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Roy Oswalt should join the Red Sox

Now, the context in which I'm contemplating this is that I'm currently seeing Oswalt getting lit up in the NLDS but, odd context aside, I think Oswalt is exactly what the Red Sox need in 2012.  First of all, lest anyone complain, let me clarify that Oswalt is not technically a free agent, and we won't technically know if he is until after the World Series; the Phillies hold a $16 million option for him with a $2 million buyout- given, however, the great success of Vance Worley, the limited innings that Oswalt pitched this year, and the increasing cost of guys like Cole Hamels (who they're more likely to want to sign to a long-term deal) and Hunter Pence, it seems terribly unlikely to me that they will.  So lets proceed as if he will be a free agent.

He had also, earlier this year, when he hurt his back as a result of helping his family clean up after being hit by a hurricane, he had said he might retire after the season, but he has since recanted that.

Let me go through some quick bullet points on why the Red Sox should sign Oswalt:

1. He's quite good.  In 139 innings this year, he posted a 3.69/3.44/3.95 ERA/FIP/xFIP slash line.  This was a down year for him.

2. He's a free agent who will be signable on a 1-2 year deal, depending on how much longer he wants to pitch.

3. He's not CJ Wilson.  I have nothing against CJ, but I do have something against giving a long term contract to a lefty who has only started for a couple of years.

4. He's also not John Lackey.  This is in no way related to Oswalt, really, but everyone who is not John Lackey should be appreciated.  If, for example, I were asked to describe something positive about Bill Hall, it would be that he is not John Lackey.

5.  Personality-wise, he might be the opposite of John Lackey.  He quietly goes about his business, yet is liked by his teammates.  Like a sort of pitching J.D. Drew.  He won't be a vocal leader, but he'll be a leader by example, doing what he needs to do.

6. He pitches a lot of innings.  We need this.

 

Now, the possible knocks against him are his age (just turned 34) and the injury this year.  I don't personally view the injury as a huge deal, as it was suffered outside of baseball, and because he has been generally quite durable through his career.  This, combined with his age, present some warning signs, but if you're looking to sign a free agent for a short deal, you're not going to get an absolutely perfect player.  

As far as a deal, the most comparable one I can think of is the 2 year extension 36-year old Chris Carpenter signed with the Cardinals for $21 million.  Oswalt is a bit younger, but also has not pitched quite as many innings as Carpenter has the last few years, and I'm imagining a deal would be somewhere in that ballpark.

As we're all well aware, the Red Sox may not have a ton of payroll room available this year, but to get a good pitcher without committing a ton of years and dollars, Oswalt is probably the best option out there.  I think that, whether through insurance on Matsuzaka, trading, or just finding the room, Oswalt will provide better value to the Sox than most any other option on the free agent market in their greatest area of need for 2012.

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one year deal sure

nothing more

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by gizmosandy on Oct 5, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd gladly give two

definitely not more than that.

by wolf9309 on Oct 5, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the perks, with Oswalt's mindset, is that if you sign him for a 2 year deal

and his first year is really shitty, he’ll probably retire rather than have another shitty year.

by wolf9309 on Oct 5, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing Oswalt come here.

He is a smart, fast-working pitcher who is a veteran and knows how to win. And if he hurts his shoulder we can just get him to go out and change his spark plugs again and it’ll fix him right up.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Another Texan pitcher?

If there’s 4 guys in that clique they can start playing more complex drinking games. That’s not good.

by alskor on Oct 6, 2011 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

You can't really just discount any player from Texas

Especially considering the number of MLB players from there. It, like Southern Cali is a hotbed for baseball talent. And as has been said, he isn’t from Texas.

Also, I wouldn’t worry about it because from all I’ve heard he is a hard-working professional. Lackey was likely a POS before he got here, and I would be more worried about a young guy that is Lester or Buchholz’s age coming in and being soiled by Lackey’s attitude than I would by a guy who has been around for 12 years. He would be a stopgap guy, 1-2 years while Ranaudo matures and until we see how the pitching free agent class before 2013 shakes out.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 6, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think they have beer die in Texas?

I’ve always wondered this. I’m from Maine so maybe it is just a Maine drinking game…all the play here in CT is beer pong.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 6, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

"He's also not John Lackey."

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Oct 6, 2011 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

You had me at "He's quite good"

We need pitchers whose level of play are above suck.

“Not John Lackey” is also a great thing to be.

I’ll take him for 2.

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by outofleftfield on Oct 6, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL at the Bill Hall line.

Didn’t Bill Hall pitch some? How did his slash line compare to ’11 Lackey?

by cds7c on Oct 6, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Bill Hall's career pitching slash line is

0/3.08/3.08

Someone sign that man to an 8 year contract to be our ace.

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you assume that Bill Hall would be one of the five worst pitchers in the majors...

