Bad Contract Swap Meet
Recently, the great Joe Posnanski made a list of his 10 worst contracts and as you might expect, the Red Sox made the list, twice. Posnanski put the contracts for John Lackey and Carl Crawford in his top ten, citing Lackey’s precipitous decline and his feeling that Crawford is overrated.
While Crawford’s 2011 season has given many people cause for concern, the Red Sox also have many good reasons to expect the left fielder to rebound. His age, athleticism, and defensive abilities all make him less of a long term risk than many other players. Many players have struggled in their first season with a new team and returned to being the players they were signed the next. Carlos Beltran’s miserable 2005 was followed by a fantastic 2006 which nearly saw the Mets make the World Series, Curtis Granderson struggled in 2010 and was an MVP caliber player this year. How about J.D. Drew, who could easily have made the 2007 version of such a list and yet still managed to be a valuable asset to the Sox for four more seasons. Crawford has been an above average hitter and elite defender in five of the past seven seasons. In both 2008 and 2011, he struggled with injuries and the inability to get on base. With the first nightmare season behind him, Crawford can take his name off any bad contract with a return to his 2010 form.
John Lackey, however, is clearly a player in decline. In two seasons with
The only real chance to move a contract like Lackey’s would be to take on another team’s bad deal. Fortunately, there are no shortages of bad deals in baseball these days. The Red Sox have one advantage in that Lackey is a pitcher and everyone always needs pitching. In fact, the Red Sox need pitching and trading a starter is not the way to go about getting it, traditionally. There are also surprisingly few bad contracts for pitchers out there. Swapping Lackey for Barry Zito doesn’t make much sense. The Sox likely would have to send cash or players to
With that in mind, let’s look at a few deals that
The Obvious Passes:
Vernon Wells, 3 years/ $63M: Yes that’s right for a mere $21M a year you could have the worst player in all of baseball.
Alex Rios 4 years/$49.5M: The poor man’s Vernon Wells (wherein the poor man still has $49.5M to throw away)
Ryan Howard, 5 years/$125M: If the Red Sox were looking for a player with David Ortiz’s skill set, 2 years/$25M for the actual David Ortiz would make more sense, and that is a pretty generous deal. With the other $100M we could almost pay the two guys above to keep playing against us.
Adam Dunn, 3 years/$44M: The White Sox are in trouble. Dunn had the same skill set as Ortiz and Howard but now he has none. He could recover and once again be an imposing slugger, but he was ungodly bad last season, I mean, he was Vernon Wells bad. You just don’t come back from that.
Alfonso Soriano, 3 years/$44M: Nice try, Theo.
Jayson Werth, 6 years/$112M: Werth might actually be a good fit for Boston- he hits right handed, plays right field and can get on base, but this deal is just too much money, if it was even close to reasonable, the Sox might have signed Werth instead of Crawford. Also, considering the team has Josh Reddick and Ryan Kalish, there is a very real chance Werth would become a $100M+ platoon player. Come on!
Interesting Options:
Johan Santana, 2 years/$51M: It is surprising that this deal doesn’t get listed among baseball’s worst contracts more often. Santana has not pitched since 2010, but he is expected to return next season. He has a full no trade clause and an option year for 2014 that activates if he wins a Cy Young Award. Before his injury, he was still dominating despite having fallen off from his mid-decade peak. Returning to full health for 2012, Santana could very well be an ace. However, he will also be paid more for the next two years than Lackey will for the next three and he hasn’t throw a pitch in over a year. That’s a big risk and if the Mets were willing to move him, it would only make me more suspicious of his abilities.
Let’s Do This-
Chone Figgins, 3 years/$26M: Figgins was almost Vernon Wells bad last year. He was just ordinary bad the year before. It doesn’t seem reasonable to believe he will ever be the player he was in 2009. However, this deal could be great for the Sox. They would get a player who is a switch hitter with an excellent glove at third base, allowing them to DH Kevin Youkilis part time or full time, trade Youk for pitching or trade Mike Aviles or Jed Lowrie. Figgins would not be hitting in Safeco 81 games a year and that alone would make a big difference for him. His base-running and defense can help the team even if his bat continues to falter.
