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Some Words On Theo's Legacy

His future's so bright he shoulda worn shades.

As you may have heard, Theo Epstein has left the Red Sox go join the Chicago Cubs. Here at OTM, we will have, as the TV people say, total coverage of Theo's departure and what it means for the Red Sox and their future. I'm honored to kick off our total coverage by looking at Theo's legacy with the Red Sox.

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In 2002 the Red Sox hired a genius for a General Manager. You might have heard of him. His name was Billy Beane. He took the job, but that was days before he left it. Beane's change of heart came at the last possible second and just like that, the new owners of the Boston Red Sox had nobody to run the shiny new ball club.

Well, not nobody. They had this whip-smart (because nothing says smart like a piece of rope) 28 year old kid who had come over from the Padres. Theo Epstein was, everyone agreed, a GM-in-waiting. Beane's switch-a-roo prompted the question, why wait? From that moment until yesterday afternoon, with a brief three month hiatus banana hunting in the Saharan rainforest, Epstein was the Red Sox GM. During those nine seasons, the Red Sox won 839 games, an average of 93 games per season.

When Epstein took over the reins, the Red Sox, maybe more famously than we'd have liked, hadn't won a World Series since 1918*. That was 84 years ago at the time. As we all know, it grew to 86 seasons before the Red Sox did finally bring a championship back to Boston. Here's some names from the past that you might not have thought about in a while: Bill Mueller, Mark Bellhorn, Kevin Millar, Orlando Cabrera, and David Ortiz. All these players were brought to Boston from outside the organization by Epstein and each played a key role on that 2004 World Series winning team.

*This made the "1918!" taunt all the more ridiculous. Hey fellas, we won that year. Why don't ya try one of the eighty-six since then.

If you're searching to sum up Epstein's legacy in Boston in just a few words, you can start with '2004 World Series Champions'. That was and is Epstein's crowning achievement with the Red Sox. The win itself was amazing and wonderful and all of that, but the way the team won it was as poetic and valiant and meaningful as a sporting event can be. If anything could redeem 86 World Series-less seasons, Red Sox fans being born, growing up, growing old and dying, all without seeing a single World Series wining team, then coming back from the brink of elimination to crush the Yankees and sweep the Cardinals did.

The '04 Red Sox were a modern team in that twenty years prior they, like their predecessors, would have missed the playoffs. Instead, through the miracle of the Wild Card, the 98 wins didn't go to waste. After sweeping a 92 win Angels team, David stepped to the plate against Goliath. And for three games Goliath kicked the crap out of him.

Then the magic happened. Millar's walk, Dave Roberts' stolen base, Bill Mueller's single, David Ortiz's homer. Then Oritz did it again the next night, Curt Schilling's bloody sock, Johnny D's slam and just like that the shoe was on the other foot, my friends. The team that always loses had come thisclose to losing again but, impossibly, had won. And in doing so, they had beaten the team that always wins. Always except that time. 

Star-divide

The '03 and '04 teams showed the best of Theo. Taking over the team, Epstein quickly identified the strengths and weakness of the entire organization and set about fixing them. He realized there wasn't much to be had internally so he set about acquiring veteran players to fill the holes. He brought in character, he brought in talent, but mostly he brought in on-base percentage. Ortiz, Millar, Bellhorn, none of these guys were defensive geniuses. All got paid because as hitters they knew the strike zone. They knew when to swing hard and when not to swing at all. The 2002 Red Sox took 545 walks. The 2004 Red Sox took 659. That helped the Sox go from 859 runs in '02 to 949 in '04 and in the process go from out of the playoffs to World Series Champs.

That isn't to undersell Theo's greatest trade of all time. His acquisition of star starting pitcher Curt Schilling from the Diamondbacks for, I believe, a warm bucket of pig piss, gave the team a second ace to go along with Pedro Martinez. Theo famously spent his Thanksgiving with the Schillings trying to convince Curt to waive his no-trade clause and come to Boston. In the end, Theo's personal skills, exhaustive research, and salesmanship got the job done. Schilling was a vital part of both the '04 and '07 World Series champs.

