The Real Adrian Tradeoff
by Scoo Cat on Jan 5, 2011 11:32 PM EST
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Now that Adrian Beltre has signed with the Rangers can't we look at the actual trade off the Red Sox made. In all likely hood the Red Sox will get Texas's first round pick and a supplementary pick. Therefore in the Adrian Gonzalez trade we actually got Adrian Gonzalez, Texas's first round pick, and a supplementary for Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Raymind Fuentes, and Eric Patterson. In all reality if they had not traded for Gonzo they would have had to sign a third baseman, who probably would have been Beltre. I think Theo made off like a bandit in this deal, and am just wondering other people's opinion.
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We will see..
The Sox are taking a risk with the Crawford signing and the Gonzalez trade. I think Gonzalez will need some time for readjustment… The good thing is both are in the prime of their career, and both top notch players…
Theo like any GM has made some mistakes, but he is still ahead. He also seems to fixed on certain players like Clement and Gonzalez. He had a huge crush on Ordóñez for a couple years.
crawford and gonzalez
is going to be as low risk moves as possible. gonzalez is getting off the plane raking in fenway park be prepared for mvp awards .
You can't sign a player for seven years
and say it’s a low-risk move, it’s not at all.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Particularly a player who was just injured.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Crawford is hardly a low risk move...
If Crawford is a bust, there is no way to move him. If there are problems in the clubhouse, they are going to remain big problems..
I am glad that the Sox got Crawford, not at the price, which appears $40 million more than the next bidder, (Angels) but we defanged the Rays, and kept him away from a team that could had used his left field talents: the MFY, and improved our line up. I)
ok so what proof do you have that crawford is going to be a bust??
there isnt anythingthat says bust for crawford. i said low risk not no risk. crawford prime years re begining and all his stats are going upward for the most part. 142 million is a lot of money but angels supposed 108 million offer wasnt getting it done like it or not fact is crawfords bidding started at 127 the second werths deal went public. crawford is a guy that will hit 300 his homers are going into the 20s and will steal 50 plus steals not to mention 15 triples 30 plus doubles. he had over 60 extra base hits last year. he can hit leadoff 2nd 3rd or 5th . not to mention a gold glover who i have read nothing but good stuff about carl in the clubhouse as well. carl has very few holes in his game and yes is as low risk of a player on a 7 years deal as possible.
I completely adgree
He plays the entire game. Watching the hall of fame voting their giving alot of love to Robbie Alomar and Barry Larkin two plays who similar to Crawford, Hit, run, field, hit for power, and average. The Red Sox made the right move signing a player who plays the complete game.
by Slap Baseball on Jan 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I can't predict the future...
As much as stats are important in baseball, there are the unknown variables. I didn’t say that Crawford will be a bust, I wrote if Crawford is a bust, “if” as in a hypothetical, then the Sox are going to have a burden.
I guess I am not a big fan of long term deals. I kind of admire Theo for drawing the line on certain players, let’s say for Victor Martinez, who’s bat is going to be missed, (especially against the southpaws) but in the long run, it was wise in backing off from a Victor Martinez deal.
I know Crawford stats. His achilles heel is his walks rate and the same OBP as NIck Swisher. However, he is a top notch player, he will improve the Sox in many aspects. he will probably even help with the pitching stats because of his defense.
My point is that this is a big contract, and for a risk management perspective, there aren’t many emergency exits if this things blows. The Sox couldn’t move Crawford if the contract turns out to be a Vernon Wells deal. I doubt Crawford turn out to be like that, but the Sox are taking a big risk, not just the money but the years.
There is a reason why the Sox couldn’t move one of the best right hand hitters in history of MLB (ie Manny) and pretty much no team wanted Manny’s contract.
manny was a different animal
every 7 year deal is a risk. gonzalez and crawford are as low risk as possible for 7 year big money deals. without risk there is no reward
Crawford almost busted it up his first day.
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What proof do you have that Crawford ISN'T going to be a bust??
None?
Hence, risk.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
go to baseball reference.com
type in carl crawford and look at about 8 years of stats.