Lackey would be entering a situation that would greatly improve his chances for success. He would be in a division he has played in before, in spacious, pitcher-friendly park, and out of the pressure cooker environment of
Dan Uggla, 4 years/$52M: Pitching rich Atlanta has no need or desire for John Lackey and plenty of reasons to hang on to Uggla. Despite that, this is a deal
Cents on the Dollar: Lackey could be attractive to a National League team in the playoff hunt. A team like
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Interesting article.
Hard to read though, with the grammactical errors. Please edit yourself!
Perhaps I don't know grammer so good
But I didn’t have any difficulty reading it
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Didn't even notice any egregious errors
I read through it just fine
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Oct 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't have any major issues
with the Grammar.
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
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by QW on Oct 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd add a comma in a few places and so forth
but whatever. Get over yourself.
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I agree completely
with havildar. This article was a mess, and the fact that no one else noticed is a further indictment of the American education system.
by Bertram Williams on Oct 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You should also edit yourself, havildar.
If you’re going to be pointing out other people’s mistakes, then let me ask you something: What is a “grammactical” error?
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by Dr. Dunkenstein on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd trade Lackey for Rios in an instant
his peripherals tell me he has a decent chance of bouncing back, and Lackey’s don’t. He could platoon with Reddick in right and have a chance of doing a fairly decent job. Plus, less AAV on the contract. I’m not sure the White Sox would do that though.
Depends on how the Buerhle situation goes down, I would imagine.
Though I’m not familiar enough their system to know if they have any in-house decent outfield options, or if we’d have to send Kalish or another of our many OF prospects along.
Rios is about the ONLY name up there I would take a chance on.
I would rather gamble on Lackey than pretty much every other name up there in the OP.
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which isn't likely to happen
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I think besides the terrible performance
Teams will also consider that there have been rumors of damage in Lackey’s elbow, which I think even he mentioned himself. That and his road #s last year were pretty terrible as well.
With Figgins you have the same issue, in that his road numbers were terrible as well. His BABIP on the road was an anemic .187 vs .248 at home, so that needs to be taken into consideration but still, some of his raw home numbers were better. I should point out I’m not a superstar with advanced metrics so maybe I am getting the wrong idea from the below. But I wouldn’t expect a big improvement just by moving to Fenway. He had some good at-bats at Fenway this year, but I think we have to consider that he was going against OUR pitching staff.
Home – .237 wOBA, 46 wRC+, 7.3 wRC
Away – .202 wOBA, 22 wRC+, 3.5 wRC
And yeah, I think you can cross Uggla off. After he slumped for the first few months, he tore it up for a while. I.E. provided positive value for his team. Given that and the fact they have 45 starting pitcher options next year, I don’t think it is in the realm of possibility.
by The Name is Dalton on Oct 17, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
I would think it would have to all be chocked up to the BABIP.
There is just no reason that SafeCo would enhance hitting.
Yeah, I knew that a difference that big in BABIP had to be included as a disclosure because it must have been a factor.
But I wouldn’t bank on him having much of an improvement. At any rate, I’m not sure it would matter because I don’t see anyway the Mariners would go for it.
by The Name is Dalton on Oct 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not defending Figgins 2011 numbers
home or road, but he isn’t that bad true talent and he fits our needs. Best of all, he costs much less, even if he failed miserably he would save us $25M over the next four years and that is a plus.
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by Mattsullivan on Oct 17, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that plus for us
Is a reason why I’m (personally) not sure it makes any sense for Seattle to do it unless we paid the difference. The “pitching in SafeCo will help him” argument will only get him so far, and it applies to most pitchers in the league, free agent or not.
Plus, their problem is hitting and spending an extra $25 million over the next few years on Lackey doesn’t solve it. After Felix, Pineda and Vargas they’ll need a couple pitchers and will likely sign a relatively cheap FA and then use a number of their younger guys to filter through their #5 slot. Personally, I see them in a rebuiliding phase.
