmond Jennings was a 10th roung pick. The Rays are producing talent out of more than their first round picks.

by flasoxfan on Oct 8, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has the "Evil Empire" taken the reins in Boston?

If you listen closely you can hear the moanful cry of Red Sox Nation as management slowly and painfully blame everyone but the people that should be blamed. They drive away the only manager that has ever brought a World Series championship to Boston (and New England)..
Between NASCAR and British Soccor, I’m beginning to wonder if the Red Sox actually matter to the owners. Just like the the government, all that matters is lining their pockets with gold
They should be ashamed. They certainly have brought a very distasteful situation to the fans.

by Jim w on Oct 8, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Man... I wish the state government of NC could line it's pockets with gold

Then we might not be having our fifth year of budget cuts

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by brogshan on Oct 10, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Theo is as

good as gone. The owners would have made the announcement of an extension of Theo during this interview, but they didn’t because they most likely know he has interviewed for the position with the Cubs, and is going to accept it. The contract is probably being drawn up, and they are still working out the compensation, which if I’m the FO, I would be driving up the price everyday that goes by, because this situation is extremely inconvient for the Sox because of the fact that they need to hire a manager, but the person who’s entrusted with that search is in between positions, so how can they really proceed until the whole situation is settled. The vague answers they gave during this interview were for two reasons, some dealt with club policy, which should be secret. The other was baseball policy and they could have been reprimanded for breaking those policies.

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by aubatron2011 on Oct 9, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Next manager

I am so disdusted by this season. I choose not to think about baseball again until spring training starts then I’ll see how I feel then.

by ddjapan on Oct 9, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Having been a Sox fan for half a century

I have sen the Sox nose dive to end the season on several occasions and have been unfortunate enough to witness the Sox lose the pennant to Detroit by half a game, losing the WS on Duffy Doyle’s throwing error to first which allowed Pena to tie the 7th game in 75, the epic collapse of of 78, the loss of Fisk, Lynn, Burleson, and Hobson because The front office couldn’t get it’s act together enough to tender contracts in time which made them free agents, and gutted the team for nearly a decade. I watched the teams of the late 80’s get mauled by A’s and the 86 squad come within a strike of winning it all in order to set up yet another sickening end and it wasn’t Buckner who cost that game, it was Stanley who couldn’t get an out. I watched the first Playoff with yanks with the Phantom catches I nearly cried when Martinez was left in to allow the Yanks to tie in 03. I watched the 06 and 10 teams disintegrate under excessive and freakish injuries. Now I have had the misfortune to watch what could have been the best team in baseball make history once again, by losing a 9 game lead, eclipsing the Phillies 7 game swoon, and edging out this years Braves 8 1/2. Worse, in a good number of those games they held healthy leads and blew them. And at least the 78 squad won a 1 game playoff with the Yanks by eliminating a MFY lead of 6 games in the final two weeks, winning six in a row to end the regular season. This years team just went to sleep and never woke up, by the first week of September you could feel the depression. The team just quit on itself. I could live with all of the rest, but this….. Francona was not at fault and I don’t blame him for bailing. Nor do I blame Epstein. The team just quit. The entire Season was perfectly summed up by Papi’s last at bat when he left a steaming pile about a foot from the plate.
I am not sure I will be watching The Sox anymore, I got 04 and 07, (My father went his whole life waiting for the title that never came)or for that matter, the game I loved for my entire life. I am that completely disgusted. Or Maybe I’ll Just follow Theo and become a cubs fan.

by NJ Native on Oct 9, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Following Theo!?

That’s like being horribly abused at your job by a malicious, incompetent boss, then jumping ship to be with him. This year sucked because of Theo Epstein’s decisionmaking.

by Sean O on Oct 9, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Interesting decision-making process up there.

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by Bloggy on Oct 10, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sox going forward

I have no concern weather Franconia leaves, Theo leaves, or any other person who is leaving, weather it is players such as Papelbon and Veritek, or more or all of the coaching staff. What I am concerned about is who is staying and who is coming to right this very wrong ship. Who will lead the team going forward? what pitching changes will be made because that is where the major melt down happened.To think that the top three starters are going to dominate the league, after proving they can not stay healty together for a full season would be crazy! Another front of the rotation man and back of the rotation man are needed going forward. The heart measuring stick needs to be picked up and applied again going forward, God does not will the team with the most talent to collaspe and not make the playoffs. I consider myself a very Spiritual person but that is just an excuse for being weak. We pick up guys with great numbers coming in but no proff of heart. And we gave up an Adrian Beltre and Victor Martinez, What did we gain? Certainly by their play this post season one can not say heart. The people I feel sorry for are the owners, they spent what they have to try to put a championship team on the field and entrusted that money to the wrong person. In turn they never recieved the return on their millions. As well as us the fans we deserve more than 2 consecutive years of not making the playoffs, watching as less talented teams have advanced. It is not acceptable with the way the great city of Boston supports this team. What is even more disheartening is going to Fenway on Sept. 20th and watch a starting catcher who was hitting 240 at the time totally ignoring the kids that were cheering for him during warm ups. A simple wave or even a gesture of a smile would have been something. I am sorry because in the business world he would have been fired for his performance. the children deserve better. My hope is that these egomanics take a hard look in the mirror this off season and really face themselves before facing another season!

by sardilli on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Stopped reading...

but it’s “whether”. Not “weather”. Weather is the stuff that falls from the sky and shit like that.

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by Bloggy on Oct 10, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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