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What we lost... what we "gained"

I'm here bored in my office, such is the life of an intern who works where they didn't have enough work for him to do in the first place.  I was thinking about our predicament and the current arguments, whether this is poor managing or injuries or both or what have you.  One post caught my mind, yes we're 2nd in the league in runs scored, but how many more or less would we have if the guys we had to start the season had finished it?

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Further more I thought, how would that impact our expected wins?  So after some work and number crunching this is what I've found.

 

First off, the method:

This is based off of wOBA, weighted on base average which is a pretty good measure of offensive impact.  This year according to fangraphs (the home of most of this data) the league wOBA is .337, which also happens to be the same as the league OBP, wOBA is scaled so league average OBP is equal to league average wOBA.  The method I found to turn wOBA into runs is to find runs above average.  This is done with the following formula:

( (player wOBA - league wOBA) / 1.15 ) * Plate appearances

I don't know how this was discovered but it's the formula I found.

I then went about calculating what our starters contributed this season until they were hurt and what they would have contributed if they had played out the season (scaled to their typical amount of PAs a year).  In Ellsbury's case his year's wOBA was affected by his injury so I used last year's number as more representative of what a healthy Ellsbury would be.  the difference between these numbers was calculated then.  I then calculated what each of the players who have seen decent starting time in their place has contributed this season.   The difference between the replacement production and what was lost is a rough indication of how many runs more or less we would have scored under a full season with these players healthy. 

This was then put into the pythagorean formula for winning percentage:

winning% = RunsScored^2 / (RunsScored^2 + RunsAllowed ^2)

To see what our expected winning percentage is. 

This is where I admit the first of several weak points in the study.  Given a poor selection of defensive statistics I think it would be inappropriate to calculate the defensive change in Runs Allowed over this time.  I would expect that our runs allowed would be much lower given more time played by our starters but small sample sizes diminish the ability to calculate the difference.

 

Onto the numbers:

-What we lost

Dustin Pedroia - in 351 PAs he racked up a .377 wOBA and was worth 12.2 runs above average.  Over a typical season length for him he would have been good for 24.3 runs above average.

The difference: 12.1 runs

Kevin Youkilis - in 435 PAs he had an amazing .419 wOBA, worth 31 runs above average.  His expected output over 620 PAs was 44.2.

The difference: 13.2 runs

Jacoby Ellsbury - in 84 PAs he posted a horrible .237 wOBA, good for -7.3 runs.  Last season's .354 wOBA would have been good for 10.3 runs above average over 700 PAs.

The difference: 17.6 runs

Mike Cameron - this year in 180 PAs he posted a .321 wOBA worth -2.5 runs.  Also having played hurt I used the same method as Ellsbury, last year's wOBA, coincidentally tied with his career number.   This produces 6.5 runs above average.

The difference: 9 runs

Victor Martinez - This season he has produced 2.7 runs above average with his .343 wOBA.  Projected over a season where he doesn't miss a month he is worth 3.4 runs.

The difference: .7 runs

Jason Varitek - in half the season he was thriving given more rest to the tune of a .365 wOBA worth 2.6 runs above average (our catchers were doing very well).  He only gained a game or two more than Martinez since he too soon fell to injury, I'm guessing this was roughly half his expected at bats.  Over a season he would have been worth 5.2 runs.

The difference: 2.6 runs.

Total difference in offense lost: 55.2 runs

 

-What we gained

Jed Lowrie - has pitched in with a .364 wOBA since his return from mono.  He certainly has the look of someone who could be a starting SS or 3B next year.

Contributed: 2.7 runs

Bill Hall - has done decently since he joined us, he doesn't get on base much but pounded the ball for a high slugging percentage, bringing his wOBA to an above average .343.

Contributed: 1.7 runs

Mike Lowell - he has been a ghost of himself this year, hitting for a .294 wOBA.

Contributed: -7.4 runs

Daniel Nava - lit the league on fire early but has slumped hard lately, bringing his year's wOBA down to .321.

Contributed: -2.0 runs

Darnell McDonald - a pleasant surprise when I did these calculations, he has a slightly above average wOBA of .343 to go along with his good corner OF defense.

Contributed: 2.4 runs

Ryan Kalish - hasn't made that jump yet in production posting just a .312 wOBA.

Contributed: -2.2 runs

Eric Patterson - has posted a .316 wOBA in a too many 185 PAs.

Contributed: -3.8 runs

Kevin Cash - was an offensive butcher this year as our primary starter for a month, hitting to a .230 wOBA over 123 PAs.

