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The Armchair GM: Marc Normandin, Red Sox (Fake) General Manager

Not shown: me, pretending to be the general manager of the Red Sox.

One of the neat things about having a group of writers here at Over the Monster is that we don't always agree on how the Red Sox should operate, or who is the most or least valuable, or who should never see an at-bat again. That's why, this week, we'll be running the Armchair General Manager series, where we'll all take a spin as something of a GM for the day, giving you a chance to see our similarities and differences for yourself outside of the comments. At the series' conclusion, you'll get a chance to pick your favorite plan, too. Who knows, maybe we'll even send the winning plan along to Boston's real GM, Ben Cherington, and when he uses that as a blueprint and the Red Sox don't win, you'll have no one to blame but democracy.

Star-divide

The Coaching Staff: First thing's first -- the Red Sox are without a manager, and that's likely the first major area to be filled somewhere besides in-house. There hasn't been a lot of word over who it is Boston will be placing in the manager's seat in 2012, although there was mention of interviews for at least two candidates this past weekend, but that doesn't matter, as this is my fake tenure as GM, meaning I can hire whoever I want. I've already cast a vote for A.J. Hinch, who didn't have a very successful first run in Arizona, but has the background as a player, front office guy, and manager that gives him the ability to understand everyone he is responsible for or to:

Don't judge him based on his record with the D'backs -- had the Red Sox done just that with Terry Francona based on his time with the Phillies, he never would have managed here. Someone like Hinch, who looks to be somewhat of a Renaissance Man baseball lifer, would be an intriguing fit. And hey, he's a former catcher, something that could possibly benefit both the pitchers and a developing catcher like Ryan Lavarnway.

My only other thought on the coaching staff is to move Tim Bogar back to first, and sign Not Tim Bogar to work third base. (Hey, at least my blood lust doesn't involve firing, just shuffling the Bogar around.)

Options: The Red Sox have a few players with options, one of which was already picked up this weekend, making Marco Scutaro a member of the 2012 team. For the sake of completion, I would have picked up Scutaro's option as well -- in his two years with Boston, Scutaro has 1140 plate appearances and a line of .284/.343/.401. He's likely not an everyday player given the little nagging injuries he ends up with, but neither is Jed Lowrie, for the same reasons. The two of them combine to form one shortstop, and when both are healthy, you get a productive utility infielder in the mix as well. The $6 million, when he already had $1.5 million due to him were the option declined, is a no-brainer.

Dan Wheeler is the next option up, and the reliever is owed $3 million for 2012 if it's picked up. Wheeler was much better than his 4.38 ERA indicates, as he rarely walked anyone (1.5 per nine, 1.9 per nine over the last three years) and owned a 4.9 K/BB ratio. Homers, as always, were a problem, but if Wheeler is limited to facing righties as much as possible, then he can be effective. (For whatever reason, Wheeler faced 78 lefties out of 201 total batters in 2011 -- that should never happen with his very clear splits.) Wheeler might seem like a luxury at $3 million, but the need for effective bullpen arms is one that never goes away, and as mentioned his 2011 was solid and expected. Option picked up.

The last of the three options is Andrew Miller. There is room for him in Pawtucket, and if the baseball gods are merciful, he won't need to be in the 2012 rotation. But, given that there was already one open rotation spot before John Lackey went down, the Red Sox are in need of pitching depth. Decline the $3M option and work out a new deal for him for less money, and stick him in Triple-A once more.

Arbitration Cases: Most of the Red Sox arbitration cases are for small amounts of money: Matt Albers, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Alfredo Aceves, Mike Aviles, Daniel Bard, Darnell McDonald, Jed Lowrie, and Franklin Morales are either in their first year of arbitration (and therefore still cheap, but with an extra digit tacked on to their salary) or are, like Albers, limited in their success, and therefore still inexpensive. All told, this group isn't looking to make much more than $8 million or so, or, the same that Jacoby Ellsbury can expect to get on a deal to avoid arbitration in his second year of eligiblity. Combine the arbitration player's raises with the options and money already in place, and the Red Sox are at around $151 million in total payroll. In 2011, they spent just under $164 million.

