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There is quite a bit going on in Boston right now, with Terry Francona exiting as manager last week, Theo Epstein in the Cubs' sights, and ownership generally quiet about the whole thing. Until now!

John Henry, recovered from his fall last week, has been tweeting about the progress of the Red Sox' managerial search via Twitter:

Another productive day this week at Fenway. Tom, Larry and I were briefed by Theo and Ben on the managerial search. Due diligence this week.
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Henry continued, saying that they may start the actual interview process next week. As for just who they are looking at, no one is entirely sure, though plenty of people have been making articles out of guesses. My personal preference at this early "no one knows anything" stage would be A.J. Hinch. He's currently the vice president of scouting for the San Diego Padres, working with former Red Sox assistant GM Jed Hoyer and former Director of Amateur Scouting Jason McLeod, but he used to be the manager of the Diamondbacks under another former Red Sox assistant GM, Josh Byrnes (who also works in San Diego right now, as the Vice President of Baseball Operations.) Hinch has more of a background in front offices than as a manager, but, much like John Farrell, who was Director of Player Development in Cleveland before he was the Red Sox pitching coach, that background might serve him well on the field, as he understands the game in a more complete fashion. 

Don't judge him based on his record with the D'backs -- had the Red Sox done just that with Terry Francona based on his time with the Phillies, he never would have managed here. Someone like Hinch, who looks to be somewhat of a Renaissance Man baseball lifer, would be an intriguing fit. And hey, he's a former catcher, something that could possibly benefit both the pitchers and a developing catcher like Ryan Lavarnway.

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The Cubs have asked for permission to speak with Theo Epstein, and while my idea of demands are far-fetched (but really, why wouldn't you want to extort the Cubs, taking advantage of every ounce of their desperation?), it's likely that the Cubs will have to pay dearly in order to pry Epstein, who has one year left on his current contract with Boston, away from the Red Sox. The interesting thing about these sorts of deals is that Theo might be attracted to the Cubs for a variety of reasons, one of which is due to the base of talent they have coming through the farm system. In order to get Theo to Chicago, though, part of that farm system would likely end up back in Boston. 

No one is quite sure whether Epstein even would want to go to Chicago or not, but, even with what seems like a great gig in Boston, there are reasons for him to want a change. He's won in Boston twice, and was the general manager of the team that finally won a World Series after 86 years of futility. Not only that, but he was GM when they won again in 2007. The only way to stand out, historically-speaking, more than that, would to also be the GM who brought Chicago their first World Series in over 100 years. It's a legacy-building move, even if Theo isn't explicitly interested for that reason.

That being said, we'll know soon enough if he's interested or not. The Red Sox don't have to let him talk to the Cubs even if he is, but I have a hard time believing Henry would hold Theo hostage were he interested in moving to Chicago. We'll save the "Who should be the next Red Sox GM?" talk for when we know if that's going to even be an issue. Plus, that's easy! He already works with the team, and is working on the search for a manager alongside Theo.

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Marc, your posts are excellent

Same goes for Matt and his daily links. I just wanted to throw that out there, if I haven’t already. This site has always been one of the most intelligent Sox blogs around, and when you two joined the writing staff it got even better.

Totally unrelated, but I don’t have the energy to make a Fan post: Why do some people feel that Bard can suddenly become a SP again? I’ve seen it suggested a lot recently. Yes, he started his career in that role, but he was a wreck; too many walks and he didn’t really “take” until being converted to a reliever.

He’s been used in the BP role for 4 years now and although his stuff is nasty it doesn’t exactly translate to the rotation. Couple that with the fact that he’s been used pretty heavily the last two years doesn’t exactly guarantee that he’ll be as effective as a SP. His stuff is tailor-made for a shutdown relief arm; I know SP are more valuable and this team desperately need help in that department but I don’t think people understand that it isn’t as easy as flipping a switch and seeing results.

by ritz on Oct 5, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

yes, in addition to

the fact that he was converted from a terrible, terrible starter into a great reliever, coupled with his breakdown at the end of the year. I don’t understand it at all.

by wolf9309 on Oct 5, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guilty of seeing transitions like Piniero, Ogando and CJ Wilson and thinking....

damn, our next starting pitcher may be one of our relievers.

It’s like too good to be true. The truth is that to displace Lackey and fill the 5th starter role, we’re looking at Weiland, Doubront, Tazawa or some reclamation project signee.

by cds7c on Oct 5, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hold out hope for Tazawa, personally

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by Bloggy on Oct 5, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubront?