Contributed: -11.4 runs

Jeremy Hermida - over a 171 PA sample size he hit with a .269 wOBA.

Contributed: -10.1 runs

Total offense gained: -30.1 runs

This is where I point out a second flaw.  I've projected the starters to the end of the season but have only calculated current contributions by the replacements.  However, the number shouldn't change much given the little time left and that players like Hall, Lowrie and McDonald can offset the damage done by Lowell, Nava and Kalish, mostly anyway, if anything I would guess that the number becomes even more negative with contributions by rookie September callups.

But to recap:

We've lost 55.2 runs due to injury this year by my estimation.  The replacements for these players have contributed -30.1 runs.  Leading to a total difference in offense of about 85.3 runs.  A third admission.  Some of these players were going to play anyway, Hermida, Hall and Lowrie would have found playing time whether the starters were healthy or not.  If Youkilis was here and Tek was still injured, Cash would likely have recieved starts anyway.  There are some positives and there are some negatives so it would mostly even out. 

 

Now onto wins.

Our current winning percentage is .558, leading to an expected record of about 90-72, maybe less if you consider that we've been closer to .500 lately.  We've currently scored 694 runs and allowed 626.  This gives an expected winning percentage of .551 or a record of 89-73, about identical to what our actual winning percentage suggests.

What if we scored 85 more runs?

Time to scale to a 162 game season.  694 runs scales out to 814 runs, plus 85 more, assuming consistent contributions for the last 24 games, gives us 899 runs scored for the year.  More than last year for the record.  For runs scored, 626 runs scales out to 735 runs allowed. 

The pythagorean expected winning percentage: .599, or a record of 97-65.

That says a lot.  According to expected outcomes we're losing 7-8 extra games this year based entirely on a loss of offense.

Of course there are many more things to consider beyond just offense and there are certainly some shortcomings in my logic that you are more than welcome to point out but this was only meant to be a rough gauge of performance.  To get a full look, defense must be taken into account.  Youkilis, Pedrioa and Cameron were all very strong defensive players, Ellsbury in LF had shown he could be strong there.  McDonald as a replacement showed strong play in the corners, as does Kalish who can also play center.  Hall is a defensively liability everywhere, as is Lowell at first.  Lowrie is a bit of an unknown, there isn't enough data to know but the eyeball test shows he's been average at worst.  Overall there has been a decline in defense, that is for sure.  An increased defense would reduce the runs scored number a good bit and push our winning total closer to 100.

Also a lot can be said about the pitching in terms of the run scored number.  That is even more difficult to determine though.  Wakefield was not good in his time as a starter this year.  On the flip side.  Beckett has not been good as a starter this year.  However, his peripherals suggest a MUCH lower ERA than the one he is currently sporting, FIP has him a 4.17, xFIP at 3.87, compared to his 5.91 ERA.  If Beckett had the time to fit a whole season in, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that he would have contributed an extra win or two over the contribution of Wakefield.  Doubront was decent in his time too.  Daisuke missed a few starts with various ailments this year and despite appearances has put together a decent season with his 4.29 ERA which should be higher or lower determining whether you suscribe to xFIP or FIP respectively.  We also missed a start or two of Clay Buchholz and his near Cy Young worthy season. 

According to the expected record of 97-65 we would be one game behind the rays and four behind the Yankees.  That's before taking into account defense and pitching which would put us much closer to the divisional lead and in what was expected by most pundits to be a down year, well it would have been rather surprising.  I'll sign off saying this, no team plays healthy all season.  The Rays have seen a few starters get hurt, the Yankees have been dealing with a gimpy Alex Rodriguez and the loss of their DH all season in Nick Johnson.  But like I said, this isn't perfect, just a guesstimate.

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Beckett's got his xFIP under 4?

Man, if he gets it back down to 3.5 or so, I’ll laugh my ass off.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 7, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

lets just play hard

by 5689 on Sep 7, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yankees

Losing Nick Johnson meant nothing to Nick Johnson… I’d be willing to bet his WAP isn’t that great. But they have above-average backups for him (Big Puma?) and losing a DH isn’t a big deal anyways.

by Kill On 3 on Sep 7, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

WAR* not WAP
And losing Nick Johnson meant nothing to the Yankees (probably means everything to Nick Johnson)

by Kill On 3 on Sep 7, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It meant SOMETHING

The difference between Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada is small. The difference between Posada and Cervelli though is quite bigger and makes an impact.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 7, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question is

Is (Nick Johnson’s offense-Cervelli’s Offense) – (Jorge Posada’s Defense – Cervelli’s defense) positive or negative?

