Game Thread: Rays @ Red Sox -- September 6, 2010
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 6:49 PM EDT
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Good evening to those still with us.
It's Lestah time! Sure, the O's beat him up a little last time, but he struck guys out, so it's all good!
Then there's this Niemann guy who's been kicked around the last few games.
But he should have a good shot at rebounding, because the Sox are employing the "surrender lineup." That's right, if you still have faith that this team is going to the postseason, well, you're even more optimistic than the Sox themselves.
At least it should be interesting, though. All four of those bottom guys are potentially big parts of the future.
Go Sox rookies! And Lowrie! And Lester! And the rest of them too I guess!
If Beltre hits 30 dingers and drives in 100, can he be some kind of Type-AA free agent maybe? Possibly? I know Elias likes that kind of stuff. And I like draft picks!
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So does Lars homer before the year ends?
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I'd like to think he platoons with Lowell,
but we have this Terry Francona guy as manager…
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Well, what's the goal now?
Winning?
Seeing what our guys can do?
Putting them in the best situation to get a confidence boost?
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Well, Lowell really isn't better than Lars right now,
at least versus RHP. Can Lars field? If he can, then he should see the field.
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i would be happy seeing him just get a chance
getting on base or some rbi’s will be a plus
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 6, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe.
Would honestly be surprised if he floats above the Mendoza Line.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
what up my man pesky !
how is your dad ?
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 6, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN
Maryland – Navy just had a terrific finish.
Goal line stop on 4th and goal with 1 to go. Navy down 3 chose to go for it.
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dang
was thinking about watching that.
Boise Stat/Virgina Tech in an hour.
Your O-Line gives me a boner Ben.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it too.
Jason White looks like another fantastic RB in the making, too. And our defense was…surprising.
At one point Wisconsin had 125 or so total yards to -4 for UNLV. The only thing I’m worried about is Tolzien is still throwing picks.
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Tolzien will be good with that offensive line protecting him.
3 guys can run the ball which is nice.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see
He’s prone to the stupid mistake, not the pressured mistake. If he eliminates that, we can go and-1, possibly.
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Your schedule is so unbelievably soft.
Wisco, Iowa, and Nebraska all have legit chances to make a run at the National Championship.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Tech or Boise?
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I honestly don't know.
What is VT’s defense gonna do.
They are inexperienced but Beamer is a defensive guru.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Working 10 days straight
I cannot handle that today’s a Monday instead of a Sunday.
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Yeah, Lavarnway's D would have to be really bad for us to not give him a shot,
because look what we have now.
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Ben
how do you figure Lars/Navarro will potentially be a big part of the Sox future?
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I'm pretty sure Navarro will never be anything, at least on our team.
Lars was good one time, maybe he can get back to that.
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both will be dealt, and probably this winter I'd be willing to wager.
This team will never start Lars Anderson at first base on our big league club.
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Why? because he isn't good?
If it’s a positional thing, then you could say the same about Rizzo. However, if you can it, there’s always the DH spot.
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Anderson is just not good.
I think Rizzo has a shot at getting dealt as well.
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for what?
I’m thinking it would have to be a catcher or SS (we do have Iglesias though) . That’s a premier prospect, probably top 10 1B, so I’d want a something that is scarce.
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As for Navarro
He’s exhibited everything you could want out of a middle infielder at the minors. Why couldn’t he be a big part? He might even have the pop to stick at 3rd.
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He could be a SS, but we have Lowrie and Iglesias.
I suppose he could be a 3B. That’s acutally what he would probably be if anything. He OPSd .781 in Portland. That’s not bad, but it’s not impressive either.
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At what point do you think the Front Office called it on the season?
When Pedroia finally opted for the surgery, knowing there would be no postseason to play in? Feels to me like they may have known before us fans did…
I actually think it's right now.
We really haven’t done a lot of things for the future up until now. They were gonna start Clay on 3 days rest, and might still do so.
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They haven't
Under no circumstances would a team with an interest in the future throw their ace on 3 days race in a lost cost.
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VA tech's unis are pure badass, but very ugly.