Red Sox Free Agents: Boston doesn't have a long list of free agents, but the ones they do have are generally important players. J.D. Drew is pondering retirement, and his skills have clearly deteriorated, so he is not to be re-signed. Conor Jackson walks and Trever Miller leaves too, as there is only room for them in a September-style roster with 40 roster spots. As for the others...

Jason Varitek hit .221/.300/.423 splitting time with Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and while his defense is still there, he hasn't thrown out runners well for years now (just 14 percent in 2011, and 17 percent from 2009-2011), will be 40 years old, and, except for when it comes to homers, is an almost automatic out against right-handers (.277 OPB against in 2011, .207/.296/.396 from 2009-2011). With Ryan Lavarnway destroying Triple-A, it's time to let go. Lavarnway doesn't have the same defensive chops as Varitek, but he has little if anything left to learn offensively in Triple-A, and would benefit from a more permanent exposure to catching instructor Gary Tuck. 

The Red Sox need pitching depth, so it's tempting to bring back Tim Wakefield for one more year. The thing is, though, Wakefield wasn't much better than Andrew Miller last season, thanks to 1.5 homers per nine and an inability to pitch deep into games more often than not. Wakefield still has a K/BB of 2.1 over the last two seasons, but he's become hittable with a pitch that is supposed to defy BABIP conventions, and many of those hits end up in the bleachers. Wakefield is on the record as wanting to be the all-time Red Sox wins leader, but if he's given enough opportunities to do so, then something has gone awry once again. He's been below replacement level the past two years -- like Varitek, it's time to say goodbye, as they can do better than this.

Erik Bedard should be re-signed, and he won't cost a significant amount of money. He signed with Seattle for one year and $1 million in 2011, and while he will command more than that given his successful (but injury-shortened) season, the cost won't be extravagant, especially when placed next to the production -- let's say one year at $6 million, with incentives (or even an option) built in to pay the man if he stays on the mound. That gives the Red Sox four starters and a need for injury backup, sure, but scanning the free agent market for pitchers should tell you Bedard is a priority given his upside.

Jonathan Papelbon is up next, coming off a year where he made $12 million through arbitration. Papelbon depends entirely on the market -- I wouldn't offer him more than three years, $30 million, and that's at the max; I would rather attempt something like two years at $24 million, or two years and $20 million, as reliever contracts make me nervous. It's likely that the former will be what it takes to get him, though -- assuming he doesn't cost more than that, then he's a Red Sox for the next few years on this hypothetical squad. 

Last we have David Ortiz. A deal for one season and $12.5 million would be the first offer, giving him the same he earned in 2012. That's more money than any other DH is going to make this winter, and is likely more than any other team is willing to pay for a 36-year-old hitter-only. Ortiz might want multiple years, but someone else is going to have to give it to him for my offer to increase. Two years, $20 million is as far as I'm willing to go, more than fair given how other DHs are paid these days, as well as his age, but I'm sticking to the one-year offer until I no longer can.

Re-signing Ortiz, Papelbon, and Bedard at these prices would put the Red Sox somewhere between $177M and $181 million. That would easily be the most money this team has ever spent ($168 million was the previous opening day high). The cap limit for the luxury tax in 2011 was $178 million, and will be higher in 2012 (another bump of five percent on the ceiling would mean $187M), meaning Boston can afford to do this without going into the penalty. For that reason, it's safe to assume that Boston can sign these checks if necessary. (Huge caveat here: the current collective bargaining agreement expires before the 2012 season, but it's likely the luxury tax system will remain in place.)

Free Agents: That doesn't mean Boston can sign everyone, though. And even with Bedard in tow, the team still needs another starting pitcher. That's why Carlos Beltran is only an option as the right fielder if David Ortiz or Jonathan Papelbon sign elsewhere, as the money it would take to sign him would be on par with those two, and there just isn't enough room in the hypothetical budget. If those two do re-sign, then it's more Josh Reddick and Ryan Kalish for the lot of you, not that that's a bad thing, especially since their low costs helps the rotation fill out.