No one can predict the next year, no one can predict the next 7, tomorrow he could get out of bed wrong and develop an injury that will affect him for the rest of his life. Likely? No, but very possible. 7 year deals entail a ton of risk and rarely do they ever work out in favor of the club in the end. We have no idea how he will age, how a loss of step is going to affect his game.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
ok go to bostonherald.com
read todays article about him and how hard he works and how dedicated he is on getting better. and if that isnt enough i dont know what is. every player in sports is a injury risk just like i could get hit by a bus the next time i cross a street. there is always risk in multi year deals but a superstar outfielder going into his prime that averages approx 150 games a year is as low risk as possible.
Not when his entire game is about speed
and he’s been playing 75 games for eight years on concrete. He’s got serious concerns about his knees.
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hahaha
entire game is about speed i guess that is the light hitting all star outfielder . sure bad knees.
Again, I have yet to see you make a single valid point about Crawford.
playing in the Trop has come very close to ruining his knees.
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nor have you
you called him a light hitting outfielder. you obv dont know much about him. carl crawfords no david dejesus. now there is masher.
When did I ever say that DeJesus was better than Crawford?
I said that paying DeJesus 36 million dollars over four years was better than paying Crawford, a player who has never hit 20 home runs, who makes his living with his speed, and who has had injuries to his knees, 140 million dollars over 7 years.
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you really dont know much about carl crawford
he hit over 60 extra base hits last year had almost 500 slugging percantage. he has amazing speed but has so much more. and please show me some links of this mysterious knee problems he has ? show me some proof ? and your talking about crawford getting hurt dejesus gets hurt way way way more often then carl. carl averages 146 games a year in 8 full seasons. dejesus has played over 146 in a season once. you aare 100 percent wrong on carl crawford sorry to have to break it to you.
I pulled up the first site I could find
turns out he has not only knee issues, but wrist issues as well. If he can’t run and can’t hit in the next couple years, then what?
http://raysrenegade.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/carl_crawfords_wrist_and_knees_1.html
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yup that was 2008
since then he has played 154 and 156 games the next 2 seasons. you are just making up reasons to not like crawford. but hey thats your right as a fan. you do not know what you are talking about. have a good weekend.
2008 was two years ago
it’s also not the first year that happened. You’re making up reasons to ignore Crawford’s injury history, but hey, that’s your right as a fan. You do not know what you’re talking about, have a good weekend.
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hahaha
wow good one. in the next 2 years he had 2 all star seasons won a gold glove. hows crawfords midsection is he chiseled enough to play left field?
Gold Gloves? Really?
I’m not going to argue with you if you’re going to use All Star selections and Gold Gloves as evidence. Next you’ll be talking about RBIs.
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good dont argue with me
you are wrong anyway.
he played good defense
now the gold glove isn’t a good argument, but a gold glove also doesn’t mean that he played bad defense.
i was just implying
after getting injured in 2008 he had 2 very good seasons in a row 154 and 156 games each. his stats speak for themselves lonedavid considers him a light hitting outfielder so i should consider the other side to this debate.
I know it doesn't
but that’s like saying getting 90 RBI doesn’t mean you’re a bad hitter. It really doesn’t have any bearing at all. Especially because Jeter was in the same GG class.
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yeah your right
i guess theo is in the business of giving 142 million dollar 7 year deals to i quote you " light hitting egotistical outfielder with bad knees. i would much rather theo gone after chase headley and david dejesus than carl crawford and adrian gonzalez….. wow
You're putting words in my mouth.
I never said the Sox should have gotten Chase Headley over Gonzo. Four years of David Dejesus would provide a stopgap solution while the Sox’ surplus of cheap outfield talent developed in the minors. Between Kalish, Reddick, Lin, Westy and Vitek (who is a 3B, but may have to move to the outfield) I have trouble believing the Sox can’t fill that hole cheaply. Frankly, you are an idiot wearing rose-colored glasses, and I am done here.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
wow hahahahaha
. i will refrain on the name calling have a good one.
You've missed the point entirely I fear
And that is there is no such thing as low risk when talking about a 7 year deal. Inherently, no matter who, no matter where, they are very risky. Crawford as you say may be “as low a risk as possible” but that is still very risky, because it’s a 7 year deal, especially at a position we didn’t necessarily need to sign a super star to.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
i guess i did
agree to disagree. we shall see how it unfolds over the next 7 years. i am betting in the long run craford lives up to the deal.
Find a bunch of articles about ball players who AREN'T dedicated.