The '07 squad was more Theo's creation, with Dustin Pedroia, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Hideki Okajima, and J.D. Drew playing important roles. The '07 Red Sox won the AL East, taking over first place on April 18th and never letting go. In fact, 2007 was the only team in the Theo Epstein era that won the AL East. Once in the playoffs, the parallels to the 2004 team were obvious. The team swept their first round opponent (again the Angels), came from way behind (down 3-1) to win the ALCS, and beat the holy hell out of the sorry National League team that dared stand in their path to glory. Duck boat parade, rinse, repeat.

That was the high point of the Epstein era. The five seasons since have been marked by a slow decline at least when it comes to where the team finished. The year after winning the World Series, the Red Sox lost the deciding seventh game in the 2008 ALCS to the upstart Tampa Rays. They had come back from the same 3-1 deficit they had the previous season, but weren't able to win that last game. Of course, they had beaten the Angels in the ALDS. In 2009, the Red Sox again won the Wild Card and faced the Angels in the ALDS, but this time it was they who were swept. The next year the Red Sox finished out of the playoffs and haven't been back.

There have been some notable failures during Epstein's reign. For example, the shortstop situation up till recently has been a constant source of problems. After trading Nomar Garciaparra at the 2004 trade deadline, Epstein let Orlando Cabrera leave in favor of former World Series opponent (and last out) Edgar Renteria. Renteria was so bad in his first year in Boston that it was his only year in Boston. He was sent, along with cash, to the Braves, and replaced by Alex Gonzalez. This would be a theme. Gonzalez was gone after one sub .700 OPS year and replaced by Julio Lugo, a player Epstein had inexplicably lusted over. Lugo was, in a word, very very bad. Not bad enough to torpedo the 2007 Red Sox single-handedly, but bad nonetheless. The Sox put up with Lugo for two and a half of the four years on his deal, before shipping him to St. Louis, a personal record for Epstein. With cash, of course. Then there was the Nick Green era which was cut short by Alex Gonzalez II. In more recent seasons Marco Scutaro has been adequate enough to keep Gonzalez out of town.

Another of Epstein's seeming failings has been his big ticket free agents. Signing free agents to big contracts has a far smaller success rate than you'd think, and Epstein was no exception. J.D. Drew's five year deal featured two mediocre campaigns, one straight up bad one, with two excellent seasons sprinkled in for good measure. Lugo and Renteria were disasters. The Daisuke Matsuzaka deal is one the Red Sox would probably like back as well. John Lackey has been a catastrophe. Carl Crawford may yet turn into a worthwhile investment, but the early returns are Lackey-esque.

All that said, nobody could spend nine years as GM of the Red Sox and not make mistakes. It's as impossible as breathing on the moon, living forever, or my cat refraining from turning her used litter into projectiles from the cat box.

The team Theo took over wasn't in total dysfunction but there were glaring mistakes in personnel, in management, and in player development. To his eternal credit, Theo fixed all of that. While he took the Red Sox major league team to the heights of two time World Champions, he simultaneously turned the Sox farm system from a joke into one of the consistently stronger systems in baseball. On his watch he drafted and produced Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Jonathan Papelbon, and Jed Lowrie. He developed Kevin Youkilis and Jon Lester. He drafted and developed the three prospects that brought back Adrian Gonzalez and the three that netted Victor Martinez.

Many of the deals that ended up on the list of Theo's mistakes were as well thought out and meticulously planned as they could be. The Crawford deal especially stands as a testament to the unpredictability of baseball and people. Show me one single person, one scout, one front office executive, one baseball analyst, one blogger, who thought all of Crawford's skills were going to magically vanish upon signing with Boston and I'll hold Theo accountable for the signing. If that signing ultimately fails it wasn't due to lack of preparation, intellect, or hard work.