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I'll do my best to explain it.
It looks black with orange outline and orange numbers that are fading to black.
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yes,
I’m watching on my SD signal right now, so maybe it’s burgundy, but it looks black to me. Sometimes these colleges do crazy things. I mean, look at Oregon.
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oregon ducks set the standard
for football uniform diversity. i don’t think they wear the same one twice in a year…
sounds kinky
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
a chance
we still face them head to head. i was with a bunch of skank fans at a bbq last night. i couldn’t believe the rancor among them
no offense, thats delusional thinking.
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Except that we haven't shown we can win...
Did they start the broadcast saying we lost 3 in a row (I knew that) AND 7 of our last 10??
how many pitches did Lester throw that inning?
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What is it with him and the first of late?
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
any chance at all iglesias gets called up?
or does that start the service clock?
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Doesn't start it significantly.
But no way he gets called up.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He might because he's already on the 40 and it wouldn't start his clock.
I say it would happen if Scoot is done for the year. Lowrie/Navarro/Iglesias platoon for the MI.
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I'd like to see him play, I hear all these great things.
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He missed most of this season, so he'd just be vastly overpowered by pitching.
But if he’s already on the 40 man, could it hurt? It would just be extra games.
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Yes, it could.
Overpushing hurts a lot of prospects. He’s going to the AFL. Give him the time off.
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I forgot he was going to the AFL.
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Ugh...
Did I miss an injury to Scutaro over the weekend? Or just that ongoing dead muscle issue finally resulting in him getting shut down?
He's having a MRI and supposedly has a rotator cuff problem along with the muscle.
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I did hear that...
… the other night during the broadcast.
Wow… great positioning there by the shift.
shut him down
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Ellsbury for Rasmus
what do you think?
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sign me up
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It would be like Ells + Pimentel,
but that probably wouldn’t get it done.
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We would have control over Rasmus longer right?
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IDK
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Rasmus is only in his sophomore season.
Also, he isn’t represented by Boras.
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What worries me about Rasmus
Is the BABIP. If he comes over next year and puts up a .315 OBP…Not good.
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Ben post your 25 man for next season
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post what you would like it too be
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What's the upside?
Just looking… and I’m not impressed by Rasmus.
Why doesn’t Ellsbury have more upside?
Rasmus has good power for a CF
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Does Boras represent Rasmus?
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there is some upside right away then
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I would carry 3 catchers next season if the scenario were Ianetta/Martinez/Varitek
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Why get Iannetta if we could get Vic?
I guess we would get Vic on that year deal and have him platoon between C, 1B, and DH.
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I'd rotate Vic 1B-C-DH
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Or just have him play 1B and move Youk to third for a year.
I know, I know, it’s not optimal.
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ha !
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I know, I know...
Boras, and the deal he pulled in Seattle make that less likely.
Especially with our history with Boras and his clients…
I think Youk prefers 3rd, and I think if the organization could choose an ideal situation
he would be there
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I hear all kinds of things like Youk can't play 3B or he can be average.
Just ‘cause somebody wants to do something doesn’t mean they should. Dunn wants to play defense and he’s horrible at that.
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I'd let Dunn play LF
My goodness, Dunn is such a terror
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If he plays defrense like Hermida (he's probably worse),
even with his bat, I don’t know if it’s worth it. You think: “how bad can he be?”, and then he’s THAT bad.
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PAPI
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BELTRE (do not overpay)
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this is Mike Lowell all over again dang it
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You are crazy.
Lowell has not been worth it since late 2008 2.5 years of a dumb move
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because he's been injured
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And Beltre is 2 years younger than Lowell was when he signed...
I’m not saying give him 5 years or anything.
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thats exactly what he will command
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Hey, I don't think the Mets will be involved, so it will be OK.
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i think thats a real possibility
with his hip
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why commit that much money when a year later the 1B market will be stacked?
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Because we have a 1B.
Putting Youkilis at third is a short term stopgap at best. We can not put him there for any significant length of time.
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I guess he'd be the long term DH,
but then we still wouldn’t have a 3B. It doesn’t really make that much sense.