Wandy Rodriguez might be too expensive, but the Astros placed him on waivers in August, and are clearly willing to make a deal to be rid of the remaining $23 million and two years on his contract. The 2014 option becomes a player one if he is dealt, but those sorts of things can be negotiated, either by voiding that decision, or by forcing the Astros to pay a chunk of 2014 should Rodriguez take it. Exploring a trade for him would be a solid plan, as, if the price is right in both prospects and dollars, then Rodriguez would fit in nicely, and would likely pitch as well as Boston expected John Lackey to (and at a lower price, too). 

If that doesn't work out -- it's the Astros, so no guarantees here -- then to the free agent market Boston goes. There is very little to choose from there: Mark Buehrle, Ryan Dempster, Jon Garland, Edwin Jackson, and Javier Vazquez all stick out, but might turn out to be too costly (or possibly be retiring, in Vazquez's case), or are an AL East disaster waiting to happen. 

On top of signing any one of those pitchers to a one-year deal at the appropriate (read: low) cost, the Sox are going to need more depth at Pawtucket, so that Aceves isn't responsible for every spot start all year by himself. The problem is that, like last year, most of the borderline types (Freddy Garcia, Bruce Chen, Justin Duchscherer, Rodrigo Lopez, etc.) should be able to get full-time big league jobs, too. Unlike last year, though, Boston will need to convince someone -- even a replacement level starter, as that would be an upgrade on Wakefield -- to spend the year at Pawtucket in case they are needed.

Ideally, you are looking at a roster like this on Opening Day, 2012:

Position Player Bench  Player
C Jarrod Saltalamacchia IF Jed Lowrie
1B Adrian Gonzalez UT Mike Aviles
2B Dustin Pedroia 4OF Darnell McDonald
3B Kevin Youkilis C Ryan Lavarnway
SS Marco Scutaro
LF Carl Crawford SP6 Alfredo Aceves
CF Jacoby Ellsbury RP Daniel Bard
RF Josh Reddick RP Dan Wheeler
DH David Ortiz RP Felix Doubront
SP1 Jon Lester RP Matt Albers
SP2 Josh Beckett RP Franklin Morales
SP3 Clay Buchholz CL Jonathan Papelbon
SP4 Erik Bedard
SP5 Wandy Rodriguez

Doubront has to be on the major league roster, as he is out of options. Albers' sudden ability to strike people out makes him tempting for another go-round, and there are enough options at Pawtucket (Kyle Weiland, Junichi Tazawa) that if he fails to replicate his first half of 2011 even a little, he can be dismissed. Should Aceves be needed in the rotation for any stretch, Scott Atchison can once again fill in as the long reliever, spending the rest of his time in Pawtucket (It has been pointed out to me that Atchison is out of options, so, unless he clears waivers, that up-and-down trick would work just once.) Aviles is something of the fifth outfielder and utility infielder, until such time where Boston needs to recall Ryan Kalish or summon Juan Carlos Linares to fill things out. Things move around a bit if Ortiz or Papelbon doesn't sign, but as I said, this is the ideal roster for opening day.

Remember, we'll be spending this week looking at the roster like this through the eyes of different authors, so check back to see what the rest of the group has in store for their turn up. And, of course, thanks to Cots Contracts for existing.

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Jenks is somewhat up in the air right now, because of his health situation

I thought it easier to leave him out until we hear more about his availability and future.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 31, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doubront

At this point, I think Felix needs to be thrown into the rotation, to see if he’s got it or he doesn’t. He’s at that point of his career now that it won’t help to just stash him in the bullpen. Give him a shot in the rotation, and if he can’t cut it, then convert him back to relief.

by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Oct 31, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

LaRussa Retires, Duncan Available?

With the Red Sox needing a pitching coach and the best pitching coach’s closest ally having announced his retirement, is there any chance Dave Duncan thinks it’s time for a new challenge and decides to move on?

by Dave Burke on Oct 31, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

This is immediately what came to mind upon hearing the La Russa news (and, fortunately, buries the slightest possibility of La Russa himself managing in Boston). Get on it, Theo… agh, I mean, get on it, Ben.

sigh

Just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

by Tarrsk on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

this was my first thought too

then my second thought was, didn’t he miss a ton of time this year because he was spending time with his sick daughter? Wit LaRussa retiring, I expect Duncan to do the same, or at least take a year off.