Does he not have the most upside?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 5, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubront needs to stay healthy

And be more consistent. Tazawa, I’m not convinced he’s more than a reliever, but we’ll see what Boston plans for him in 2012 soon enough.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 5, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys, generally

Were quality starting pitching prospects who finished learning their craft in relief, and were converted back. Bard was kind of the “well I guess we have to put him in the bullpen” kind of prospect.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 5, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't speak for Marc

But thanks for the kind words, ritz.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 5, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Originally, the Bard as SP stuff...

…came from Bard, who I think realized he wasn’t going to be closing soon, and that money for middle relievers is not good. Thankfully nothing came of it, but I agree. With his pitch selection and occasional fatigue/mechanical issues, dude is probably a reliever only.

And thanks for the kind words.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 5, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but

Didn’t Hinch have real problems in the Arizona clubhouse?

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 5, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds familiar!

But it was his first time on the job, and a lot of problems with that team came from spots above Hinch’s pay grade.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 5, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words

I’m not ready to write someone off after one stint as a manager. Except for Trey Hillman, who shouldn’t be allowed to manage until after serving a sentence for murdering Gil Meche’s arm.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 5, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, here's a Note:
Source: Red Sox fire first-base coach Ron Johnson.

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by South Coast Ghost on Oct 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

They got the wrong damn Coach

Unless they’re moving Bogar back to first, of course.

by South Coast Ghost on Oct 5, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what I've heard, they really like Bogar as a coach

And I’m fine with that, whether he is a bench coach or first base coach. But get him the hell off of third base!!!

by wolf9309 on Oct 5, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I am fine with keeping him around as long as he is no longer getting guys thrown out at the plate.

by dja9783 on Oct 5, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with him

so long as I never have to hear his @#$%ing name again.

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by Bloggy on Oct 5, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sucks for Ron...

Couldn’t they keep him in some capacity? Though maybe he didn’t want to stay in another capacity…?

I’m fine with Bogar as far away as possible from 3B though.

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 6, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems weird that it's only him, so far at least

which makes me think they probably want to hold off on decisions until they know the manager, if possible- and the Johnson probably has another job lined up and asked them to let him go if they thought they were going to so that he could pursue that before it dried up. Just speculation.

by wolf9309 on Oct 6, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And another note:

Francona is going to be filling in for Tim McCarver for games 1 + 2 of the ALCS on Fox. This seems like a good decision on his part, because, however good or bad he may be, he’ll be better than Tim McCarver.

by wolf9309 on Oct 5, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I’ve always wondered how Joe Buck has put up with Tim McCarver all these years. Every time McCarver says something dumb, Buck must think of all the money he’s raking in for sticking with the gig.

by JordanS on Oct 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that Buck is a pompous POS himself

He’s probably too busy wondering how his hair looks. I’m impatiently waiting for some kind of non-lethal but certainly voice reducing form of throat cancer to remove him from announcing. Fuck Buck.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 5, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

’Can’t stand Buck.

Ever since we swept his precious Cardinals he has been an ascerbic pill whenever he’s called Boston games – including the Patriots.

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by mmmmm on Oct 5, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hates the Eagles too

Covers a lot of those too. I usually mute him.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 5, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think Buck just hates baseball

can’t understand why he does it. Fox must pay a ton.

by wolf9309 on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Said It

If I remember correctly; in that he’s not a baseball guy. Fox definitely has to be paying up the big bucks.

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 6, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair.

If I had to spend hours at a time listening to Tim McCarver talk I would probably hate baseball.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 6, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's awesome

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Oct 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Going to Tune In

Just to hear Tito’s commentary.

Though from ESPN:

On joining the Fox broadcast team for Games 1 and 2 of the ALCS: "I’ve only broadcast one other game in my life. That was in the Arizona Fall League about 13 years ago. It was on radio and there was about 12 people (listening) and I sucked. This is going to be interesting."

At least he’s candid about it. :-)

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 6, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs System

Don’t think the Cubs have a farm system of great note. They lost three of their top 10 prospects in the Garza deal, and with the exception of perhaps McNutt, none of those remaining appear to be stars.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Red Sox system is rated ahead of the Cubs by many come this winter. Maybe the Cubs’ is better, but if it is, it’s not by much and it’s not like he’s walking into a top-five system.

by UltimateCranston on Oct 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Overall, no

But they have McNutt, Jackson, Vitters, etc. Some potentially good players at the top (though I don’t know if Vitters is Boston’s kind of guy)

by Marc Normandin on Oct 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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