Also, Theo often doesn't get credit for the deals he didn't make. Pedro Martinez and Jason Bay did and will spend the remainder of their careers clogging someone else's payroll.

Epstein is also culpable for the Great Collapse of 2011. In Bill Parcells' words, he bought the groceries. The under-performance and clubhouse problems of the most recent squad stand in glaring contrast to the rest of Epstein's teams. One hopes that though this was his last Red Sox team, it won't be the one he'll ultimately be judged on.

In the 1990s the Red Sox had some talent, but not enough. The organization spent money unwisely and paid little attention to developing players internally. Before Theo Epstein arrived, the Red Sox were a sleeping giant. He woke them up. It was his skill, perseverance, knowledge and effort that has set up the Red Sox for long term success. While the 2011 Red Sox missed the playoffs, the organization is well positioned for success going forward.

Yet 2004 will be Theo's enduring legacy in Boston. He will always be the guy who put together the team that won for Boston for the first time in forever. He won for Boston. Finally. All the rest after that is irrelevant.

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If Dave Roberts

was thrown out at second in Game 4 of the ALCS in 2004, do we still think as highly of EpsteIn? Conversely, if Papelbon gets the final out against the Orioles and Dan fricken Johnson doesn’t homer in the 9th and the Red Sox make the playoffs, does any of the crap about problems in the Boston Club House matter?

The line between between winning and losing is incredibly small. So a guy looks like a genius one day, and an idiot the next, but the truth much of the difference is just pure luck. Ask Grady Little. Or Bucky Dent. Or Bill Buckner. Or Dan Johnson.

There are reasons to be concerned about the Red Sox. The farm system isn’t close to our competition right now. That itself may be just luck, but taken as a whole the player evaluation doesn’t seem to have been as good over the last three years as it was in the middle of the last decade. It makes sense to ask questions about what has gone wrong in that process. The Red Sox are in a way a high risk business – if the investments in players don’t pan out they can absolutely wind up losing money. How many fans are going to pay Red Sox ticket prices to see a team win 83 games?

I can’t help fight the feeling, though, that we are tearing down something in a fit of rage and that we will regret it very much later.

by flasoxfan on Oct 13, 2011 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure anything is being torn down, really

Tito had a hand in his own exit, if not the central role. Theo is leaving on his own accord. Whatever disconnect the two had with management, neither was run out of town. The fallout of this season may have left as bad a taste in the management’s mouth as it did in fans, but at least to this point, there have not been knee-jerk reactions. When player decisions start being made, it might be a different story.

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by Mattsullivan on Oct 13, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

♫ Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

I can’t fight this feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeling anymore!!! I’ve forgotten what I started fighting fooooooooooooorrrrrrrrr!!

It’s time to bring this ship into the shore!
And throw away the oars…..
For-everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! ♫

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by Bloggy on Oct 13, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

also, before we get too up in arms about the Sox running Theo out of town

apparently, they wanted very much for him to stay, but he said he would definitely leave when his contract was up and used the $7 million they would owe him if he did complete this season in Boston as leverage to convince them to let him go. He has some experience with negotiations.

by wolf9309 on Oct 13, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

RE: Roberts

You’re right, if Roberts gets thrown out maybe we do think differently about Theo. Then again, if Roberts gets thrown out, maybe Ortiz’s double that was called foul this season is called fair and the Red Sox make the playoffs. Maybe the 2005 squad doesn’t suffer as many injuries and is able to do something in the playoffs as well.

