John Lackey's Elbow Under Dr. Yocum Examination
[UPDATE] New General Manager Ben Cherington's first order of business was to announce that John Lackey will indeed undergo Tommy John surgery, and miss the entire 2012 season.
Assuming today isn't your first day at Over the Monster, then you've heard us discuss John Lackey and a potential elbow injury. He had a cortisone shot in his throwing elbow earlier in the 2011 season after a disastrous start, and while he wasn't great following it, he was exponentially better than he had been prior to it, as the swelling and discomfort in that joint kept him from producing at a level even remotely comparable to competent.
The further he got from that shot, though, the more difficult things became for him, something I discussed as a possibility back in late June:
...the issue is that we don't know how long it will last. His elbow must have felt fine last night, when he went 7-2/3 innings against the Phillies, allowing just two runs while striking out five and giving up one walk, but if/when the effects of the [cortisone] shot and the rest he got from going on the DL wear off, will he pitch like he did in April again? Will he need Tommy John surgery, as has been the buzz in the media the last 24 hours?
The answers to those questions are "probably" and "I'm not a doctor." The Red Sox are monitoring his elbow, making sure he stays healthy, and that's about all they can do at this point.
Fast-forward to September, and as far away from the cortisone shot as the constraints of the regular season allow, and Lackey did pitch like it was September once again. His ERA through May 11, before he was injected with cortisone and placed on the DL, was 8.01, and he was striking out 4.4 per nine while walking just one fewer batter, and had allowed 1.1 homers per nine, as well as an opponent slugging percentage of .720 -- for reference, the league-leader in slugging this season, Jose Bautista, finished at .608, and he was the only hitter over .600. In September, Lackey threw 23-2/3 innings over five starts, posting an ERA of 9.13, with 5.4 whiffs per nine and 4.6 walks per. Opponents slugged "just" .480 in that stretch, but hit .353 thanks to a .393 BABIP. If you watched the way he delicately placed the ball in the strike zone for anyone to have a shot at when he fell behind in the count, you wouldn't question where that massive BABIP spike came from.
It's clear something is amiss in his elbow. The cortisone shot existed for a reason, and, given his September and his failure to ever rise above anything resembling "average-ish" at any point in the season, we have reason to believe it was delaying the inevitable more than anything. We don't know yet if Lackey will need Tommy John surgery, as was speculated by many, including Peter Gammons, over the summer. What we do know is that this visit to Dr. Lewis Yocum is a necessary one, so we can find out once and for all if Lackey is as hurt as we've come to think he is.
Should he be injured and in need of a major elbow procedure, assuming this is from his pre-existing elbow condition, the Red Sox should be able to employ Lackey in 2015 for the league minimum rate, which would do two things, one of which Rob Bradford points out in the article linked above: cut the average annual value of his contract down from $16.5 million to $13.8 million, giving Boston a little more wiggle room under the luxury tax, and would also mean that, while Boston would lose a season of Lackey to recovery, spending $15.25 million on him in the process, they would also get him for relative pennies in 2015, when he is, in theory, in one piece once again.
We'll speculate on all of that when we know for sure what's up with him, but if this examination is any indication, we won't have to wait very long for that.
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Honestly, Lackey getting surgery might be best-case scenario at this point
Red Sox fans aren’t inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for next season (with justification, obviously). Tommy John would give him an excuse for his performance in 2011, and the ability to state that he’ll come back stronger once his elbow is fixed. It’d give the fanbase a year off to not think about him, which may help cool tensions a bit. And who knows? It’s possible that he’ll come back in 2013 and be effective again. Not likely, but possible.
If his elbow is patched up
Just like Dice-K, I would think he’ll be better. Unlike Dice-K, he’ll have time to at least attempt to salvage his contract.
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by Marc Normandin on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, true
It depends on the precise nature of his suckage this year. Plus there’s the whole “he’ll be another year older factor.”
I’m just reluctant to believe that his 2011 performance was entirely due to his elbow, which I’ll readily admit is mostly an illogical notion borne of my loathing for the man. :P
Elbow + personal issues
Plus, of course, not being the Lackey of old. But I would say those two things kept him from even being the Lackey of 2010.
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by Marc Normandin on Oct 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There's alot riding on
Dr. Yokum’s prognosis. A chance for fans and pitcher to step back and heal, to put an awful year a year into the past. A chance to resume his career with dignity and probably a good stretch run. A reason for fans to forgive and forget and get behind him as a more reasonably priced, high performing #4-5. Let’s hope he takes advantage of this rare opportunity for healing at all levels. Having the sacrificial goat go to pitcher’s rehab would give this tragedy/farce hope for a happy ending.
Good News in Disguise?
Maybe. If this happens, Lackey’s contract would be around 3 years/$33 million (give or take if my math is right) and Benny & Co. (yes that’s right, “Benny” because “Ben” is well, Ben Buchanan here) would have an easier contract to trade if that option is still available.