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose Iglesias?

Sox Prospects has him ready for promotion in 2012. What’s your take on him?

by thedrizzl on Oct 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

If he hits in AAA this spring

I could see him getting a call up later on in the year…but he has had trouble hitting there so I would be somewhat surprised to see him in the Majors this coming year. I think it would be a mistake, and that is why they are picking up Scoot’s option. Gives them another year to see if Iglesias can make progress.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

What he said

Scutaro/Lowrie as the shortstop for one more season, and we’ll see if Iglesias can make himself a capable #9 hitter in the meantime.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was rushed to AAA

needs another year there for sure.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is highly unlikely he will get a merit based call up in 2012

I’m of the belief that he is not, and will not be a major league caliber hitter. I’d like him to prove me wrong, but I just don’t think he has it, he came into the league with question marks on his hitting ability and two years into the system they’ve gone up a couple font sizes. They’ve rushed him through the system and haven’t put enough work on his hitting, or they have and it hasn’t taken.

That said, if either Jed or Scoot go down, he’ll probably get the call. It won’t be based on merit though. I think Bogaerts is the one we need to be thinking about in the future.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he needs to be traded for pitching now

while he still has SOME value.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

package of Lowrie/Reddick/Iglesias might be able to get something decent back. Two ML ready players who are still/young & cheap and one SS with potential…..a NL team who prides itself on groundball pitchers?

by BobZupcic on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of posted this in your offseason thread, but here's what I'd like to see happen:

Boston gets: Chase Headley, Jair Jurrjens

Atlanta gets: Kevin Youkilis, Jose Iglesias

San Diego gets: Sean Gilmartin, Zeke Spruill/Jed Lowrie

Scutaro would be the starting SS, Aviles the backup in Boston under this scenario.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 31, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it with the exception of McDonald

I’m not comfortable with McDonald as my 4th outfielder and we need another right-handed bat that can actually hit – I’d let him go and get someone like Cody Ross

by BobZupcic on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Part of that is available dollars

Part of it is that they have options in Pawtucket who can come up as well, in Linares and Kalish. Ross is intriguing, but they would be coming up against the luxury tax in this plan, and likely won’t want to pay it given the penalties they would be forced to pay.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going on his career splits

vs. L as a RH bat = 0.912 OPS. McDonald is a career 0.799 vs. Righties and at least Ross is manageble in a pinch vs the southpaws

by BobZupcic on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cuddeyer?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much for Cuddyer?

He is coming off a 3-year, $24 mil contract. If we project him getting around that for another 2-3 years, it really depends upon how the Sox view Reddick/Kalish and the need for a right handed bat. Cuddyer would only cost money and the Sox could use one of Reddick/Kalish as trade bait.
Cuddyer is also about the lowest risk decent FA in the market. he has been very consistent and reliable.

by Scoop1981 on Oct 31, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer unquestionably pounds lefties, but

I think he’s overrated and his asking price will reflect that. I wouldn’t be comfortable paying him more than 4 million or so for a part time bat with horrible defense, and I think he’ll get a lot more than 4 million.

by Sologub on Oct 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Cuddyer was on a contract that cheap the Twins will want him back.

Type A free agent. Can’t imagine they won’t offer him arb.

He’ll cost money AND a draft pick.

by South Coast Ghost on Oct 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer the Twin

Would be huge defensive downgrade at RF after JD, Reddick, Kalish. And at 1b behind Gonzo, Youk, Lowrie, and at 3G behind Youk, Lowrie, Aviles. The Sox need tighter defense not steps backward. Reddick/DMac or Linares (currently at AFL) now, with Kalish getting back into the groove in AAA. That’s more than enough offense and much better defense and arms, with comparable on base speed. Total cost for Reddick, Linares, Kalish less than $1.5M.

by GerryT on Oct 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i definitely think a

trade will happen, I don’t know if it will be for Wandy Rodriguez, I wouldn’t be opposed to Wandy, just don’t want to give up too much. But I think there will be a pitcher acquired by the Red Sox via trade. And than the Sox will do the typical low risk-high reward contracts to fill out the rotation.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

One problem

You’ve put Papelbon on your hypothetical squad despite not presenting a single contract offer than there’s ANY chance he accepts. If what you’ve presented there is really your limit for him, then you should be thinking about who you’re going to replace him with.