I’m doing a bad job of it, but over 9 seasons there are many seminal events that could go either way. The GMs job is to create those moments. This is the point of the argument about the playoffs being a crapshoot. To a large extent they are a crapshoot, but if you get there enough the odds are in your favor. The GMs job is to get his team there.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that 2007 provides the validation that while 2004 did involve luck

it wasn’t ALL due to luck.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Oct 13, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Bloggy on Oct 13, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am confused

I see italics but this does not appear to be a series preview.

by wolf9309 on Oct 13, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

There was a horrible horrible accident

I meant to hit the “B” for bold but hit the “I” instead.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theo

I sure wouldnt have minded the Dodgers getting him—Being GM is easily one of the toughest Jobs in sports and Theo is one of the best—I wish the Cubs well they deserve it—How many fans would support a team that has lost for that many years!—-How about the Phillie fans—I was actually rooting for them—If the Dodgers dont win then I want the Phillies to—The Phillies and The Senators were the worst teams of the 20th century now look at both teams! Good luck to them both! Buy the way for those of you that dont know it The Rangers used to be the Senators—-Washington Senators turned into the Twins then the Twins win (sad)

by spc7 on Oct 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The world has changed so

much that the old phrase “The Washington Senators, first in politics and last in the American League”‘has been turned on it’s head.

by GerryT on Oct 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free Agency

The main complaint about Theo appears to be his use of Free Agency, and he does seem to be below average at it, but not horrible when you account for the fact that free agency is 95% composed of over-thirty-year-olds entering their decline phase. Free Agency is NEVER an efficient use of money.

But. Even with the inefficient use of funds, the main reason Theo’s made so many “mistakes” is that he’s had the money to do so. To not buy J.D. Drew is to use… who, exactly? Having the money to plug holes, even inefficiently, is better than not. The real mistake would have been NOT getting J.D. Drew. If you have the money to overpay an average player rather than get a replacement-level player for free, you’d be foolish not to.

Basically, every GM is going to overpay in free agency. Theo’s strengths are in building from within, which allows him to only have a few holes to plug in free agency. The fact that he’s had tons of money available to spend in inefficient free agency spending that nonetheless has helped the team should not be held against him.

by abbreviatedman on Oct 13, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

As for Drew, they needed a right fielder. He was a really good one and they paid market value of him. That the end of the deal didn’t turn out well was predictable. The early years of the deal when Drew didn’t hit were less predictable but you’re absolutely correct. It was the right move.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

"The early years of the deal when Drew didn’t hit "

Uh? Years? Plural?

Drew posted an OPS+ of 105 in his first year (still managed an OPB of .373 though!).

But his 2nd & 3rd years he posted OPS+ of 137 & 133, respectively. And he posted an rWAR of 2.5 or better every year with the RS until this year.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Oct 13, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew that

Badly worded on my part. There were years in the contract when Drew didn’t hit particularly well, or up to what I would say were his standards. One of those was in the early part of his contract. That’s what I was referring to. You don’t have to sell me on Drew’s ‘08 or ’09. I’m totally with you.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 15, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like

it’s going to be a prospect, and high level prospect, as compensation for Theo.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 13, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

The Red Sox

beat writer for the Providence Journal, Brian McPhearson, is reporting he’s hearing that the resolution could come as soon as today, and he is hearing the compensation will be a player.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yesterday they seemed certain that it was going to be cash only.

So we’ll see. The guy who fills the gatorade tank is rarely a great source on these things.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 13, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also

Peter Gammons too, who’s reporting the same thing.

by aubatron2011 on Oct 13, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They may have both called the same gatorade tank filler.

I won’t believe any reports until compensation is in hand. My expectations are still cash or a couple mid-level prospects.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here here

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crawford

I put in print that Werth was the guy they should target- that Crawford’s skills were redundant with Ellsbury (at times feeling like I was the only guy who didn’t want to trade him). But, I didn’t see this season coming. I don’t expect Carl to continue to perform in this way. I expect him to return to his usual production. It wasn’t a bad deal, but not the best deal.
Now we hear people asking about a right handed power hitter. That was Werth, who has the toughness to play in Boston, but was unprotected in Washington. People want to trade Youk, our only right handed hitter with power. Yeah, this all makes sense.
People, sadly, are focused on what went wrong and ignore what went right. Thanks for reminding people of some of the right things. I have mixed emotions about Theo leaving. He was not perfect, but no GM (or human being) is, but he doesn’t deserve to be vilified.