It’s PR crap, you have to say the right things. It’s tough to fight age, a few can, Cameron for example. It doesn’t matter who it is, Dustin Pedrioa, Kevin Youkilis, Jon Lester, 7 years is the risk.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
white flag
i give up your right. no one said it was NO risk. i said it AS LOW RISK as POSSIBLE. all multi year deals are risky try signing a superstar in his prime to a deal for less then 7 years. its the way the system works . all star outfielder gold glove defense in his prime . i dont get what the big deal is here.
Knee injuries, low power
twenty million dollars per year, a bad medical staff. It’s kind of a big deal.
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wow
i give up. with all due respect you dont know what you are talking about. yeah i think theo didnt check out carls health before signing him to a 7 year deal and 142 million. check please
I just looked over his record and over his career
I’m seeing a total of three days he missed due to a knee injury, in 2006. Now turf certainly isn’t ideal, but it isn’t concrete, it’s not what turf used to be. We’re also talking a long-term contract, but we aren’t talking the usual long-term contract that takes a player until he is 37-or 38, we’ll see him leaving at 35.
The $20 million a year does make it huge risk, but at least a young, athletic player is relatively low risk for a huge 7 year contract. I expect the Sox will probably regret this contract by the end of it, but for now at least, he should be a huge asset to the team and all indications are that there is no reason he shouldn’t be very successful for now.
He missed a lot of games in 2008
with a variety of knee, hamstring, and wrist injuries.
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that article you posted above specifically said
his knee hurt at one point, so they took an MRI and found no damage. Yes, he’s been injured before, most players have at some point.
It's Field Turf
It is still artificial turf, but it has much more cushioning and dampening than Astro Turf. One has to replace all the silica and sand in the turf, which wears away. There is more cushioning than Astro Turf.
Any long term deal, the last years are going to be regrettable when the player has very obvious weaknesses that can’t be covered up. Much like Jeter’s numbers were helped in 2009 by playing in Coors Park East, when they have been declining, and even the New Yankee Stadium couldn’t cover up the decline in 2010.
I....I....
…..thought this post was about Adrian Gonzalez….
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I did.
But certainly not for 6/96
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Ya...
Wow is that bad. Texas will regret that one someday, no doubt.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Why?
Explain why that is any worse than 7/142 for Crawford.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Age
Beltre enters his age 32 year, meaning the contract covers his age 32-37 years assuming the 6th year vests. Crawford is entering his age 29 year meaning the contract covers his 29-35 years. Basically the Sox get Crawford’s age 29, 30, 31 seasons whereas the Rangers do not get that value out of Beltre.
In terms of per year money they are probably a wash, however as Crawford is probably about a 1-1.5 win better player than Beltre (1 win ~ 4 million).
The way Beltre keeps himself in shape
reminds me of Mike Cameron, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still putting up between 3 and 4 WAR at the end of his contract, and with the difference in salary, I think the contract’s a wash. Hope I’m proven wrong, but I really don’t like the Crawford signing.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I just feel the Sox could have gotten more value
By spending 4/36 or something similar on DeJesus, then using the other 13 million per year improving other parts of the team. Sign a decent 3B, pick up a good 4th OFer, grab a new 5th starter in 2013. Sign a DH in 2014. 13 million goes a long way.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
wow
4 -36 for dejesus is awful crawford is a all star gold glove outfielder in his prime. sign a decent 3b we have a better than decent 3b in his prime . and your worried about money with adrian only getting 6 million this year and a lot of money coming off the books next year money isnt a concern for this team in future years of free agency. carl crawford was the best offensive defensive player on the market and he is in his prime and getting better every year. he is a guy that will hit 300 plus his homers are getting into the 20s and steal 60 bases a year while collecting gold gloves in the outfield. crawford is as low risk as u can get for a player and gonzalez same thing. i am pretty sure theo plans for the future prob better than any gm in baseball he knows whats going on.
Let's answer these then.
1) DeJesus is a tier-2 outfielder, he’ll put up about 4 WAR a season, which is worth 14 million dollars. He will not get paid above 9 million per season.
2) Youkilis is an average 3B, there are better than average third basemen to be had for very little money.
3) I’m worried about spending money wisely. I don’t want to contribute 22 million dollars to a player with ego issues and a light bat who’s going to play half his games in a tiny-ass left field.
4) Money is a concern for every team, even the Yankees. The Sox ceiling is about 170 million, which is nice, but I think they can be equally competitive with a 150 million payroll, using that extra 20 million on scouts, the draft, and international free agents.