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 7, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you catcher defense!!

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 7, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best lineup for us is definitely Posada at C and Berkman/Thames at DH.

Questions or thoughts? Email me at duggan2423(at)gmail(dot)com

by Lord Duggan on Sep 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you had watched Cervelli get ~1/2 of the starts behind the plate this year, you would know the answer to this question. Even with a high BABIP fueled lucky streak at the beginning of the year, he still sits at a .299 wOBA and 85 wRC+.

Cervelli also has been worth -3.0 runs in the field (according to Fangraphs) and has only a 15.5% Caught Stealing. I’m also not a believer in the “calling a great game” being worth very much more than sportswriter fluff (looking at you, Varitek, :P). The pitcher decides what pitch to throw, and then executes it. It helps to be on the same page, but I don’t think it makes enough of a difference to merit the attention that it gets.

Him getting playing time was inevitable because there’s no way Posada’s body could take catching 140 games, but him playing in 83 games and having 285 plate appearances has been a MAJOR negative for the Yankees.

Stick Nick Johnson’s .400 OBP at the #2 spot in front of Tex, A-Rod, and Cano, and give Cervelli half the playing time he’s currently getting, and you better believe that makes the Yankees better.

Questions or thoughts? Email me at duggan2423(at)gmail(dot)com

by Lord Duggan on Sep 11, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right to me

I’ve been repeating over and over that all the injuries cost us 10 games. If we can expect to win 90 at this point but could have expected to win 97 without the injuries and without accounting for defense, 10 games is about right.

So if everyone stays healthy next year and we can re-sign Beltre and Martinez, we’ll be right in the pennant race.

by RSNexile on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

actuary

you must be an actuary to do this kind of analysis for fun…

by Hassan Scott on Sep 7, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

My roommate was one...

I just hate talking out of my ass, if I want to say that injuries cost this team about 10 games I want to make sure it’s the truth and prove it.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

read this earlier, came to echo these sentiments

I had contemplated attempting an article of this nature in the past, but always considered the research and math required to be too daunting…

Thank you Rogue for reaffirming my opinion of you — that opinion being: You’re awesome.

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by Logan Lietz on Sep 8, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aww shucks

Thanks Logan, your articles are always so good that it got me thinking maybe I’d try one out on the whole “what if?” issue.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 8, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fun in'it?

As always, I truly appreciate the compliments. It’s surprisingly difficult to come up with interesting, unique and topical concepts for articles on a weekly basis — especially as a blogger without the advantage of inside information that a typical writer has access to — so again, thanks so much.

Personally, I’d like to see more Rogue Nine posts!

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by Logan Lietz on Sep 11, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bullpen is still the win killer in all this which would probably drive down the overall wins by a few games even with the starters

I appreciate the article. I think 7-10 games is interesting; I think this would be more interesting to factor in the subpar performance of the bullpen which would be the driver of instability in this math equation probably pushing the whole overall win number down. I mean, even if the starters had all five cylinders burning the bullpen is so unreliable that it would hurt us no matter what. So far, we have 42 saves in 62 save opportunities. This ranks 21 of 30 teams – we are near bottom here. So, is the injuries really the deal breaker? If we were healthy would we really win 97-100 games? I do not think so. I will do my best to show it below. I made the assumption the defense will be better with the starters back – so I focused on the bullpen. I mean, if you the pen cannot shut the opposition down then we are done.

The pythagorean expected winning percentage: .599, or a record of 97-65.

I am not a math whiz (I majored in philosophy & religion), but, as you mentioned you need a metric for the defense and pitching and how it would impact overall runs given up. I also think to make it balanced you have to look at the head to head games against the Rays and the Yankees. If you add the 85.3 runs out over the season that you mentioned then it is = to 0.52 runs more per game scored. This would = 72.28 more runs through 139 games this would bring the Sox up to 771 runs so far on the season and put them #1 in MLB ahead of the Yankees who currently sit at 748 and the Rays at 693. That looks really good. Our run scoring is a great bright spot as we sit behind the Yankees only in runs scored (even with the injuries). So, why are we losing then? Well, in 62 chances for a save we have only done that 42 times successfully. The Rays are 47/59 and the Yankees 34/45.

