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The All-Vice Team

Did fried chicken and beer really ruin the Red Sox season?

Following the collapse, players and management were left bruised and exposed after repeated attempts to throw everyone, including owners and neighboring chicken shacks under the bus.

Perhaps it is not a proud time to be a Red Sox fan, knowing that the collapse of the seasons rests in the greasy hands of three pitchers who loved eating and drinking a bit too much.

But framing the Red Sox players in a negative light just for their drinking/eating habits seems naïve and unnecessary.  Sure, they are paid athletes and at time made unprofessional decisions, the truth remains that throughout the history of the sport there have been players with vices… which led us to compile "The All-Vice AllStars."

 The All-Vice Allstars is comprised of players that were known for their antics on and off the field—whether it be alcohol, drug-abuse, violence, infidelity, or outbursts. Coincidentally, some of the players known for their bad behavior are some of the best to ever play the game, raising the question if vices hinder ones ability to play the sport.

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For example, in 1970, Dock Ellis had been visiting with friends in Los Angeles before a series against the Padres. Legend has it Ellis took LSD, then his girlfriend read in the paper that he was scheduled to start in the game that evening. Ellis pitched a no-hitter, admitting in 1984 he was ‘so far gone’ he could not even feel the ball or clearly see the batter or catcher.

And while drinking on off days in the clubhouse seems questionable, what about pitchers like Joe Page? The Yankees INVENTED the fireman role solely because Page was a drinker and needed the early innings to sober up. Page’s partying changed the face of the game: let that one marinate a bit.

Another complaint in the 2011 collapse surrounds John Lackey’s attitude on the mound—brooding, angry, and full of steely glares. But when those temper tantrums are compared to Ty Cobb assaulting a heckler in New York, Ozzie Guillen who once threatened to… violateMiguel Cabrera, or Bill Lee’s meltdown in the 1975 World Series where he threatened to bite off an umpire’s ear, Lackey’s attitude seems sophomoric and tame.

It’s all about perspective.

Perhaps the rotation is fat and out of shape, but the complaints of drinking and eating habits seem trivial when you consider all of the bacon, chicken, and Miller Lite Wade Boggs ingested during his baseball career, in which Boggs once drank 64 beers on a cross country road trip.

It also seems well documented that baseball players love video games. Even Curt Schilling owns a video game company now that he is retired. But video games seem harmless when compared to the real games Pete Rose played: betting at least $10,000 per game on over 52 Cincinnati Reds games in 1987.

So, the talk of the Red Sox collapse and how it revolved around three pitcher’s eating/drinking habits seems preposterous. While it’s warranted to wonder if the rotation was unsupportive of their teammates during games by being in the clubhouse is one thing, but to insinuate it affected their performance is another. The talk of these troubled pitchers pale in comparison to the "Pittsburgh problem" in 1985, where 10 Pittsburgh Pirates players were summoned to appear before a grand jury for cocaine use.

It would seem that the collapse and finger pointing leads to one real conclusion: some fans want ballplayers to be above the fray. They want them to be athletes that set good examples, play the game "the right way" and positively contribute on and off the field. But the reality remains that even though modern-day ballplayers make millions, some of them are a lot like us—flawed, hungry, and in need of a beer on our off days.

(Links to the aforementioned instances)

Earl Weaver on Manager’s Corner

Leyland smoking in Dugout 

1985 Pittsburgh Pirates 

Bernie Carbo and 1975 World Series 

Wade Boggs 

Ty Cobb Attacks Heckler 

Darryl Strawberry 

Ozzie Guillen on Cabrera 

Billy Martin vs. Sammy Davis Jr. 

Pete Rose Gambles on Baseball

Dock Ellis on LSD 

Dock Ellis beans the Reds

Doc Gooden and drugs 

Bill Lee and drugs 

Rob Dibble fired from Washington Nationals

Miguel Cabrera and DUI 

Joe Page and alcohol 

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And this team would be pretty awesome to boot.

"Common sense is quite rare." - Voltaire

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 25, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Shit, you're not kidding. Wow....

Is it bad that I’m actually disappointed about this? I thought he could use the offseason to turn it around… So we have Beckett, Lester, Buchholz (injury concern), Bedard (injury concern), and _….. yep a fun offseason for sure.

