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Anyone Else Frightened By Red Sox Catching Situation

I look at this Red Sox offense and I don't really see the need for an overly offensive catcher, The Sox need a catcher who's priority is defense.

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      Salty's appeal to teams is his ability to hit not catch and although, Jason Varitek had been a great catching option in the past, his knees are terrible now and thus, has turned into an awful catching option for everyday use.

      The Red Sox need a catcher that can play a role similar to how Joe Giardi literally provided only a sturdy backstop for the very much successful but hated 1998 Yankees. A nether guy that embodies the kind of catcher the Sox need is Mike Matheny. Matheny did a solid job as backstop for the Cardinals when the Sox played them in the2004 World Series. Last year, the thing that erked me the most about the Red Sox was not the inconsistent bullpen, but rather the way opposing teams treated the basepaths like a horse race; stolen base attempt after stolen base attempt almost uncontested by the ex-Red Sox catcher, Victor Martinez. Please comment and tell me if you share the same uneasiness I do about the Red Sox catching situation.

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How Should The Red Sox Handle Their Catcher Situation?
Dont worry go ahead with Salty
40 votes
Let Jason Varitek split time
26 votes
Add a veteran from free agency
14 votes
Try to make a trade for a better defensive catcher
46 votes

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With all the moves Theo made, the Red Sox have the luxury of being able to give Salty a shot. I was upset at the Tek move, but once I saw what the Red Sox did in LF and 1B, I got over it pretty quick. I have no objection to Varitek as the backup, but we will see him quite a bit I think.

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by gizmosandy on Jan 2, 2011 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

Im waiting for LoneStar to come and say...

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 2, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Gizmo Sandy You Make Some Good Points

However, Salty has an unproven track record and if he isn’t reliable behind the plate that can hurt us much more then him having struggles at the plate. Him handling our All-Star pitching staff concerns me. Although, V-mart was no gem behind the plate he was an experienced major league pitch caller.

by Slap Baseball on Jan 2, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

you don't know what you have in Salty till he gets his shot.

These moves we have made, will enable him to get just that.

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by gizmosandy on Jan 2, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

True

It allows us a chance to see if we maybe stumbled on our Catcher of the Future without taking too big a risk thanks to the rest of the team being absolutely ridiculous.

And if it doesn’t turn out, there’s always trades.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 2, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm EXTREMELY happy that we didn't trade Clay Buchholz for Salty in 08

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 2, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

+1

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 2, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm completely comfortable with Salty

Honestly, if they guy can hit 250., hit 10-15 bombs, and provide solid defense then i’m totally satisfied. Thats all well within the realm of expectation, and lest we forget this is a guy who was regarded as one of the top catching prospects in all of baseball just 2 or 3 years ago. Hes still just 25 and history has shown us that, sometimes, it takes a young catchers a bit longer to develop. I like his swing in Fenway, and I love the fact that we have two switch hitting options at catcher in such a lefty heavy lineup. I think Salty may surprise a lot of people. If he does struggle we do have the pieces to acquire a veteran backstop, especially with 4 picks in the top 50 in the draft this year which would bolster any of the young prospects we would hypothetically lose.

by ritz on Jan 2, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Solid defense is probably outside said realm.

He is a solidly below-average defender.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 3, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

There are a few catchers I'd rather have than Salt.

There are even a couple of them who could be had for a reasonable price. That being said, Theo seems like he’s committed to Jarrod for the forseeable future, at least until Louie or Lavarnway is ready to come up from the minors. I guess I feel the same way that I do about Gonzo and Crawford. I didn’t want them on the team, I felt like the Sox should have gone in a different direction, but now that they’re here, I fully support them and I want them to do well. I didn’t want Salt to be the catcher for the Red Sox, I feel like they should go grab someone else, but if this is Theo’s decision I will support it, and I really hope Jarrod proves him right.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 2, 2011 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

didnt want gonzalez and crawford ?

what direction did u want to go ? cause anything else would be down from aquiring the 2 best offensive and defensive players ont he market.

by brady12mvp3 on Jan 3, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Re-Sign Beltre, trade for Ianetta, fix the bullpen.

With Youkilis and Rizzo in the fold, I didn’t see a need for Gonzo, and the Sox already had a starting outfield, thus no need for Crawford. I still don’t want Crawford, I think he’s incredibly overrated. Beltran, DeJesus, and Bautista are all free agents next year, and I believe that at least Beltran and DeJesus would have been better investments than Crawford was. That being said, now that Crawford’s here, I hope he proves me wrong.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 3, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

wow , your right to your opinion

agree to disagree i guess. but not even close gonzalez and crawford and a revamped bullpen is light years better than signing beltre ianetta and bullpen. and crawford is way way way way better than beltran dejesus and bautista not even close.

by brady12mvp3 on Jan 3, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't disaree that they're better players.