On defense: Overall, The Sox have given up 640 runs through the year avg 4.6 per game (9th most in the majors while the Rays have given up only 551 for avg 3.99 per game 6th best and the Yankees 570 for avg 4.1 9th best per game both near the top in MLB).

In the AL the Rays and Yankees are 2nd and 4th best while the Sox are at the bottom with only the Indians, Orioles, and Royals giving up more runs. We suck in this area.

So, with the addition of offense numbers you mentioned it would close the gap with the half run differential on scoring. But would that have been enough to catch the Rays and Yankees? No, not when you factor in the head to head games. Here is where the crying starts – when I looked at these numbers we are clearly the 3rd best team in the East.

How?

We are 6-12 against the Rays. Five losses are credited to the Sox pen. Here the Rays pen made a big difference. We have been outscored 77-87 overall.
Opponent Result Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher
Sat, 4/17 Rays L 1-3 Cormier (2-0) Delcarmen (0-1)
Sun, 4/18 Rays L 1-3 Cormier (2-0) Delcarmen (0-1)
Sun, 4/18 Rays L 5-6 Shields (1-0) Buchholz (1-1)
Sun, 4/18 Rays L 1-7 Garza (3-0) Lester (0-2)
Mon, 4/19 Rays L 2-8 Niemann (1-0) Lackey (1-1)
Tue, 5/25 at Rays W 6-1 Buchholz (6-3) Davis (4-4)
Wed, 5/26 at Rays W 2-0 Lester (5-2) Shields (5-2)
Thu, 5/27 at Rays W 11-3 Lackey (5-3) Garza (5-3)
Wed, 6/30 Rays W 8-5 Lackey (9-3) Shields (6-8)
Thu, 7/1 Rays L 4-9 Garza (9-5) Matsuzaka (5-3)
Tue, 7/6 at Rays L 5-6 Choate (2-2) Ramirez (0-2)
Wed, 7/7 at Rays L 2-3 Niemann (7-2) Doubront (1-1)
Thu, 7/8 at Rays L 4-6 Price (12-4) Wakefield (3-7)
Sat, 8/28 at Rays W 3-1 Lester (14-8) Price (15-6)
Sun, 8/29 at Rays L 2-3 Choate (4-3) Atchison (2-2)
Mon, 8/30 at Rays L 3-5 Shields (13-11) Lackey (12-8)
Tue, 9/7 Rays W 12-5 Lester (16-8) Niemann (10-6)
Wed, 9/8 Rays L 5-14 Price (17-6) Matsuzaka (9-5)

We are 5-7 against the Yankees. Three of the games were lost by Papelbon and Oki with a 2 run differential. Again, I see this as bullpen issue. We have been outscored 54-65. We still have 7 games remaining with the Yankees.

Date Opponent Result Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher
Mon, 4/5 Yankees W 9-7 Okajima (1-0) Park (0-1)
Wed, 4/7 Yankees L 4-6 Aceves (1-0) Okajima (1-1)
Thu, 4/8 Yankees L 1-3 Park (1-1) Papelbon (0-1)
Sat, 5/8 Yankees L 3-10 Hughes (4-0) Beckett (1-1)
Sat, 5/8 Yankees L 3-14 Aceves (3-0) Buchholz (3-3)
Mon, 5/10 Yankees W 9-3 Lester (3-2) Burnett (4-1)
Tue, 5/18 at Yankees L 9-11 Vazquez (2-4) Papelbon (1-3)
Wed, 5/19 at Yankees W 7-6 Bard (1-1) Rivera (0-1)
Sat, 8/7 at Yankees W 6-3 Buchholz (12-5) Vazquez (9-8)
Sat, 8/7 at Yankees L 2-5 Sabathia (14-5) Lackey (10-7)
Mon, 8/9 at Yankees L 2-7 Moseley (2-1) Beckett (3-2)
Mon, 8/9 at Yankees W 2-1 Lester (12-7) Hughes (13-5)

So if everyone stays healthy next year and we can re-sign Beltre and Martinez, we’ll be right in the pennant race.

Is that statement really the bottom line truth for next year or wishfull thinking? Yes, we need to re-sign these guys (however, it is an unrealistic expectation to think everyone stays healthy for next season as there will be injuries and that is where depth comes in to help). Who would have guessed Youk and Petey would go down with season ending surgeries in 2010? And, without an improved bullpen we are in a world of hurt. Even with the starters back if the pen can’t keep the game close then we just can’t compete.