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why
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ahh
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Guys lose steps
Youk’s best defensive attribute is in how he mans first. Stretching, picking, etc. He’s still a good defender mobility wise, but that’s on the low side for 3B, and getting lower. And his arm was never exactly a cannon.
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then why invest in beltre
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because Beltre is a great defender
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and then he got injured
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has not been that impressive
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It will be a huge mistake to sign him
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It will be a mistake to sign him for more than 3 years, or to pay him like he's played this year.
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Boras will demand nothing short
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Both of which are absolute inevitabilities
And when it comes to this type of deal, Theo falls over himself. Just as we rid ourselves of stupid contracts, we immediately replace them.
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I don't think either is necessarily true.
Because this last offseason was weird. Yeah, Holliday got his money, but there’s not as much money to go around it seems this next year. We’ll see.
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yes, possibly
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Because I don't want to give him long to lose that step
He’s still got plus range. It’s not going to disappear all at once (unless he breaks a hip)
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I think 08 was too high
09 too low. I think he’d settle to slightly above avg/avg.
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I just know he doesn't seem to get as far as he used too.
Still good, but I don’t like him at 3B much now, much less in the future.
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If the alternative is giving Belter
$12-$15m a year, then yes. No more stupid contracts for players like this.
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Nor am I saying pay him like a plus defender with a .900+ OPS
Pay him like a good defender with an .850 or so OPS. If someone is willing to pay for this year, like 4/60, let them.
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well then re-signing Mike Lowell was a bad move.
And Lowell had less injury history I believe.
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Who could've foreseen
The mid-30s guy becoming an injury risk!?
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+A billion
Nobody advocated more for Beltre than me last offseason, but no no no no no no no. We got his good season, don’t overpay like Lowell.
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Also, not for nothing,
Belter BABIP .339 this year. Lowell BABIP in ’07, .337.
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Here comes Lars.
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must be ishing his pants.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a sexy leg lift.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So this is Lars Anderson
Hello everyone, my name is Curtis Granderson, and I'm a bus-o-holic
A supporter of the MFY.
Lars Anderson sucks
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He does.
.250/.340/.400 is what I see from him.
That’s just not gonna cut it.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
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I haven't given up on him, but I see visions of Loney, butler at best.
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Damn Loney....
not a bad comp.
Think he’s gonna swing and miss too much, though.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a younger Chris Carter kinda guy
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yeah, lol
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we talking about the good or the bad Chris Carter ?
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uh oh
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Kalish is looking to be hitting a bit better the past couple games.
I love Lester and Pedroia!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
Well he couldn't even pull the ball...
It’s only his first AB, though.
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He swings and misses a lot.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for Boise St/Va Tech
Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Williams are gonna make some noise.
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VA tech's unis look like Darth Vader or something.
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Yeah, they suck.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lars Anderson, this white Willy Mo Pena
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Because you enjoy bad pitching?
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sack of baseball, box of pine tar, and barrel of gum
all worth more than Willy Mo Pena
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Was that the same offseason?
… we traded Bronson for Wily Mo, and let Carlos Pena go to the Rays to hit 30/100?
I think so, but don't quote me
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Seems like we missed the project...
… had the real project on our roster, and went chasing the Wily Mo pipe dream.
I know Bronson wasn’t much, but he’s won a few games for the Reds in the NL. Much more than Wily Mo ever did for us.
If Bronson stayed in the AL he would be a journeyman
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Are there any Nava fans left?
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Pittsburgh?
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Ha ha. Probably not
They have Tabata and Mccutch
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Well that's a big endorsement.
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He is Lugo-esque
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If we sign Vic and his bat doesn't come back,
I’ma be pissed.
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what? no TB series he was our only offense
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IDK about that,
but his defense is pissing me off. I know our pitchers don’t always hold on well, but some of these throws aren’t even close.
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he most certainly was our only offense in that series.
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I didn't say he wasn't
I said I wasn’t sure about that HR date thing.