If he can be anything like Lackey of 2009/2010 after a possible surgery, then the team would have something in starter number 4 or 5.
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Are you talking about the extra year we get because of that injury clause?
I thought that was about a very specific shoulder injury, not the elbow.
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It is elbow
But it has to be due to pre-existing condition. If whatever is wrong with him now isn’t related, it won’t trigger.
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by Marc Normandin on Oct 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that this quote pretty much means that if surgery happens, it will trigger:
“I know I have damage in there already, so you never know for sure. But every pitcher will find something. Some of us just got a little more than others," Lackey, who had elbow issues early in the 2009 season, told WEEI.com in June. "You don’t want it to get too much worse than it already is. But the MRI was pretty close to what it was when I got here. …
we should come up with a nickname for Ben Buchanan to prevent confusion
I suggest something along the lines of “USG”
by wolf9309 on Oct 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody Please Explain "USG"
Anybody?
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USB is not something that is explainable
It just is. Or rather, was.
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*USG
and I went and ruined my joke :(
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It was Ben's original username.
I have no idea what it means, but that’s what it was.
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If Tommy John
is necessary talk about a big break for the new GM Ben Cherington. He doesn’t have to deal with moving him this year, and as has been talked about gives them the wiggle room in the contract. Finding a replacement might be a little tricky, but I thin they could find someone to fill in.
Confirmed by GM Benny
Just said it in his presser.
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TJ Surgery..
Might be good for him one can hope. But that contract isn’t going anywhere now and neither is Lackey.
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True, But
Now there wouldn’t be any 80/20 split or anything if the team was eating the contract.
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it wouldn't have been an 80/20 split anyways
maybe closer to 95/5. This way probably saves us more against luxury tax than trading him would’ve
Good Point.
Missed that huge part. Well that’s good then.
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So Now...
Lackey gets replaced with Dice-K next season essentially.
Completely off-topic, Ben C. sounds like Theo a bit, LOL.
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Dice-K presumably isn't starting until partway through next season.
They’ll need a stopgap guy, at the very least.
Then Think They'll Keep Wake?
They might do that instead of paying somebody completely new, no?
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I Hope Not Either
Because he’s gotten to the point that he’s essentially no longer effective.
Tazawa? Dubront? Pitchers in a platoon?
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I would hope they get a legitimate starting pitcher for the #4 spot
And maybe Aceves or Doubront until Dice-K comes back (if Dice-K comes back in time and is pitching well enough of course).
by South Coast Ghost on Oct 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need to approach the year assuming we will not have Dice the entire year
just because we don’t know.
Agreed
He might not be back until August. We can’t afford to go four months (possibly) thinking, “well, we just need to get by until Dice-K gets back.” That is too big a surgery to just assume rehab will go perfectly.
by The Name is Dalton on Oct 26, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Very interesting.
I think this necessitates the signing of at least two FA pitchers. Possibly C.J. Wilson, if not, probably something like Bedard and Oswalt.
I could also see
a trade happening. Depending on the compensation we get from the Cubs, or if there’s a signing or two that gives us flexibilty at certain positions, a trade could happen.
by aubatron2011 on Oct 25, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's worth noting, as well
that Cherington implied that this wasn’t going to be a huge free agency year for the sox
Like say they sign
Cuddyer, package Reddick, Anderson (because he’s blocked by Gonzo) and another prospect or two for a guy like G. Floyd, who could be available if they keep Buehrle, and Danks, just as an example.
by aubatron2011 on Oct 25, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cherington is making it sound like the option will, in fact vest from this
without actually saying it
This may have been brought up on this site before, but am I the only one
who thinks Cherington looks like Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins?
Nah, I've been saying it for a bit now.
I even said yesterday that since everyone else has left and Cherinton is here alone, that this is his “Siamese Dream” era.
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by Marc Normandin on Oct 26, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Um.
Yay? Boo?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Oct 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
a think a resounding yay
because
a) we don’t have to watch him pitch for another year
and
b) there’s reason to believe that he might actually be somewhat effective when he pitches again
and
c) it almost certainly frees up money
Woo hoo!
There will be a new pitcher in the rotation next year, and his name is Not John Lackey! Not John Lackey rules! Cherington is doing awesome!
He really is.
The Lackey bombshell was message #1 that he gets it, better than we do, and everything is under control. Message #2 was his unqualified support of CC as central to the team’s success. Message #3 is his intended use of FA because he believes in this team and this farm system. He’s already teasing us with talk of managers and a few new players. His clear eyed, open book presentation was both calming and hopeful. The crisis is over and it’s time to
get on with building for 2012. He is savvy and ready for this next phase of success. Now if only the media and shriller fans would get a life.

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