So, yeah I guess…no brainer for us. Unfortunately they aren’t concerned with what makes our situation better.
by The Name is Dalton on Oct 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
'Do not want Figgins!
He’s awful. His glove is semi-decent but he’s a light-hitting second baseman playing 3B and getting power-hitting first-baseman money!
In some ways his contract is worse than Lackey’s. Lackey at least once upon a time WAS good for several seasons and even with us he’s had stretches of 2-3 starts here and therewhere he was at least tolerable (before sinking back into stench).
In his 10 seasons, Figgins has posted exactly ONE season (2007) that was decent and one (2009) that was ‘meh, ok’. The rest were all suck. His career OBP is just average and his SLG is just awful. Good F’ing lord – do you really want a third baseman whose career SLG is .368?
He was a horrible signing by the Mariners.
Please – why are we even talking about him?
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Because we have Lackey.
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Lackey, as much as we may not like it, is worth more to us than Figgins
People complain about Crawford being a bad fit for this club – Figgins has zero place here. I’ll take Youk, Lowrie or Aviles any day of the week over Figgins at 3B.
Do we intend that getting Figgins allows us to trade all three of those guys? We better get a ton back for them because the drop off in value at the hot corner would be a deep gaping chasm.
Trust me – watching Figgins generate outs for us at the plate and on the base paths would make you want to gouge your eyes out.
Outside of April and the insane disaster that was September, Lackey was at least a serviceable consumer of innings the last two years. If we can get him back to at least that level he’s way more valuable than Figgins.
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Lackey > Figgins? That's debatable.
We aren’t going to get anything of great worth if we are able to move Lackey. Just not gonna. So, we look for things we can get minimal value for. Figgins might be that, perhaps as a back-up/utility guy. Yes, he would be a disgustingly overpaid back-up/utility guy, but would that be okay if it meant dumping Lackey?
That’s the way I’m looking at this. I sure as shit don’t want Chone Figgins on my team. I’d rather him than Lackey, though, if there was a way to make that work.
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I guess the question is
Do you want Lackey at Lackey’s salary or Figgins at Lackey’s salary. Because thinking the Mariners will eat the difference is, in my own personal opinion, a pipe dream.
To me that is like picking between eating two piles of crap. The smell will be difference, but they both make you throw up and hate yourself.
by The Name is Dalton on Oct 18, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yes exactly,
Figgins’ contract is quite bad, but he is paid enough less than Lackey that Lackey’s contract is quite a bit worse.
I guess when I say "in a way that makes it work"
I mean that if we agree that Lackey has to go (and folks may or may not) and we are going to eat salary anyway (and I think most would agree that if we move Lackey, chances are we are eating salary), then what is a creative way to do that?
So, can have most of Lackey’s salary and have nothing or have most of Lackey’s salary and Figgins, who may be worth something to us. I can’t see how we won’t be paying most, if not all, of John Lackey’s salary no matter who is sitting on the bench.
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I guess my fundamental point is that Figgins is NOT worth something to us.
We don’t have a need for a third baseman who hits like a AA shortstop.
Between Youk, Middleton, Lowrie, Aviles – why would we ever have a use for Figgins? They are ALL better ball players than he is. Hell we probably have 3 or 4 other guys in the low minors that I’d rather see at 3B than Figgins.
The only ‘net value’ for Figgins is if you assume you swap salaries straight up and then eat Figgins’ contract because, yeah, its less $ to flush down the toilet than Lackey. But that straight salary swap would never happen unless we use voodoo-mind-control to make the Mariners act really stupid.
But if rehabbed, Lackey at least can potentially be utilized for SOME work, whether it is 5th starter or mop-up long relief. There is literally NO room on this team for giving ABs to Figgins.
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I floated the Figgins idea in a few places, and I'm not entirely against it.