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Are you serious?
because I’m on that bandwagon…sorta
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Why the sarcasm
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I think it would be perfect
and let Tek be the backup-trade Salty
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V-Mart for DH
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then we should not re-sign him
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Let Beltre and Martinez, and Ortiz walk
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Undecided on Ortiz
Since he won’t require multi-year. But Martinez and Beltre are the types of deals we cannot keep doing.
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I am sure Dunn can be convinced to DH
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Don't think he has
the desire to play for a winner. He’d rather play for a team without a chance.
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In my deep fantasy
We trade for AGonz, and sign Dunn to DH
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2 years is too much
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Depends how much it's for.
In my mind, the 2-year money doesn’t really eclipse the 1-year money much at all…
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Yeap
Sadly, not well enough to probably get paid what he may.
Then again, we could all be wrong on what he might get for a deal.
Not a good enough bat to DH
I’d rather see Ortiz there next season. You pay Victor to play C, as poor as it is back there, and swing that decent bat.
Just noticed Gizmo
“Trade Ellsbury this Winter,” eh?
Seems like a good idea, though I wonder who’d want him.
San Diego
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I talked to their fans, and some of them love him
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those fans probably love web gems
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Here we go again,.. it would take a lot to get him for one year.
And then we would have to move Youk to 3B or DH to resign him.
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Ahem.
I’m speaking hypothetically; I really don’t see Gonzo going anywhere at the moment.
However if it did happen, don’t you think Theo & Co would actually want to make sure that Gonzo would want to come here and for an extended period of time? Plus keep in mind, the Padres are living dangerously right now and they could be out of the playoffs if they keep sucking.
Besides, Youk at 3B is really not a bad idea. That would also make Lars expendable, but maybe that’s all part of the plan (as the Joker says).
but how long can Youk play 3B?
The guy isn’t that great, plus he’s not getting any younger.
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True
He’s what, over 30 now? Though one would think there’s several good years left in him. I’m sure there would be planning going on in regards to a future 3B if Gonzo made it here.
I don't think so...
I cannot see them trading Gonzo for a package with Ellsubry after this season. I think they keep him for another season, unless they are fading at the trading deadline next year.
he's going to get dealt
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once they're out of it next deadline
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he's so perfect for Fenway
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I'd love to see him, but IDK if it's the best move long term.
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I know the season is over, but it feels good to beat up the Rays
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Boise doin' work
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jedi will make the pay for this :-)
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Lowrie should be the utility guy
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good buddy how are you
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glad to see some runs tonight!
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indeed !
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He should start at shortstop in 2011.
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split time with Scutaro
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I'd like to keep them both
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Gifted and Scutaro
will never appear together, in any meaning.
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considering he's hitting as well as jeter
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Jeter is going to get 45 million
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So, total side-note
Pretty sure if Scutaro is done for the season, I won the community projection.
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I was... but not a member yet...
Drafted him in my fantasy leagues, and he’s helped me weather the injuries to Youk/Pedroia/Utley…
Nobody could be as optimistic as you were on Beltre
That BA of his is unbelievable.
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(30 HR, 85 RBI)
Shoulda known better with regards to that low RBI for that many HR, but I’m bad with context stats.
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he did that before...
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can you tell us who has the most postings here this year so far
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No
That’s something someone sent out to the admins at the end of last year. No running tally.
Though I have to be up there again…
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Haha, I can tell you it's not...
Because I sadly have more posts this year than Gizmo does in the history of this account…
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Ben, you do everything here now
it’s appreciated
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In fact, by virtue of that
It’s gotta be me, ’cause I was thinking Sandy was my biggest “competition”
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No way, other guys post more than I do
and I was in the hospital a few weeks
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Must be a perception thing then...
I enjoy reading both of your posts on here… finally convinced me to sign up.
good to hear
most people run away from my negative attitude
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I've never known these new age Red Sox positive fans
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Ha ha ha!
I was one, prior to 2004… and have just been more so since 2007.
My friend writes for the Herald, gave up weeks ago… I held on, but I think the sweep by the White Sox takes care of it for me… unless we do something ridiculous this series.
we are out of it.
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meh
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Might just be Hawaii rubbing off on me...