5) Carl Crawford may have been the best offensive player on the market, but it’s not a low risk to sign him for seven years. Ask Tony C, Jason Schmidt, Mike Lowell, or any number of other players about career-ending injuries.
6) I don’t disagree that Theo plans well for the future, but even he can make mistakes coughLugocough
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
1) DeJesus has never put up a 4 WAR season. He was on pace to do it this year, but was hurt. That’s about it. Not sure why he would start doing in during his age 32 season either (his age when he can be a FA).
2. That’s fair, but it’s not like Youk is super expensive at this point. He’ll earn $12m in 2011 and 2012 and has a $13m option. That’s a good deal for what he gives you.
3. What ego issues are you referencing here? He’s already said he’s over the Lead-Off vs. Hitting Later issue and he’ll be able to cover more ground to his left to help compensate for Ellsbury’s reads.
4. As far as I know, there’s no correlation between how much the Sox spend on the major league roster and how much they spend in player development. They had a very high payroll last year and still managed to spend a bunch in the draft. A high payroll won’t stop them from spending the necessary money for prospects and scouting.
5. Any player can have a career-ending injury at any point. Beltre can have one, Youk can have one, etc. Crawford is reputed to be something of a workout warrior and seems to keep himself in good shape.
6. All GM’s make mistakes, no one is perfect, etc. Lugo was the wrong deal but at the very least it never tied up more than $9m in terms of the budget, which while still a lot it’s not like we’re paying for Barry Zito or Vernon Wells here.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 6, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying he will have an injury
I’m saying it’s not a low-risk move to sign Crawford for seven years.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
its as low risk as low risk gets
for ANY player getting 7 year deal.
Not even remotely true.
He may be a workout warrior, but he’s had knee issues, he’ll be playing left field next to Ellsbury, who we’ve established has issues calling people off the ball, he plays in front of a giant wall made out of metal. This is a risky signing.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
yes ellsbury had issues
playing the 6th game in left playing with a new 3b.
that is an oxymoron...
The Sox are locked up for seven years, probably more years with some deferred payments spread after the contract is over, but there are risks involved, and the risks probably increase rather than decrease as the contract progresses.
wow
1. dejesus is nowhere near the player crawford .
2. youkilis is average defensive 3b add in his offense and please show me how many 3b on the market match up and please do not say chase headley.
3. ego issues ? really joe maddon raves about crawford in the clubhouse. when crawford was young on a young rays team yes he had some immature times but the guy has grown up.
4 light hitting ???? u consider crawford light hitting. crawford hit 300 last year 19 homers 30 doubles 13 triples thats 62 extra base hits almost a .500 slugging percantage and mixed 47 steals.
5 season ending injuries happen but guess what u cant predict thema nd u cant let them hinder u from signing carl freaking crawford in his prime!!!!!
your right to your opinion but all i can say is WOW
1. No, he’s not, but he also wouldn’t be paid 20 million dollars per season
2. Youkilis won’t be average for long, and if we’re paying for his bat, then there’s a perfectly good DH slot for him. I, for one, would like to see no hits to the left side, which is what we should expect from Crawford in the the outfield, if the Sox sign someone with plus defense in the mold of Beltre, then we can reasonably expect pitchers to have a BABIP around the mendoza line to the left side.
3. He won’t lead off, he won’t play center field, before he signed, he was demanding to hit third… ego issues.
4. Maybe I’ve been spoiled by Manny, but yes, light hitting.
5. You said it was a low risk signing, signing someone to a long-term deal is always, always, ALWAYS a high risk signing. ESPECIALLY when you’re paying him nearly 150 million dollars. Remember, everyone thought Vernon Wells was the second coming of Willie Mays when he signed his deal, look at him now.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 6, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
1. who cares about money ?? please stop did the signing of crawford stop us from signing jenks wheeler or anyone else we tried to sign?? no it did not we have a ton of money coming off the books next year and the year after. please let theo worry about the amount of money they spend.
2. i dont even know what to say anymore youre expectations for defense at 3b is beyond me and i will just say again youk is a average to above average defensive 3b.
3. please provide a link where crawford said he wont lead off or play center field for the boston red sox???? he has no ego issues he did when he was 20 guess what he grew up.