Although I do believe that Beltran is better than Crawford. I think the Sox could have signed Beltre for less than Texas is now signing him for, he seemed generally interested in coming back. Ianetta would have been more of a sure thing than Salty, and you have to remember that the Sox won 89 games last year with almost that same roster and massive injuries to a lot of key players. The way the team is currently put together is a 97-100 win team, which is awesome. The team I was expecting to be put together would have been a 95-97 win team without committing 150 million dollars to a player who I don’t think is as good as everyone seems to believe.

I don’t want you to think I don’t like what Theo’s done. I think it’s awesome, and he’s definitely put together a team without any glaring weaknesses. Aside from Salty, everyone on the team has a track record of success. The fact that they have the majority of the roster signed through 2013 is great as well. I simply thought they were going to go in quite frankly a cheaper direction. I didn’t think Theo was going to trade Kelly or Rizzo, and I definitely didn’t see him handing out 150 million to Carl Crawford.

So yes, I thought, and wanted him to go in a different direction. I didn’t want Youkilis at first or a player who’s value comes mainly from his defense to play in front of the Monster. I don’t want Scutaro starting or Jarrod to be the every day catcher. Hell, I don’t want Papelbon to be the closer, and I certainly don’t want Ellsbury in center field. But the team looks great, and I really can’t complain when I look over the roster.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 3, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna agree that Beltran was a better player than Crawford has or will be

but I’m gonna bet strongly against him ever being close to as good as Crawford in any year from now on.

by wolf9309 on Jan 3, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of opportunity to give Salty a chance

If he fails like some people think he we, I personally don’t think he will fail I think he will be a pretty solid player for us, then we make a move to correct it during the year.

by totheights on Jan 3, 2011 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

At first, he scared the crap out of me

As Gizmo said at the top, after everything else that has happened this offseason, I’m more than happy to give him one more chance in the majors and see if he can do it- he’s been working hard this offseason and pretty much everyone knows that if he can’t do it now, this is probably his last legitimate shot at a starting job in the majors. There’s a decent chance he’ll be awful and we’ll have to find some replacement before the year is up, but he’s worth a shot just because the lineup is so stacked and there’s a chance that he might be able to live up to his potential.

by wolf9309 on Jan 3, 2011 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

I still feel we should have grabbed Martin

Especially at $4Mil. I think he had way more potential for upside, and that’s not a lot of money, comparatively. That said, I’m not as gloom and doom as I once was and am willing to give him some rope.

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by Bloggy on Jan 3, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

yup I won't deny I wanted Martin the whole time

if for no other reason than because with two of them, there was a greater chance that one wouldn’t suck. But hey, can’t have it all.

by wolf9309 on Jan 3, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I should point out, though

that every time Martin gets a big hit against us, I’m going to be completely insufferable.

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by Bloggy on Jan 3, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand

If Martin continues to be lousy, it will be funny!

by Sologub on Jan 3, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be more pissed

if he’s throwing out our runners regularly.

by superdaveyboy on Jan 4, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Salty has shown the baseball equivalent

of JACK SQUAT in his time in the bigs, where as Martin is a mere 2 years removed from being an exceptional catching talent, and that there is evidence to show that his decline was based largely on being overworked. It’s hard to fathom him being “over the hill” at 25/26.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jan 3, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He could have bad knees

I really dont know if he does but being 25/26 does not preclude serious injuries. Many top athletes have shorten careers bc of leg/back problems. Laphonzo Ellis? 2 knee surgeries and a broken Achilles tendon before age 27.

by SoxAcumen on Jan 3, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He could have bad knees

but I don’t remember reports of bad knees.

We’ll see how he does this year, but just had a strong feeling that if you gave him proper rest with Tek that you’d have a pretty productive catcher position.

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by Bloggy on Jan 3, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Beats the pants off of

Giving long-term, big-money deals to the likes of John Buck, Miguel Olivio, etc.

by BobZupcic on Jan 3, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

for sure

embrace the martian
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by BoldandBrash on Jan 3, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

For the Re-signing of Beltre

Is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever read on paper. The thing is Beltre has always done well every couple years. Signing the man to six-year deal would be the same mistake the Maininers made. Although, he does handle Boston well, I still think the moves the Red Sox made were much wiser. I do however, believe that eventually Gonzalaz should be our DH rather then Youk because believe it or not Youk actually puts up better fielding numbers at First Base. Last year he saved 4 runs opposed to Gonzalaz who saved none.

As for Russell Martin, I would have rather the Red Sox have signed A.J Pierzyinski instead of Martin . He came at a very reasonable price for the White Sox, but he may have just been honoring the team by accepting a team friendly deal. Pierzyinski’s defense is something that is very overlooked and he could have been an excellent backstop for the Sox. Anyway, the more I read here, the more comfortable I get about letting Salty get a chance despite his own defensive woes.

by Slap Baseball on Jan 3, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

The idea of having a 20 Million Dollar DH

makes me want to puke.