2010 – My thoughts are even healthy and scoring more runs when you look at the results the Rays and the Yankees were just plain better. Even if we beat up on lesser opponents they would still have beat us head to head and we would NOT be in the playoffs. I wanted to believe the 97-100 game wins. I wanted to believe it was all about the injuries. I can’t see it based on our bullpen coughing up so many leads. I do not want to make excuses. The injuries really hurt us – but the bullpen killed us.

2011 My thoughts going into after looking at all the numbers in this article and the head to head problem with the Yanks and Rays – to compete with the Yankees and the Rays we need to:
1. Tighten up the bullpen in middle relief and another setup man. This assumes that Paps and Bard perform well next year. This keeps us in the close games until we score that run which leads me to my next point.

2. Re-sign Beltre and V-Mart and add a power bat to the outfield to give us the extra threat we need in close games. It would have been nice this year to have another slugger to end the close ones. Does Jason Werth fit that bill? I think a big bat in the OF is a good idea.

3. Even re-signing Beltre and V-mart along with a healthy Ells, Cameron, Petey and Youk without an improved bullpen we will not contend. Too many games are won now between the 5-7th inning.

Otherwise, I believe we will be having a similar debate come the end of the 2011 season.

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by Dave D on Sep 8, 2010 5:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Jason Werth – I am still debating whether I’m on board with this. Personally, I like him and I think he could fit well within the lineup…it’ll be interesting to see what he’ll end up costing and whether we make a move.

Re: Your last sentence – That is an unsettlingly distinct possibility, I hate to say.

Re: Your whole comment – Would have made for a good post! Good stuff.

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by Logan Lietz on Sep 8, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bullpen is factored

If the bullpen stinks than the runs allowed number goes up. If it consistently stinks the runs allowed per game number goes up and takes away a couple wins. I used the pythagorean formula for our current runs scored and runs allowed to show that it almost perfectly matches our actual record, in fact it actually takes away one win in the end.

Our current winning percentage is .558 and good for 90-72. The pythagorean projection on our actual numbers is .551 or 89-73. So it’s dead on, bad bullpen loses accounted for.

It treats all runs the same. If the starting pitcher goes out and gives up 8 or if the starter gives up two and Papelbon gives up 6, it’s still 8 runs and drives our average up and would more than likely count as a loss. Now if I was Bill James I’m sure it wouldn’t be too difficult to come up with a metric that weight’s innings and goes from there but that would require UZR type data, play by play from every game, it might actually exist, who knows, I see a lot of stats I don’t fully know on fangraphs.

I mean, maybe the pen MIGHT suck a little more now that we’ve got our AAA guys in there too (as Coello showed the other night) and sot he runs scored might change a little but other wise this team should give up a consistent amount of runs down the final stretch which works just fine with the pythagorean formula.

But in all, the horrible play of the bullpen is factored and accounted for entirely, the 7-8 extra wins are legit bearing a lapse in my logic, which is entirely possible.

As for next year, I think our best bet is to re-sign the guys we have, they’re the best available free agents in a market that isn’t particularly strong in either. I’d really want to keep Ortiz too but if he’s too pricey and they can change Adam Dunn’s mind about DHing, I’d be fine with that too, but a piece of my heart would be gone. Also, the Rays aren’t going to be as good next year likely. They are a VERY small market team and they are set to lose some major pieces of their team, Carl Crawford is certainly gone, Pena too. They’re also likely to trade away Garza or Shields or both to keep payroll down. Those will be major hits. I know they have an epic farm system but there are growing pains, some prospects will need to adjust.

With a healthy Cameron and Ellsbury we gain a power bat in the outfield over McDonald and Nava if his 1 year of ML experience is more representative of his several ridiculous years in the minors. Scoring runs hasn’t been an worry, more runs is always nice but its the runs scored that has killed us this year. With Ellsbury, Cameron, Youk and Pedrioa back and hopefully Beltre we gain a lot of defense that will lower that number. Fixing the bullpen also has to be a priority. I think in Doubront we’ve found our Okajima replacement, he’s done well in his new role so far. However I think adding at least one more solid arm should help wonders. And there is a good stock of relievers becoming available this offseason, if Theo doesn’t pick one or two up I might actually start blaming him for the first time ever.

But yes injuries do happen, just usually not this often or to so many stars. We were going to be a very good team this year. Thank you for taking the time to write up such a good response, that’s the whole point, start up some debate on how we can better measure the season.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 8, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps oversimplifying the issue, but...
We are 5-7 against the Yankees. Three of the games were lost by Papelbon and Oki with a 2 run differential. Again, I see this as bullpen issue.