4 light hitting i think maybe you should look at crawfords stats he has put up. he isnt a masher power guy but light hitting is a totally ignorant word to use when describing carl crawford at the plate . he had a higher slugging percantage thean mark texiera last year. he had 62 extra base hits papi had 69 .
5 and isaid as low risk as POSSIBLE. 7 year deals are risky but for all star gold glove outfielders in the prime of his career its as low risk as possible.
i hate to say someones wrong about something but u might wanna re think your stance on crawford.
1. Nor should he. He’s simply not as good
2. Youkilis probably won’t be average, but we won’t know that until he actually gets a full season over there.
3. He will lead off, and he’s a better left-fielder than a center-fielder anyway, and I don’t remember anywhere where he “demanded” that he be hitting 3rd in the lineup. It’s not like there aren’t others on this team who have made it known they dislike certain things, such as hitting lead-off.
4. Compared to Manny in his prime just about all of our options are “light hitting”. You may just be spoiled.
5. Fact is, you’re going to pay more for wins as you move up. Teams close to the playoffs (or at least perceive themselves to be) will pay per win to get them there than a .500 or below team. Contracts like these are almost always overpays simply because very few players are really worth that kind of money. But they get paid that way anyway because of the perceived value of moving from 95 wins to 97 rather than moving from 80 to 85.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 6, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of your arguments here just seem plain unreasonable to me.
1. you appear to think that Dejesus is much better than he is or has been, and will be even better as he is older. He has put up 15.6 WAR more than DeJesus since DeJesus entered the majors and is two years younger. Crawford is worth a ton more and should continue to be, being younger and a better athlete.
2. you haven’t seen what Youk will do. Yes, there is good reason to believe he won’t be a good defensive third baseman for long based on his body, but let’s see it first. You keep sounding as if we’re playing Adam Dunn over there in the hot corner and he needs to be replaced immediately. There aren’t players in the mold of Beltre available- Beltre was; personally I think his contract is a lot stupider and riskier than Crawford’s (which does carry plenty of risk). If there is a need for a third baseman, why do you think this means that they won’t have the money to do it anyways? There is still a good chunk of money coming off after next season and hopefully some young guys to fill a couple of positions cheaply.
3. This is just untrue. Watch his press conference, he’s actually said he is over those things. I’ve never heard of him demanding to hit third.
4. I just don’t know what to say. In baseball, he had the 6th highest wOBA for a left fielder, and that includes guys like Huff, who really played first most of the time. Hell, he had the 8th highest ISO.
5. you’re right on here. Tons of risk. Chances are that he’ll at least be a quite valuable player, but anything could happen.
by wolf9309 on Jan 6, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100% about point #2.
Can’t stress that strongly enough.
There is reason to be concerned about how he’ll hold up at third, sure. But there is no reason to declare with 100% certainty that he will bomb, stink, suck, blow, or be below average. I’m very interested to see how he does.
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I personally think Youk is going to be fine.
Youk is the kind of driven player who won’t be satisfied unless he is playing elite defense there.
Contrary to what some people here seem to think Youk is a very fit, agile athlete. He is not a 1B in the mold of Ray Balboni. If you ever get a chance to see Youk live, up close, you realize he’s built more like a linebacker. He wears his uniform baggy and has a thick pudgy face. But he is not fat.
He came up as a 3B. As recently as 2008 he posted well-above average defensive numbers there. Leave him there full time and I think he’s going to excell.
I am not in the least worried about Youk’s 3B defense, barring injury.
You're ruining my campaign for Chase Headley you know.
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I didn't show you his hit chard laid over Fenway, I can't figure out how to post it.
It is a thing of beauty, not as nice at Adrian’s but still drool-worthy.
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clarify
2) Youk is a slightly above-average defensive 3B (based on his career UZR. As recently as 2008 he was above average.) and a WAY above average offensive 3B because, well he hits like an above average 1B.
From 2008-2010
Youkilis: .964 OPS; wOBA: .411
Best 3B:* .914 OPS; wPBA: .393
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 7, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
And by "best" I mean...
… “best offensive third baseman statistically,” which was the context of the conversation. He’s also the best at slapping effeminately at people trying to tag him out, hooking up with trannies, making out with his reflection in the mirror and impersonating a centaur.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 7, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
I agree in a way
I just think the Crawford deal has less risk, due to age/consistency factor
It’s entirely likely that both players will play to their value
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