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by Bloggy on Jan 3, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

what fielding metric are you looking at?

not saying your wrong, just curious, I do agree that everything I’ve seen points to Youk being a better defender (though Gonzalez still being a great defender). I think the idea most people have behind moving Youk to DH in a couple of years is that he’ll be moved if his range is diminishing, in which case, he’ll probably be declining and not as good a defender as Adrian at that point. In any case it’s a little early to be worrying about that too much- first let’s see how he’s looking at third base with an offseason of preparing for it. Maybe he’ll be fine there through 2013.

by wolf9309 on Jan 3, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I am not concerned one bit about our catcher situation, but I hope if someone falls into the Sox lap, they make a move.

by SoxAcumen on Jan 3, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Well, Max Ramirez is potentially gettable now

Just DFAed by Texas. Was the prospect coming back in the almost-but-not-quite trade of Lowell last offseason.

by South Coast Ghost on Jan 3, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

triple platoon? Ramirez, Salty and VTek?

V tek is still good if Beckett is pitching or when he hits every once in a while

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 3, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

More likely he'd be the AAA backup instead of Wagner.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 3, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah not really viable

unless he hits FA and will sign a minor league contract.

No real chance.

by wolf9309 on Jan 4, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see him making the big-league roster though.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 4, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

right in which case the Sox would have to put him on waivers and have him agree to go to the minors if he passed through

I’d be thrilled if we could somehow maneuver him to be our AAA depth, but it doesn’t seem super-likely.

by wolf9309 on Jan 4, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

What was his percentage of thrown out runners?

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 3, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Ramirez?

Pretty bad. 17% in his 28 game 2010 sample. He (IIRC) is pretty much supposed to be an all-bat, no defense catcher, but the bat has yet to show up in the majors yet. Still, I expect the Sox will try to acquire him if they can and it’s cheap and easy- he has shown some quite good discipline, if he can just find his power, he could be quite the hitter. I don’t personally really expect Varitek to be a viable option by the end of the year and Salty is a huge question mark, so we could certainly use some depth at catcher. Believe Ramirez still has an option year left as well.

by wolf9309 on Jan 3, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Salty's

"I don't put any foreign substances on the baseball. Everything I use is from the good old U.S.A."

JVSM

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 3, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

To Wolf9309

The fielding metric system I use can be read in the 2011 Bill James Handbook. Adrien Gonzalez saved all of zero runs last year for the San Diego Padres, the same as Albert Pujols. As for Youk, he saved four making him a slightly above average defender. Daric Barton led the AL in saved runs and Ike Davis of the Mets led the NL.
The 20 Million DH sounds terrible as suggested by Bloggy, but at the back end of Gonzalez contract it may make sense. If he cannot hit well, and play first base at the same time, then the DH seems like an option. Gonzalez’s purpose for the Red Sox is actually 87 percent hitting the way I see it. Since baseball is only made up of 13 percent defense(also, according to Mr. James). We must persevere Gonzalez’s ability to hit in the 4 hole as long as possible.

by Slap Baseball on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fits at back up catcher...

Ryan Hanigan, Jeff Mathis, or Jose Molina are the most fitting. All are plus defenders!

by Slap Baseball on Jan 3, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

After you just say baseball is only 13 percent defense of course.

Make up your mind man! Make up your mind!

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 3, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Replies.

To Wolf9309…I was speaking hypothetically..the key word there is if. You are right nothing so far has indicated he will have any problem doing both but he is also 28 years old. At 28, Jim Thome handled first base and offensive obligations well. However, as he got older it became harder for him to maintain his great offensive statistics and play first base. DH helped preserve his career. That is the kind of thing I am suggesting.

TheLoneDavid…Catching has alot more impact then just “defense”.Catching’s impact is on the pitching staff,(which pitching is more important to the game then defense) that is what I’m more troubled by. Catcher has the responsibility to handle a pitching staff, but also make sure they have the ability to throw out runners and keep their pitcher from becoming overly paranoid about the runner. When a pitcher becomes overly paranoid they don’t make their pitch and the ball ends up over the fence. Sometimes making a bad pitch can be a credited to having a garbage catcher and there my friend is my fear. Not straight defense but the catchers effect on a pitching staff.

by Slap Baseball on Jan 4, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

I figured, I was sort of mocking the fact that you had the one post right after the other.

Also, if you hit the reply button under someone else’s post you can keep the comment section a little more organized.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 4, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Your Right

Okay I probably would have done the same. I’m new to the site so I appreciate the advice.

by Slap Baseball on Jan 4, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

I thought you might appreciate that as a Braves fan I remember when Salty came up as a to the bigs. His defense wasn’t spectacular, but he could handle a pitcher and was actually pretty decent at throwing out runners. This is of course when he first came up a number of years ago, and well before his well-documented case of the yips.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 6, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Pitching staff is the key...

If they are comfortable with him and he works in with the defense as it comes together, then I’m fine with the Salty dog.

by LETSGOREDSOX on Jan 11, 2011 5:54 AM EST reply actions  

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