…you’d still take him over John Lackey at this point. Better one of the five worst than the worst.

by RSNexile on Oct 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think a 4.0 xFIP translates to in going from the NL to the AL East?

probably 4.5. That is not so great, and would not be worth the age/health/cost risk. He had better be better than that to justify such a move. It is true that Oswalt has always been a home run suppressor (so xFIP might not do him justice), but my guess is that we would be looking at a 4 ERA (or worse) kind of pitcher. Not bad, we could have used that last year, but he is going to cost a fair bit.

by Buzzy on Oct 6, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

you think it goes up a half run just by changing leagues?

I buy that it goes up, but not by that much. also, he hasn’t just been a home run suppressor, he’s done it at minute maid and Citizen’s Bank, both of which are typically pretty home run friendly, while Fenway isn’t. In any case, a lot of innings at a 4.0 ERA would make me thrilled.

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

a lot of innings and a 4 ERA would be great-I just wonder if that could be had cheaper and with less injury risk. Yes-I think there have been estimates that place it (on average to the AL East) at 0.5-but each pitcher is different.

by Buzzy on Oct 6, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, looking at the free agent list

I don’t really even see many guys who can do that regardless or cost. Buehrle and Edwin Jackson are the only two guys that really strike me as possibilities- and I’m not sure either is cheaper than Oswalt by much. Jackson is young enough that he’ll likely get a long term deal somewhere, and Buehrle seems to only want to stay with the white sox or go to the NL I’d be OK with either, but I’d rather Oswalt.

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the trade market

We have an aging, oft-injured superstart third baseman we can move for pitching. Youk could probably get at least a Roy Oswalt type pitcher in return, maybe a little more.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 6, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

but who, in particular?

there’s not all that many Roy Oswalt-type pitchers sitting around on teams that are ready to compete except for a need at third base

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Wells was the first guy to pop into my head.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 6, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know Wells all that well

but he really doesn’t strike me, from what I’ve seen of him, to be anywhere close to that level of player. Now I’ve only seen him pitch a few times, all this year, which I realize was much worse than the rest of his career, but it was quite bad.

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wells' 2011 was an aberration

but even with that he has a 4.23 FIP for his career. In 2010, his last full year, he had a 3.93 FIP and a 3.94 xFIP and in 2009 it was 3.88 and 4.18

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 6, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

I wouldn’t trade Youk for him. I certainly don’t believe he’s close to the same level as Oswalt.

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade Youk for Wells straight up either.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 6, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no strong feelings on Roy Oswalt

If he was signed for a team-friendly deal…okay. If I never heard his name again…okay.

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by Bloggy on Oct 6, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't be so quick

to bid farewell to Bedard. Assume Lackey is moved for his personal wellbeing and that of the Sox. That leaves JB, JL, CB and probably Bedard who cost us talent and is much better than he performed. Oswalt would be a far above average 4 or 5, as would Bedard. That’s a strong rotation. However, both Bard and Acevas want to start and reportedly have been told they will get stretched out in ST. That would make 7 good starters. So where do Miller, Tazawa and Wake fit in, if they do? Interesting conundrum.

by GerryT on Oct 7, 2011 3:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Also,

the homegrown Youk/Lowrie 3b duo is a keeper, especially as it segues so seamlessly to Middlebrooks who projects to be an
Elite 3b. Youk is both a high performer the lineup needs and a fan favorite, like PD and Ells. The Sox need him.

by GerryT on Oct 7, 2011 3:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wake doesn't fit in anywhere next year

part of housecleaning. As for the others, Tazawa certainly starts in Pawtucket, and I doubt Miller is back, really, unless he’s willing to take another minor league deal. We know that at some point Bedard, as well as likely as least two other guys will go down and we’ll need all the depth we can get.

by wolf9309 on Oct 7, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depth

Not so much a conundrum in my eyes….we didn’t have enough depth this year in SP and we started with 8 different guys as legit options. I don’t think Wake will be in the picture, Miller might be if he is I suspect he will be in the pen until he shows he can be consistent or injuries pop up. Tazawa will be in AAA.

Also, Bard wouldn’t necessarily be a good starter, and the same goes for Aceves. I haven’t heard that about Bard getting stretched out and I am extremely skeptical anything would even come of it. I could see them doing it with Aceves but I think we have to remember that Bedard isn’t exactly the type of guy to go 7 or 8 and give 30 starts so if he is our #4/5 those good long relief guys will be absolutely vital, as will 3-4 other MLB ready starters whether it be Tazawa, Miller, etc.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 7, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Way On Oswalt

The last thing the Sox need is another worn out, end of his career, injury plagued pitcher. Hell we already got Wakefield for that position!

by fenwayfaithful4life on Oct 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

And Lackey

Monster carcass in Fens this morning, bat splinters on burst stuffing. This team is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The players are inveterate quitters and the pitchers are full of fail, and when the playoffs are within reach, they will all choke. The accumulated filth of all their beer and clubhouse rivalries will foam up about their waists, and all the fat Texans and horrid relievers will look up and shout, "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper, "NO."

by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

worn out, injury plagued?

that’s not what I see when I see Oswalt.

We probably can’t afford a healthy young ace, which is always the ideal. So crappy, unreliable young pitcher or good, older pitcher?

by wolf9309 on Oct 10, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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