… in the old days, I’d know better. We’d go on the Rockies tear, and come up one game short.
2003 was really tough for me.
I think you need to be more pessimistic !
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Ha ha ha!
Unfortunately, I feel good about 2011 and also think a lot of the Patriots team that starts their season this week.
A fresh start of optimism for me.
I think 2011 will be ok
but 2012 is the year I think Theo is looking towards.
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Longoria my least favorite MLB player next to Kotsay
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No interlocking NY, and no
arrest for spousal abuse = no problems from me.
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It was ironic to see Kotsay and Manny on the same team
playing againt Lowell and his bum hip.
The 3 main reasons we did not repeat in 2008.
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Kotsay left 19 runners on base in the ALCS
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he is the biggest reason in my opinion
Casey was better option
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...which he shouldn't have even gotten an AB in,
because Old Man Lowell was injured. again.
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do not overpay
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Atchinson warming
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My son is also a big Sox fan, he was trying to convince me we are not out of it
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That's funny.
I’m still about 1% on the fact that they’re in it, but otherwise, forget about it. Stick a fork in ‘em they’re done.
Lester hasn't seemed the same to be since that Seattle game.
I love Lester and Pedroia!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
then we should shut him down
along with buckles.
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we're run by idiots
Bard should not see another inning.
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without question
how many innings has Bard thrown?
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agreed
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That's what is interesting to me...
… why are we still running these guys out, if the FO thinks we’re done?
But they do, don’t they?
the FO does not think we are done
they are thinking the MFY will do some damage to TB in the head to head games and we will backdoor in
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Seriously?
As optimistic as I am… and we have 6 games left with the Yankees ourselves… I don’t think it happens… so you protect your future, don’t you??
as mentioned by SeanO earlier in this thread
they would not entertain starting Buchholz on 3 days rest if they considered us out of it.
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I'd argue its the best lineup we can offer actually.
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Then what the hell are they thinking?
We have a 173m payroll and no plan. We’re worse than the Mets, and they get involved in Ponzi schemes.
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Someone tell me how this is not our best current available lineup
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I'll take Scutaro over Navarro, but he's hurt.
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It's the best lineup we can offer
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exactly
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It is a great point.
This has to be our best line up… and we’re still a very good team this season (and winning today)… with this line up?
Lars should start over Lowell every single day
he gives us a better chance to win
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Lowell is awful too,
but at least Lars can kinda field.
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Lars does suck, and he is awful
but Lowell is worse.
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maybe not agianst lefties, but yeah
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I'd take Hall at 1B over Lowell
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fine
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But soon VMart will be at 1B and Tek at C for most games
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The Payroll is There
Because Theo & Co are overpaying for a few guys and if I am correct, that is including players that are no longer on the roster.
Hard to tell WTF Theo & Co. are up to lately.
I really have no idea if they’re thought was that this year was the bridge year or if they were counting this AND next season and forgot to tell us about next season.
they have no plan, no clue
and as such we have no hope.
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So, Playoffs...
IF on the REALLY SMALL chance that it actually happens and the team gets there, what will you do to celebrate?
I think I might go out on a night of silly drunken shenanigans with my fellow Bostonian friends. Which will mean a couple of shots and I’m done; not having drank in almost a year will do that.
Given we have no chance of competing in said playoffs
Continue supporting Manchester City as I will otherwise.
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The NL Central in 2006 was illegally terrible
The 2010 AL East is one of the best divisions in the history of sport.
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the only chance is sweeping this series and going on a 10-12 game run
with MFY beating up on TB
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Or,
We put in the kids and tell everyone to go spikes-high against NY.
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And our pitching...
Our front two (Lester and Buchholz) puts Beckett and Lackey against inferior opponents against any team in baseball.
I didn't say it was a great comparison
But still 10 games closer.
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Also
I think a .550 WP% is the minimum to have a spot in the playoffs.
Or, even better, get rid of divisions altogether and take the top 4.
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Fine
This isn’t a charity, it’s sports. The top 4 teams in each league should make the playoffs.
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I'd add 2 teams into the playoffs
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I wouldn't.