"Hating the (New York) Yankees is as American as pizza pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income tax"

I'm back, that's all, formerly known as Sox-Inda-South!

by GameSox on Oct 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

now he can have to season off to turn things around

we don’t have Bedard, he’s a free agent. I’m not sure they were gonna be relying on Lackey for the rotation in 2012 anyways.

by wolf9309 on Oct 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. When he does come back, do you think he'll be regulated to the bullpen?

Or will his contract demand otherwise….

"Hating the (New York) Yankees is as American as pizza pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income tax"

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by GameSox on Oct 25, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

well since he apparently had that much elbow damage

I think there’s a legitimate shot that he’ll be an acceptable starting pitcher again when he’s back, so I’m sure he’ll get a chance to prove himself as a starter. If he continues to pitch like he did this year, I can’t imagine he’ll be pitching for the Sox in any capacity for long.

by wolf9309 on Oct 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

At that point, his contract is expendable.

But what to do for next year? Does this make Wilson more attractive? I really hope not.

I’d vote for Edwin Jackson and Aceves, with Doubront and Tazawa as the fail safes.

by cds7c on Oct 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all likelihood his contract is somewhat attractive after this season

He’s got that club option for a season at the league minimum if TJ popped up due to his elbow problems from LA. That’s likely in play now.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only in 2015 From What I Understand.

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by Raj Ghetia on Oct 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like Oswalt if they can get him on a 2-year deal, maybe an option year

I think he would be more consistent than Jackson and a shorter term contract. I don’t think there will be an huge difference in their annual salary, to be honest. Oswalt is older but he is a better pitcher.

by The Name is Dalton on Oct 26, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Billy Martin story is wrong

Read the link provided. Martin and the Yankees got into the fight because other people were taunting racial taunts at Sammy Davis Jr. Elston Howard was with them and the Yankees didn’t like that kind of language around Howard. They told the guys to cut it out and a fight ensued.

Martin was a bully, a jerk, and an alcoholic with a violent temper, but he wasn’t a racist.

by Josh Timmers on Oct 25, 2011 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Dock Ellis' LSD No hitter

is the single greatest sports achievement in history. Hell, it’s in the running for great human achievement ever, with the pyramids, the moon landing and the wheel. Just think about it, the man took LSD, thinking he had a day off. He got a phone call and had to 1) get to the airport 2) get on a plane, 3) get to the stadium 4) join his team and act like everything is cool 4) walk out onto a mound in front of thousands of people 5) pitch a baseball game all on ACID! AND he threw a no hitter. Most people I have seen can’t tie their shoes on acid.

Supposedly Ellis dove out of the way of a “line drive up the middle” that turned out to be a rather routine grounder, but I haven’t been able to find video to confirm. Craziness, just amazing.

Also, why has no one asked Bill Lee to weight in on this fried chicken and beer theory? If ever the Spaceman’s unique brand of bullshit-crushing was needed it is now.

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by Mattsullivan on Oct 25, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, No Babe Ruth?

There are some very angry 1920’s hookers who would like a word with you, Cee.

- Matt Sullivan
"I would change policy, bring back natural grass and nickel beer. Baseball is the belly-button of our society. Straighten out baseball, and you straighten out the rest of the world." Bill "Spaceman" Lee
www.overthemonster.com
www.spacemanspancakes.wordpress.com

by Mattsullivan on Oct 25, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to agree

It’s was a tremendous feat trying to pitch while thinking that the thousands of blades of grass between himself and the batter was trying to eat him.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Oct 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an aside...

… am I the only person who now looks at that Lester, Lackey, Beckett jogging picture and now imagines a giant bucket of KFC and a case of Schlitz off the left-hand side of the picture.

Tampa Bay Rays Championships: Still Zero

"Playoffs?!? Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? I just hope we can win a game!"

- Jim Mora, seeing through space and time to describe the 2011 Boston Red Sox

by nuthinboutnuthin on Oct 26, 2011 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

scapegoats

I’m so happy Lucchino decided to hang his starting rotation out to dry. Really mature approach to management there.

by RickD on Oct 26, 2011 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Okay

um Babe Ruth?

Um . . . Mantle?

Sometimes glass glitters more than diamonds because it has more to prove.

by Kungfuguy on Oct 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome article, Cee!

Thanks for posting this! Stellar!

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Oct 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

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