How Likely Is It David Ortiz Remains With The Red Sox?
If you want the short version of the question posed in the headline, the answer is, "Very likely." But if you've listened to our podcast the past few weeks, as we answered some of the questions brought about by the 2011 season, you would already know I was going to say that. The reason this is a question, though, is due to two things: Ortiz is a free agent for the first time since he came to Boston all the way back in 2003, on a $1.25 million deal that didn't even guarantee him a job -- remember Jeremy Giambi? -- after being cut by the Twins, whose organizational philosophy at the time only involved mediocre hitters who could slap the ball. The second item is that Ortiz is on the record as being tired of the "drama" surrounding the 2011 Red Sox. Given his comments yesterday, though, when given a chance to clear the air after receiving the Roberto Clemente award, he admitted just being as frustrated as the rest of us at the situation, but willing to see 2012 through just like us, too.
The thing with Ortiz and free agency is that he's something of a rare commodity at designated hitter. There are teams who don't employ a day-to-day DH for a reason, as they want to rotate the position among some of their more defensively-challenged players, or want to give some of their oft-injured or older hitters the occasional day off. The Yankees seem to be moving towards this model, a shift that makes sense given how Alex Rodriguez's body has treated him over the last few seasons. Even if they don't do that, the arrival of Jesus Montero, who has more questions about his ability to stick behind the plate than Ryan Lavarnway does, might block up the DH spot with someone plenty productive -- and far less expensive than Ortiz. The Blue Jays also have the funds, but maybe not the space, as they are a team with a few potential DHs already on the field in Edwin Encarnacion and Adam Lind, a fact that is doubly true should they pursue Prince Fielder (or move him to DH, even).
The Yanks would be the biggest threat for stealing Ortiz simply due to their wallet. Assuming Ortiz uses his 2011 salary as his expectation for compensation, he would be looking at roughly $12 million for a year on a new deal -- that's not mega-money, but it's prohibitively expensive for many clubs, especially if they already have players who are capable of slotting in at DH, or a budget, like Oakland's, that last year made them sign Hideki Matsui for just $4.25 million. It's also a possibility that Ortiz is more likely to take a one-year deal from Boston -- especially given they could pay him what he wants -- and that it would take more than a year's commitment to get him out of town, something many teams won't be willing to do. It's one thing to spend a lot of money on a 36-year-old DH, even one who just hit .309/.398/.554, but it's another thing to guarantee him years. The 2011 season did a lot to inspire faith in Ortiz's continued dominance, but the memory of his recent Aprils is a preview for what will happen when the end does come for this splendid stick. Considering the rough seasons of his peers, Matsui and Vladimir Guerrero, there will be teams keeping that in mind at the negotiating table.
Remember, too, that as a DH, Ortiz has just 14 teams to choose from -- 15 if the rumored Astros switch to the American League actually goes through in time for 2012. The Astros already have a DH, though, as Carlos Lee has been a DH stuck in left field for years now, and remains under contract at hefty price -- there is no need for them to sign a new one in order to make the league switch work.
All of this means that it's likely Ortiz will be back where he's been for the last nine years, giving him a decade of service with the Red Sox, and adding to his legacy here. He has played 1,287 games for the Red Sox, bashing 320 homers, and posting a line of .289/.387/.570. If the Red Sox want him back in the lineup -- and their budget for 2012, assuming it's on par with 2011, says that they can afford to want him back -- then he'll be back to add to those figures.
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One thing for Ortiz to also keep in mind is the long term
Boston, as a rule, is pretty fond of him, and he’s got some clubs and restaurants in the area. I am sure that there is a pretty hefty profit margin attached to those things having his name on them, and leaving us for new york would not be a good way to keep that going.
I"m pretty sure that Papi stays.
It makes too much sense for both him and the RS. The RS need his popularity almost as much as his bat. He is worth more to the RS than to any other team and thus likely to get paid the most by the RS.