There’s something special about the playoffs.
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Or, we convert the 10 largest minor league clubs into 2nd-level clubs
Have 2 20 team leagues with relegation/promotion.
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let's save that for soccer
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All of the 40 clubs
Would still have their development teams. It would just be a re-organization. Less depth, more width in the minors.
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He's going to the AFL, right?
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bounce back to pitcher trying to convert a DP never ever works smooth
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OT: the bcs people are going to keep doubting boise
until they beat alabama or notre dame or texas. what else does the bronco’s need to do to show that they are the real deal?
and...
… they are currently ranked #3… so winning tonight, which looks good… leaves them with an easy path to the national title game. The system that screwed them a few years ago works in their favor this year.
i have become a huge boise fan
they are the exclamation point in the sentence: “THE NCAAFD1 NEEDS A PLAYOFF SYSTEM”
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But VA Tech is a shadow of it’s former self. If they can go on the road and beat an SEC, Big 10, Big 12, or Pac-10 team, then I’m sold.
Until then, I’m still on the fence.
Hopefully those idiots behind home plate stop embarassing us trying to distract the Rays pitcher
Anyone else annoyed by that?
we need every advantage we can get
I’m more embarassed for the TB fans who do not show up, or ring a bell.
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they will get relocated
so it all works out. No big deal, and not to mention after this season they are reducing payroll and losing good talent. They won’t be a factor next season.
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Of blow those damn vulve... whatevers...
From the World Cup. I went to my first game there this summer (along with the Marlins, knocking off two more ball parks I hadn’t been to)… both were a complete waste of my time, but the Rays game was so annoying.
Thankfully they lost, and my group got a photo with a depressed Raymond. I don’t think he liked my Red Sox hat either.
They will be moved
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Thanks Andy
Good thing they moved you to the pen with your great control and all.
Thought MDC went to the Rockies not TB ?
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that guy was awful
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YES
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ha ha
the baseball god’s are good to the kid!
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The way Sonnanstine was throwing..
I had a feeling Kalish would so some damage on 3-1
My OF next season...
Drew in RF, Kalish in CF and Ellsbury in LF…
Cameron gets traded for some value… like a bullpen arm.
Ells may be gone by the deadline if Reddick is up to snuff.
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Reddick and Ells could not be more different.
With Ells, you’re praying he learns to take a walk. With Reddick, you’re trying to dodge another collapse if he tries to change his game up again.
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Who cares what style they have?
If Reddick can establish himself, then he could have just as much value as Ells. Or we could trade Reddick and keep Ells. RF is opening up soon, though.
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Well let's hope Tito gives him a pep talk
If anything, he’s at least good with that.
With pulling a relief pitcher, not so much. I seriously can’t get over the number of pitches Papelbon threw.
bold i just don't think reddick has the patince to be the hitter everyone thinks he will be
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Does Beltre?
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well they are not walking lars are they
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My point is that he doesn't need to walk much to have a lot of value.
great defense, good power. If Reddick reaches his poetential, he could put up numbers like Beltre’s, but that is a big if.
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I think Ellsbury before his injury...
… and subsequent attitude issues this season…
… showed a lot of promise as a lead off guy. I like him in that spot.
I don't know about that.
He seemed slap happy.
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no
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why didn't Tek start
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I love this amazing insight from MLBTR
It will be an active offseason for Boston
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I'm glad Rocco's gone
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me too
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how hard does he throw
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Will we retain Mcdonald?
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maybe, but he might be gone if we call up Kalish and move Cam to 4th OK.
assuming Kalish starts in AAA
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COELLO
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should stop throwing it
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He had a game with a crap-ton of Ks didn't he?
As in he set a personal record or something. Don’t remember.
it's a blowout...
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Giving guys time off...
Conceding this game, I think. Though I guess they swapped back to Pena in the on deck circle, thinking they can get back in now?
shit
Jennings is up. I didn’t know
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me neither
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Look at what he did last year and in '08.
He’s amazing.
His only issue is getting injured.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean 07.
He wasn’t that good in 08.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, '07.