And if the Red Sox had 2 or 3 more runs in that game, they’d have won them. Or if they’d given up a couple less with defense or starting pitching.

There’s no such thing as a perfect Achilles Heel problem. Having a bad bullpen is no worse than having bad starters, or a bad offense, or bad defense. In fact, given the amount of time the various groups spend on the field, it is the least important of the four—thus why Theo ignored it largely.

Now, it’s true that our team has had some REMARKABLY bad pitchers. But I don’t think we need to have a dominant pen for 2011. I think the issue is, does the back of the pen have a 4.50 ERA, or a 5.40 ERA? Unfortunately, this season, it’s been the latter. But we can definitely get by with just some “serviceable” bullpen pitchers if our offense can keep it up in ’11.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 8, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so and bullpens are so darn unpredictable we should improve

This discussion really interests me. I also appreciate the numbers guys on here who can do some heavy lifting with math and trend analysis as Rogue has done – great work.

And if the Red Sox had 2 or 3 more runs in that game, they’d have won them. Or if they’d given up a couple less with defense or starting pitching.

That makes me think of Earl Weaver. Get on base (which we do) and then a couple of big boppers to hit you home. Regardless of the disappointment we have at missing the Post Season – this team has been intriguing and they have never rolled over.

There’s no such thing as a perfect Achilles Heel problem. Having a bad bullpen is no worse than having bad starters, or a bad offense, or bad defense. In fact, given the amount of time the various groups spend on the field, it is the least important of the four—thus why Theo ignored it largely.

That is a good point on the Achilles. I agree it is a delicate balancing act to have the team strong in all areas. I also understand the idea of asuming a little risk in one area and hoping you are stronger in another. I would say that was Theo’s idea with starters who could stay in for 6-7 innings (Dice K the exception). Although, I am not sure as the game has evolved and starters get pulled between 5-7 innings that the pen is the least important as you mentioned. I know that is the trend – I just wonder if defense and bullpen are rising in importance. I would view it as similar to football with special teams to react to certain looks on the field – that has risen in importance. If the pen are a bunch of scrubs then big league hitters will tee off on them and you have no chance to close out the win. I also think that Tampa and San Diego are winning with good pens – this post season will be intersting to see what mix does it for a team.

But we can definitely get by with just some "serviceable" bullpen pitchers if our offense can keep it up in ’11.

 I am just thinking out loud here – would a serviceable bullpen and another power bat do the trick? Does that strike a balance to have a power bat who is a threat in the late innings? Also, my other thought is this – in the playoffs is a serviceable bulpen enough or do you go home early?

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by Dave D on Sep 8, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

2011

I don’t see any possibility the Sox are in on Werth or any other FA OF unless for a backup role. Even then, I would love to see Kalish as the 4th OF, subbing for Cameron/Drew at least once a week each and Ellsbury once every couple of weeks. You know Cameron and or Drew is going on the DL at least once in 2011, so Kalish will get plenty of PT and not just sit.
V-Mart is a must sign, and I would welcome Papi back for a year or two. If they don’t bring Papi back, they need to go after a power lefy for DH/1B and Dunn is an obvious choice. I’m assuming Beltre is gone because Boras moves his clients and the Angels will need a 3B and power. Beltre played his entire career on the West Coast before Boston, and I’m betting he will welcome a return there. They could give Lowrie a shot at 3B or bring in a FA like Inge or Wiggington for a year or two. They could also look at Overbay for 1B and move Youk to 3B, but I don’t think they want to mess around with Youk that much.
I fully expect Theo to bring in some retreads/projects for the bullpen and avoid the name FA’s like Downs, simply because that is what Theo always does. It will be a hit or miss proposition there again. This is also a place for Bowden to step up or maybe Dubront if he is healthy.

by Scoop1981 on Sep 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article

I wish I could find the exact number and source, but I read very recently that Tito has posted back-to-back starting line-ups only two or three times all season. That seems kinda insane to me.

This team has never had anything resembling stability.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 8, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw that somewhere too

It’s crazy all the combos and permutations we’ve had of the lineup this year.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's kind of unreasonable to expect at team

to get into anything even resembling a rhythm under circumstances like that.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 8, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet we've done remarkably, all things considered.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 8, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely great work Rogue. You get a big +1 from me (the gold star is in the mail).

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by Lord Duggan on Sep 11, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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