Otherwise, this all seems sound to me.

by Jake_W on Oct 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Someone out there will give Paplebon a 3 year deal. We have witnessed his highs and lows and we tend to focus on the negatives when a player has been around for a few years. The fact of the matter is that Paplebon is the most reliable big-game closer on the market, and second only to Mo Rivera over the past few years. There are a number of teams out there, including the Phillies, that will value his big game experience.
The Sox will be playing with fire if they don’t make an agressive move to keep him. We have seen a number of acquisitions, including Lugo, Renteria and maybe Crawford that have trouble in the Boston spotlight. Paplebon, and Ortiz, are proven commodities here and both need to come back.

by Scoop1981 on Oct 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, one thing you left out

as we know, the luxury tax is calculated against the average annual value of contracts, so if the Red Sox exercise Lackey’s option for league minimum, that saves at least a few million towards that goal

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Marc,

DId you figure that Gonzalez is due a big raise next year? He played last year on the final year of his S.D. deal, which was $6 million last year, and in upcoming season his salary will go up a lot. Which may mean the Sox have to let Papi and Papelbon both leave so they can save about $23 million dollars to account for Gonzo’s raise and still have some money laying around.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 31, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

Before any (more) options are picked up, or arbitration is paid out, the money the Red Sox were responsible for (including any raises of players under contract, like Lester, Buchholz, Adrian Gonzalez, etc.) was $131 million. So that’s already accounted for in any estimates I made about payroll in the piece.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which may mean that entertaining trades for someone like Youk

might make some sense. I would hate to see the team hand-tied right out of the gate with little to no flexiblity to make in-season moves

by BobZupcic on Oct 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure one of our authors

Will suggest a plan or two for moving Youkilis, and they will make sense. I chose going with one of the kids in right field rather than that, though.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 31, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I thought you may have

but it wasn’t mentioned. Just wanted to check. Trading Youk right now with no real offensive replacement, doesn’t make a lot of sense. He, for muc of the season depsite having a odwn year, was a reason this team led the Majors in runs. Unless you can get Aramis Ramirez on a one year deal, similar to Beltre, that would not have much affect on the offense.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leading the majors in runs

was obviously not our problem. I’d be willing to step back a bit on offense to upgrade pitching

by BobZupcic on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sox could

upgrade their pitching without trading Youkilis. They would be taking a massive step back, not a little step back without Youkilis. Other than average, he was sitll one of the top third baseman in the Majors in other categories.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 31, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on who they replaced him with

it might not be that much of a step back. If they picked up Headley from SD I think they’d be fine.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 31, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read this piece

by Alex Speier and you’ll understand why trading Youk is a bad idea: http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/alex-speier/2011/10/28/no-time-get-chippy-why-red-sox-are-unlikely-tr. The time to trade Youkilis was last year, when Beltre was a FA. If the Sox had signed Beltre and still traded for Gonzalez, and used Youkilis as a trade piece.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 31, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the arguments against trading Youk just fine thank you

I happen to not agree with them. I’m allowed to do that.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 31, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

heretic

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 1, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, you aren't.

Fall in.

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by Bloggy on Nov 1, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily because

his raise was already built into the tem’s budget, as Marc pointed out earlier. Money coming off the books allows for that. But JD’s $14 million will go for new players.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the Red Sox would be willing to gamble on Sizemore...

He’d be an interesting option in RF, though obviously he can’t be counted on to A) Play in a lot of games and B) Hit lefties. Still, so much potential.

by Sologub on Oct 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He redundates the redundancy.

Ellsbury to Crawford to Sizemore. Pretty much the same guy.

I’d be happy to sign Sizemore if it was to trade Ellsbury for a top of the line starter. Matt Cain for Ellsbury? Sure.

by cds7c on Oct 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that such a bad thing?

I mean, Ellsbury is a damn good player, Crawford SHOULD be a damn good player (please God), and if Sizemore can come close to that, that’s quite an outfield.

by Sologub on Oct 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Five surgeries, two on his knees, in three years

Sizemore is done.

