Game 11,000,000: Rays @ Red Sox -- September 7, 2010
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT
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PrintTampa Bay Rays at Boston Red Sox, Sep 7, 2010 7:10 PM EDT
Win by 8 this time or don't bother.
Oh, wait, this is the matchup?
Never mind then...
Scoot is back, despite "tears" showing up in the MRI. None of the young'uns except Lowrie, either. Sad.
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and because of that
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
Please tell me Francona isn't giving Kalish the Drew treatment.
because of that, I’m not watching.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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Holiday's over. Back to the grind.
Must watch baseball.
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
ESPN has just named Fatman Cy Young.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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Is anybody surprised?
And he celebrates by giving up 3 ER in the first.
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
I'd go with Felix or Lee.
can’t go wrong
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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Even with Lee's struggles lately?
Shouldn’t it be Felix?
Lester’s three straight starts with 10Ks are solid too… but no consideration for Buchholz, pending the way he finishes the season?
It should be Felix, but he won't get it because he isn't the media darling.
Grienke was too good last year, so they HAD to give it to him.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
Having less than twice as many Ks as walks is a no-no.
Clay has been good, but also very lucky.
Lee, for comparison, has a RIDICULOUS 13 K:BB.
WHAT IS THAT?
USG
The guy is F'ing terrible.
not enough wins
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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sarcasm about Lee
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
I have him on my Fantasy Team...
So, just looking at his struggles over the last month there… statistically. I realize you can absorb a bad start or two over the season, but the last 30 days?
29.1 innings of 8.28 ERA and 1.60? Doesn’t that knock him out of the race??
It's important to consider
How those runs actually scored.
Maybe the voters won’t consider FIP and xFIP, but I certainly will.
USG
Yeah... I'm looking at stats.
But I haven’t seen the games, so not aware of the hard luck runs scored. I’m still learning my sabermetrics, so haven’t looked at those either.
My problem with FIP is
that it’s on an ERA scale. I know it only takes into account HR, BB, K,. I know ERA is a bad stat, but it’s a better representation of what actually happened, not what should have happened. I’d prefer to use BB/9, HR/9, or K/9 instead of FIP. MVPs of other sports don’t try to neutralize the other player’s on the field. I just don’t like the way FIP is presented because people have the tendency to say this is what should have been, but that didn’t happen.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
I'd say that's more xFIP
So ERA is only a matter of “what happened” more than “what should have happened” in terms of runs. That’s it.
FIP is more a matter of “what happened” over “what should have happened” in actual pitching performance. He DID strike out these guys, he DID keep the free passes down, he DID keep the ball in the park.
We’re saying the same thing, basically, just different interpretations of its meaning.
USG
If you believe wins are a real baseball stat that actually has correlation to quality of
pitching, you are an idiot,and I don’t respect any of your opinions about baseball. Wins are completely bullshit and useless. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that, just some common sense.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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3-1
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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the FO is preparing to pick up Ortiz's option, if that means anything.
What is the number one thing you want to happen this offseason? I’d go with trade for Iannetta, or don’t sign Crawford or Werth.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
No Crawford?
Is that due to declining skills, having to overpay, his affiliation with the Devil Rays… or because of the plethora of outfield talent we have waiting in the wings?
All of that probably.
He is better than Ellsbury in the sense that he has more power. We haven’t seen what Ells can do in LF for a full year in order to compare him with Crawford. So because of that, I think that Ells can make it close enough to be worth it because of his contract. I have heard that Crawford’s skill will age gracefully, but I don’t believe that. Do you want to be paying Crawford 16-17 mil, 3, 4, or 5 years from now?
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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hi
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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Gonna make this quick and simple...
First off: Hello
Second Off: Fuck the Yankees
Third: Fuck the Rays
Fourth: Fuck the Yankees
Fifth: Go Sox
Ok, goin to get dinner.
When does the AFL start?
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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Having to track on MLB.com
Today, the MLB Network chose between Chi Sox and Tigers or Rays and Red Sox… and I lost. They were showing the Sox vs. Tigers game, so I’m watching these hits as described on MLB Gameday… was Hall misplaying them?
Well, I'm a bit far out west...
… but 9/10 times out here I get the Red Sox… but I did get them yesterday, so maybe that’s why?
I got them yesterday, too.
Unless the Tigers or White Sox have claimed Vegas, too, I should be listening to the game on XM.
Dice K looks like Snookie from Jersey Shore
And sucks just as much
Chris almighty
I leave the topic for a minute and you guys can’t help but get into a bar fight, can ya?
USG
Christ?
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or maybe Chris Iannetta: 2011 Red Sox catcher ;)
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Fatass just gave up another HR
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It's too bad because Penny was the only kinda fat person.
I really really really hate Lackey, but fatass doesn’t really fit.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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The A's have selected Hermida's contract.
Thanks for the laugh, MLB Network, I needed it.
MLBN announcers have fallen into the time machine
Yes, players were different in the past, and they played for crazy organizations like the Colt 45s. Announce the game on the field.