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by cavman on Oct 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Crawford redundant with Ellsbury?

I don’t understand this argument. Isn’t that like saying back in ‘04 that Manny was redundant with Ortiz? How can you have too much speed on a team or too much defense or too many really good players? That doesn’t make sense.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never made sense to me either

and it’s officially bogus now that Ells has added considerable power to his tool set. I like the idea of batting CC in his comfort zone at #2. L/R/L be darned, I see Ells/CC/PD/Gonzo/Youk/Papi/Lava-Salty as the best possible lineup. CC holds the key to how exciting and intimidating the Sox will be next year and he should regress to his good years. I’m hoping he makes Theo and Tito look like geniuses.

by GerryT on Oct 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he does regress to his normal numbers

it won’t make them look like geniuses. It was an obvious move that could have been made by a six year old.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 13, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding Renteria

His 2005 season was the best that the Red Sox got out of a shortstop until 2010, with Scutaro. And over the life of his four-year deal — even if only one year of it was with Boston — he hit .292/.350/.417, which was league average overall, and above-average at short.

Granted, he wasn’t out of shape and pudgy in the other three years of the deal elsewhere — probably a side effect of the fact he was in 2005 — but it’s kind of weird to think that if they had just stuck to their guns and held on to Renteria rather than deal him, they would have been better off than with what they replaced him with.

Of course, they ended up getting Coco Crisp by dealing Andy Marte, who they acquired for Renteria from Atlanta, to the Indians, so this does become a tangled web of “what could have been?” regardless of what you think might have happened.

by Marc Normandin on Oct 13, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Except one of the justifications for dealing him away was Renteria’s defense, or lack thereof. I’m not sure if it picked up after leaving Boston though being in shape couldn’t have hurt. I don’t think the hitting was as much of a problem as was portrayed.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only consistent principle in life is change

Tito needed a change. Theo needed a change & now the Sox FO will have a change too. However, the systems and processes that Theo left behind – that is a legacy for a healthy way to conduct business going forward. As long as these sound systems remain in place with a creative FO that adapts to changing market conditions to tweak the systems and processes then this team remains viable.

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by Dave D on Oct 13, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen to that

Beyond the post Nomar SS parade, down on the farm the Sox developed some talent that simply hasn’t panned out yet as expected. Start with the SS of the future Jed Lowrie who has dealt with broken wrist, broken medical staff, mono and potentially paralyzing nerve damage. He could have offered Average or better defense and a much better than average bat. Consider also the potential of Navarro, Tejeda and now the Iglesias (also delayed by injury). Theo & Cie did a good job addressing the problem internally once again but that thin margin of success left us with the unique Marco Scutaro … who has helped the team in many ways. IMO Theo did a great job even under such adversity.

by GerryT on Oct 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I've had Ryan Westmoreland pop in my head a few times the last few weeks

If he had remained healthy, he very likely would have been the RF’er for most of this year. Different ending, different situation all around….

by cds7c on Oct 13, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind, it looks like he was further back.

I thought he was about the same level as Kalish/Reddick.

by cds7c on Oct 13, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not counting Westmoreland out yet. I have no inside info or anything but dude is driven.

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by Matthew Kory on Oct 13, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly is.

But it’s a long, long road. I think people were a little overly optimistic about him though at the start of the season when in all likelihood he wasn’t going to see the field this year, as evidence of him even making the top 20 prospect lists.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 13, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not done on him

if he makes it to A+ ball next year I say he makes the majors.

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by TheLoneDavid on Oct 13, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so too.

But first he has to make it back to ball period.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 13, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

On balance.......

a great GM. Wish he hadn’t left; but Cherington was a great and natrual choice to step up.

by havildar on Oct 13, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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