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by L33to II on Oct 31, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Cain luuurves him some fly balls. I <3 the guy, as the Giants are my NL team, but he’d get killed pitching in Fenway.

by Tarrsk on Oct 31, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler, Atchinson options declined.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

nah I bet they will

he didn’t have a good year and probably wouldn’t be getting a raise in arbitration. if he accepts, that’s ok, if not, they’ll take the pick.

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

His salary this year was 3 MM, and his declined option was 3 MM. No one ever stays the same in arbitration – it’s always a raise. So I don’t get it.

by Sologub on Oct 31, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying it will be a major raise

But I absolutely believe he’d be in line for more than 3 million in arbitration. They either think he’ll decline it, or they don’t intend to offer him arb.

by Sologub on Oct 31, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to agree here.

In arbitration he would probably get right around $3M. Not significantly more, not significantly less, enough to take the risk of getting a pick. If he accepts, maybe we lose a couple hundred thousand on him, if he declines we get a pick. I’m fine with that. He could also accept and get less. As far as I understand, arbitration doesn’t involve a lot of high end statistics, Sox can trot out his ERA, IP, W and Saves and say hey, he isn’t really worth all that much.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 31, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why Atchison?

He is major league minimum plus maybe 50K. He took the deal for his daughter’s sake and is worth much more. I don’t know why he didn’t spend more time up in 2011. He’s a real steady hand on a volatile Pen and as versatile as Acevas.

by GerryT on Oct 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no options

I’m sure they’ll try to re-sign him to a minor league deal

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So much for Hinch

He’ll be the new assistant GM in San Diego. Looks like he has chosen the front office career path over returning to the field.

Of course, this series is about what we want, not about predicting the future, but still. No Hinch.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

now I know you're the fake GM here

But I wouldn’t give Bedard near $6 million guaranteed. He made more starts and pitched pretty well this year, but he also averaged around 5 1/3 innings per start and each year, his track record of injury gets more established and he is a year older.

I’d love to have him back, but maybe around $2-3 million guaranteed with incentives.

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd give him 3 million, with incentives based on starts and innings pitched to bring it up potentially to 10 million.

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
DFA Rev Halofan, The New York Yankees, The Tampa Bay Blue Seats, Carl Crawford, John Lackey, Darnell McDonald, Dave Magadan, Tim Bogar, Buck Showalter, Dan Johnson, Hawk Harrelson, Jonah Keri, Murray Chass, Mark Sanchez, Micheal Vick, Jared Allen, Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Rex Ryan, Rob Ryan, Trent Dilfer, Heath Evans, Cris Carter, Vuvuzelas, The Chicken Dance, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Stephanie Meyer, and the entire fucking city of Philadelphia.

by TheLoneDavid on Oct 31, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

This makes sense

He had something similar this year, with a million guaranteed and incentives that could have taken it up to 7 or 8. Makes sense if he cost a little more than last year considering he didn’t pitch at all in 2010. At least he pitched some this year.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 31, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly comes with risk

but he also comes with better talent than most of the FA’s. Let’s say he goes on the DL in June. By that time Tazawa, Doubront, maybe Miller or Wilson, as well as Acevas would be ready to step into the rotation. I’m guessing someone like Harden will also be in the Pen just waiting his turn, and Ben will have a recovering FA or two in the rotation at AAA. Add Matsuzaka later in the season and maybe even Darvish, and the Sox will have plenty of depth, as well as an above average #1-5.

by GerryT on Nov 1, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do not want Darvish

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
DFA Rev Halofan, The New York Yankees, The Tampa Bay Blue Seats, Carl Crawford, John Lackey, Darnell McDonald, Dave Magadan, Tim Bogar, Buck Showalter, Dan Johnson, Hawk Harrelson, Jonah Keri, Murray Chass, Mark Sanchez, Micheal Vick, Jared Allen, Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Rex Ryan, Rob Ryan, Trent Dilfer, Heath Evans, Cris Carter, Vuvuzelas, The Chicken Dance, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Stephanie Meyer, and the entire fucking city of Philadelphia.

by TheLoneDavid on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

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