We are saddled with a crap contract either way. If we need to get John Lackey off this team, why not get a guy with some versatility like Figgins? Even if it’s as a backup or something.
The years and dollars don’t match up, though, is my only thing. Figgins is signed through 2013 and Lackey through 2014, according to Cots.
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There is an vesting option for 2014
that vests after 600PA. You would have to wonder if he would reach that. If he reaches it, chances are he’d be worth it.
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I know Werth's contract
is ridiculous, but having Josh Reddick and Ryan Kalish, either could be traded for something if needed, like say a SP to fill in for Lackey, shouldn’t be an impediment to getting him here. I think he would actually be a guy that would fit in well here, he’s never been the guy in a franchise, coming to Boston would take that pressure off him, and when look at Citizen’s Bank Park and Fenway what’s the similarity? A left field that is not the biggest in Baseball, he’s a pull hitter that would do a lot of damage to the Monster. Plus he’s a hard nosed, dirt dog, kind of player. Which this team desperately needs to get back to. I don’t think it will happen, but I wouldn’t be against it.
I don't think Reddick and Kalish are an impediment per se,
except in that they cost around $18 million a year less than he does. The impediment is that he is not overpaid, he is absurdly overpaid.
I know that
but the author of this piece made it seem like having Reddick and Kalish were impediments. Believe me I don’t think Werth is coming to Boston, but I wouldn’t be against it.
by aubatron2011 on Oct 17, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If they were signed on the same day, I might agree with you
but we “only” have 3 years left on Lackey’s deal. There’s six left on Werth’s.
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And I think Lackey's final season
Is at a discount, plus an option at league minimum if his prior injury requires surgery. I will look that up.
by GerryT on Oct 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chone Figgins
does not play 88 games a year at Safeco.
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
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of course, that should be 81
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by Mattsullivan on Oct 17, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't really 'play' 81 either
he simply sucks for most of those games.
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not that bad, perhaps?
I’m not saying Lackey’s a great pitcher at this point, but his FIP and xFIP suggest he is not nearly as bad as his ERA might make us think. His Fangraphs WAR was 1.5 last year—which is a useful back-end starter. Trading him now, when his value is as low as it could be, strikes me as not the best idea.
His FIP and xFIP may not be as bad as his ERA,
but they are still bad. Worse yet, he just doesn’t make hitters miss at all anymore. He has gone from being very similar to a pitcher like Beckett at generating swing-and-misses to below league average. That is not something he is going to recover from. Unfortunately I think his value will continue to decrease. Unless something changes drastically he will not be in the rotation by the end of his contract.
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by Mattsullivan on Oct 17, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yes the problem is that predictors such as FIP and xFIP really only apply
for a major league level pitcher. If everyone just slams everything that he tosses to the plate, his ERA will be awful.
i dunno if that's an accurate description of what has happened with Lackey
Yes his SwStr% has declined slightly, to 7.0% both years with the Sox. But it was never all that high – his career SwStr% is 8.6%. We can break it down further to find where the difference came from.
His ability to induce swings, both in and out of the strike zone as well as overall has not really changed – all those numbers (Z-Swing%, O-Swing% & Swing%) were essentially the same as his career numbers.
The percentage of pitches he’s thrown in the zone dropped slightly, to 43%, but that is within the overall noise of his career avg of 49%.
Closer to the issue you raise, his overall contact% (84.8%) & zone contact% (90.1%) are basically within the noise of his career averages (81.1% & 89.6%, respectively). The latter is important because it shows that when he throws in the zone he’s missing bats at pretty much the same rate as he always has. The former is slightly up because of the next stat we talk about.
The one stat that jumps off the charts as different for Lackey in his time with the Red Sox from earlier in his career is his O-Contact% – that is, the percentage of swings making contact on pitches thrown OUTSIDE the strike zone. That has jumped from a career average of 60.6% all the way to 70.5% last year and a freaking ridiculous 75.2% in 2011!!!!
Basically, Lackey has suddenly, inexplicably been unable to get guys to miss when they swung at pitches off the freakin’ plate!