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PSA had a problem with his award
But on topic:
David should absolutely stay, he’s a great fit in Boston, he loves Boston, Boston (for the most part) loves him. I couldn’t blame him for leaving if he can find a job elsewhere but I think it makes a lot of sense for us to keep him unless we can find a reliable 3B and let Youk take his job and slowly hand DH off to Lavarnway part time.
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LOL - I love how that link degenerates into the inevitable A-Rod argument.
Classic PSA. All conversations degenerate into A-Rod there.
(Not that we don’t have our own thread sinks here at OTM)
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A-Rod : Yankees : : Ortiz : Red Sox
shouldnt it be that?
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Oct 24, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Since I have no interest in joining PSA I'll make a very short comment here
Most of the bitching has to do with not liking Ortiz’ on-field antics such as the incident with Gregg and the perceived bat-flip. Beyond that the usual aspersions about Ortiz’ naming ending up on the 2003 PED list. And all layered on with a good ol’ helping of Red Sox hate (understandably).
But the award isn’t just about whether or not you think the player showed ‘poor sportsmanship’ because he charged the mound or argued a ball/strike call or whatever.
A larger part of this award is for the perception of community involvement – both in the MLB community and in the world at large. Ortiz may or may not have truly been the most ‘standout’ player in terms of community engagement, but his charity efforts have been legitimate enough to make this award anything but the ‘disgrace’ that Brandon C. describes it as. Papi was moved to get heavily involved with children’s charities 5 or so years ago after visiting a hospital. I know he received accolades from UNICEF for his efforts just a couple years ago.
Ortiz also has a lot of friends throughout MLB players, not just on his own teams and is frequently references as a mentor figure for a lot of young latin ballplayers. So it’s not likely he’s the pathetic a-hole that the PSA article would like to imply.
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Also, just to nit-pick, Brandon's article has a small factual error
Let’s not forget that Ortiz tested positive for steroids earlier in his career, denied it, finally admitted it, and then said he had no idea why he tested positive.
Technically, we do not know to this day why Ortiz’ name ended up on that list. It is a simple fact that names could end up on that list for a variety of reasons that had nothing to do with testing positive for steroids. To my knowledge Ortiz has never ‘admitted’ to testing positive for steroids. He only admitted that he did end up on the list.
All we can say is that he ended up on the list of 104 players who failed the test. The test was not meant to be highly discriminating since it was meant only to be a survey of the penetration of PEDs into the MLB player population. You could ‘fail’ it for a variety of reasons, even for refusing to take it.
I make no claim here that Ortiz did not use steroids. Only that we do NOT know for sure that he did.
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also, the comments that he made condemning steroid users
were specifically aimed at everyone still using after they became a violation of the rules
True point.
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Ah, I believe you are correct, actually. I believe that was a mis-read in my research, I’ll do some more fact checking.
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I don’t want to make a big deal in this thread since it has nothing to do with Ortiz winning this award, but answer me this. Given Ortiz’ actions on the field this year- for an award that’s description has to do with sportsmanship is Ortiz deserving? Is his character deserving of an award named after Roberto Clemente?
I cannot honestly believe the answers are yes to either of those questions. I cannot honestly believe he won the award named after Roberto Clemente.
Again, I do not want to diminish his charity work. I love to see it, and am happy he does it. Still, many players do charity work as well, and those players did not participate in a brawl, whine about a RBI, flip the bat, have their name on a list of steroid users, etc.
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Wonder how many dingers he could hit, playing a season as DH at Yankee Stadium. Highly unlikely, but it would be enticing to both take a personality away from Boston and inherit a swing that could be interesting in the Bronx.
I think the Sox should let him walk
I appreciate the efforts of Big Papi over the years. He probably has a couple of decent seasons left. I also have felt that after Manny left the FO should have let Papi go too & expressed that on this site.
The Sox need to get younger and more versatile. I would like to see a DH who can also position play. Maybe, Youk can DH along with Lavernway and the Sox can find a 3rd baseman? Youk nd Lavernway would add depth at 1B, 3B and catcher along with a bat. I know Lavenway is unproven but he is a big guy and has power.
Just a thought…time to let the transitions begin…
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