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dont get a hard on now ben
i knwo youre frustrated…but lets keep the power trips to a minimum
This looks like the old Dice
Paint myself into a corner, then magically get out of it.
Come on… wave the magic wand.
This defense might be kinda good.
2012
C- anybody but Vic
1B- Youk
2B- Pedroia
SS- Iglesias
3B- Beltre
LF-Kalish
CF-Lin
RF-Reddick
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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A lot of ? there
Only Pedroia and Youk are reliable/have proven they can mash consistently.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
No doubt
But considering that’s four home grown guys who haven’t really done anything in the majors yet, it was all speculation to begin with.
USG
Yeah
I was just trying to make the best possible defensive team that actually has a realistic chance of happening.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
I don'k now how bad that would be considering it would be 2012.
Let’s say the catcher is Iannetta and the DH is Lavarnway or some FA.
Lin
Pedroia
Youk
Lavarnway
Beltre
Reddick
Kalish
Iannetta
Iglesias
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
In a perfect world.
That’s:
.270/.380/.350
.280/.370/.475
.310/.400/.550
.280/.400/.500
.270/.340/.500
.300/.330/.500
.280/.390/.480
.230/.350/.450
.300/.330/.430
Or something like that.
But that’s quite unlikely I’d say for all that to turn out.
USG
He doesn't play defense
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
I think he was talking defense...
… that’s not the batting order, which with Ortiz’ option, gives us our DH.
good
we don’t need all this “what if” baloney
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
I blame this on...
… whomever answered the question in last night’s game thread about which Dice we’d get tonight.
That’s tempting fate to ask, or answer, out loud.
Farrell to Dice-K:
THROW A GOD DAMNED STRIKE.
I'm somewhat concerned
That no matter what happens, we’ll end up getting most excited about Jeter’s contract extension this offseason.
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So, OTM
I’ve got enough cash to order Chinese tonight. But only enough cash. And I won’t have a credit card until tomorrow. And then that’s only if things go smoothly at the bank and I get it there (just a reissuing of a lost one).
Should I order?
USG
Hmmm.
I’d go for it, but moreso for General Tso’s.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
no
I’m frugal, and personally not a fan of chinese
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
or borrow a couple bucks?
Im assuming u have friends/roomates
Chinese?
You referring to food, or prostitutes?
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
So this is food related, vaguely
I was at Kelly’s the other day, and after ordering, the woman at the counter wrote our table number and a smiley face next to it, to give to the line cooks behind her.
Now, am I paranoid, or do you think she puts the smiley face on people who aren’t dickheads, so the line cooks don’t F up the food intentionally?
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
She puts the smiley face on orders from soccer fans.
You don’t want to know what the cook did.
;-)
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
so should we look at it like we got out of that with the least damage dicek could do :-(
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 7, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
Jeter's Contract...
… does MLB have any provisions that prevent the “legacy” style contract that the NHL has been doing? I mean, there’s obviously no salary cap, but with the luxury tax, couldn’t they sign him to an ambassador role (like the Rangers with Nolan Ryan… and Astros with Clemens??) and offer him some value beyond what they have to list as his player’s salary?
how many wins as a red sox ?
want to break it down as in how much we payed per. win ? :-(
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 7, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I HOPE DICE K GET'S AUDITED by the I.R.S
!#$%^&*(*&^%$#$%^*()_(*&^%$#! $HIT HEAD!
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 7, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Did no one tell the pitchers
that a “run prevention defense” includes them?
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
Does this new guy...
… well, I was going to ask if he did anything but walk guys, but apparently he cannot throw to the bases any better than he throws to the catcher.
usually it's the other way around
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
thank god
dont have to listen to the torturous what-if scenarios anymore.
I love it
Even if the Sox were tied with TB right now, I doubt they would make it. When minor leaguers are better than the current replacements, it’s time to pack it in.
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
going to be bad missing the playoffs this year, but it would be worse knowing my favorite team will be relocated in the next 5 years
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TB will finish behind Toronto and Baltimore next season
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2nd
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pretty sure it was 2nd behind the yankees
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Yeah... at first I thought the other...
But with all the time I have on my hands due to this interesting game, I was looking at it again and changed my mind.
Manuel is impressive
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Dirty
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pa i just went over my last two post's
they are not ment to sound like they do ………………….:-( sorry
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 7, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He's talking about our shitty pitchers
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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no i know that !
but go back and read my last two post’s ,and you will see what i mean
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 7, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
OTM policy: no raynecks allowed
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I think nothing?
They used Salty to replace Ortiz at DH… so even if Salty moves to C, then Varitek could become the DH? Or does that violate some rule for the DH position?
looks like it to me
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
Thanks... really wish MLB Network had...
… wait… nevermind.
And why am I still watching this on MLB’s Gameday? That is so messed up at one point it showed Navarro swapped back and forth from 2B-SS-2B-SS like 20 times.
well good night all
i have nothing else to say …………………….that should say a lot :-(
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 7, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
looking at box scores
it appears that this is the third consecutive appearance by Dustin Richardson in which he hasn’t gotten an out.
This requires an intervention.
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