This doesn’t necessarily mean they are hitting HRs off pitches a foot out of the strike zone. But it means that pitches that in prior years generated swinging strikes instead became some mix of hits and foul balls. Probably mostly the latter but that in itself drives up pitch counts and eventually leads to bad things.
I have no idea what was causing this – perhaps a lapse in velocity when trying to ‘place’ pitches on the edges? Perhaps a tendency to throw outside the zone to a predictable location? Who knows? We know that Lackey’s overall velocity was fine this year. Even slightly up. The fact that the only big deviation in results came in the one area – contact on pitches off the plate – tells me that this is probably a very specific technique issue.
This is strikes me as the kind of thing that a pitching coach can possibly spot with film and work on with him.
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Reflection of a decline in his curveball?
His curveball was once his best pitch, but now it’s one of his worst. I would guess that it’s no longer effective at generating swings in misses when it drops out of the zone, which could be what you’re seeing there.
I think the two major sources of decline in Lackey are a slight loss in accuracy (i.e. he’s no longer as good as hitting his spots) and the loss of his curveball. With his velocity remaining about the same, he’s displaying the typical symptoms of elbow trouble. The elbow is not a major factor in arm acceleration, but it does have a significant role in accuracy and can be particularly troublesome with certain pitches (curveball?). Either the pain or lack of stability in the joint is the root of his issues.
Rather than a bad contract swap, I’d rather see him have ligament replacement surgery. I think there’s still a pretty good chance he could return to something resembling the 2010 version, if not a bit better, if he fixed his elbow.
This is possible.
If he’s not getting as big a break on the curve then even though it’s moving out of the zone, it may not be moving enough out of the zone and thus batters are getting wood on it.
A curveball is a technique pitch – it is definitely possible that this could be a mechanics (or, indeed an elbow health) issue that can be fixed.
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I would say it's more because
his fastball doesn’t have any movement anymore and his curveball either ends up well outside or smack in the middle of the strike-zone, waist high.
What you describe would tend to result in a higher Z-Contact%
which is not what occurred.
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Uggla
will not happen. There is no way the Braves will trade him
I would like to hear the other
side of Lackey’s story. Was he injured? Was the divorce a mutual agreement? Was there another side to her story? Was he exhausted from the personal drama? Were lawyers playing games with his head and emotions? What really happened among the rotation clique? I tend to believe Lester over AHohler and CHB. With some stats showing he might stage some sort of comeback, can he do so in Boston? Will the militant media allow him to? Is there anything that can be said or done to salvage his Red Sox career? Will he miss a year due to TJ and make a comeback in 2013, after this media-fed firestorm blows over? I think most of us hope for some end of season magic from Daisuke and Hill … would TJ be the best way to salvage Lackey’s reputation and contract?
After he said basically
accused the media sending him the text about his personal life, when none of the reporters knew about what was going on in his personal life, I highly doubt there’s anything he can do or say to get back on their good graces. Which means unless he can turn into Cy Young or Nolan Ryan, his best option maybe to ask to be traded out of Boston.
by aubatron2011 on Oct 17, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it was an injury issue.
I think it is either pitch selection or a technical flaw when throwing ahead of count. See my above comment on how the one major change in Lackey’s plate discipline results since he joined the Red Sox is his O-Contact%.
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I think that also
shows that his concentration, for whatever reason, was not what it had been in Anaheim. Did the pressure of Boston get to him? Or were the off the field issues around a lot longer than we know about?
by aubatron2011 on Oct 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad contract for bad contract
I don’t like the idea of trading one bad contract for another. Isn’t the idea to NOT have a bad contract on the team? That being said, the only player/contract on the list that would be a logical, lower risk move is Bay. The money is almost identical and the Sox could use another right handed bat.
I belive the better option is to trade Lackey to the NL, eat a good portion of the money and try to get a prospect or two. After all, the money is already spent and money is a renewable resource for the Red Sox.

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