Last year:
318/.401/.487
52/59 SBs
67/67 BB/K
Reputed plus defense in CF
Pretty amazing for a guy who was supposed to be extremely raw coming out of JuCo (focusing largely on football, no less).
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Sep 6, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Richardson will walk somebody
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absolutely.
wouldnt be suprised if they put up about 7 runs this inning.
Frustrating!
I know our chances for October are remote. However the one team we should want to beat is the Rays!!! I don’t care if we are up 100-2. As soon as this idiot walked in one run he should have been pulled. I have continued to watch and support the Sox no matter what. If we lose this freakin game….!!!
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 9:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
shut him down too.
He’s probably the 3rd best reliever right now
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Only if he's legitimately hurting.
Otherwise, he’s the kind of guy who could use more exposure/experience.
USG
So a newbie walks in two runs...
And we put in another walk prone newbie…
Solid managing…as usual
Tito is an absoulte joke...
and now Oki is warming….we’re losing this game… no doubt
because Tito didnt need to make any decisions then...lol
you’re quite the brainster
tank tank tank tank tank
JK….kinda
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Okay...
Atchinson this time… a chance to see if I’ve been trashing him for no reason. Get me out of this one, and I’ll stop, I swear!
That guy is umbelievably bad
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you wish you had his job i bet ?
:-)
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 6, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish you had his job
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being a major league baseball manager is the biggest joke of a job on the planet
by Drew Palmer on Sep 6, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
All you have to do is have played and be a “nice guy”
"Every night I go to bed thinking about when I’m going to play again. I dream about playing at Fenway."-Ryan Westmoreland
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
!?
Manager for the Red Sox has to be one of the most stressful jobs on the planet.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
Have to agree there.
Couple that with the Yankees managerial position, the Mets perhaps, the Cubs as well, and maybe another team or so.
so get one ,make the $$$$ they do you should be able to, you have so much baseball smarts!
how come we don’t see you in tito ’s place?
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 6, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why try to play matchups if the pitchers suck?
Who cares what arm they throw with?
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the rays have already given up
They’ve taken half of their starters out of the game.
It’s no time to get fancy.
Don't think my heart can take it!
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least I know all is right in the world...
New faces = Our bullpen still sucks
He'll pitch tomorrow!
And then Buck!
A SWEEP AND WE’RE PRACTICALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS GUYS!
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, no reason not to.
How many guys have been completely awful their first time up and done well ultimately? So long as these games mean nothing, why not dig for gold?
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt.
Didn’t look anything like a major league pitcher. But what’ve you got to lose?
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lester doesn't get the win tonight
I’d demand a trade
I'm sure we can deal you to the Orioles.
They need another vitriol-filled guy to go with that WestCoast fellow.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Did ESPN take his mugshot and just put a Sox hat on him??
Like when a player changes teams
'Don't vomit on the photographer don't vomit on the photographer don't vomit on the photographer don't vomit on the photographer.'
‘Oh God what if I vomit on the photographer I’m gonna blow oh here goes blsfalkgjkljads’
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Seriously...
Kalish >>>>>>> Ellsbury
He's got power, yeah
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Lars down in the count is a bad Lars...
Doesn’t need those borderline pitches called against him.
USG
at least that was a productive out
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Still
So long as he doesn’t let it get in his head, it’s productive.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I wrong in not being sold on Navarro?
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah I mean maybe it’s too early. I don’t see much if these guys in AAA or AA. I don’t believe fully in Minor League stats anyway.
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well those stats are a pretty healthy indicator
In regards to how the player will do. Most of the time at least.
I just don't think he'll ever have a starting role long term for the sox.
He’d be a good 2B/SS, but we already have those.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SSS. He was better than in AA, so pretty good.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
small sample size
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No reason to be sold right now.
No reason to be overly down on him either. He was in Double-A earlier this year.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true. I forgot just how little exp he has.
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm so tired of Drew's lazy grounders to 2nd
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Still blame Francona for waiting a month to give him any ABs vs. lefties.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 6, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that was incredibly stupid
I could understand if he wasn’t going to play him at all against LHP, but he was.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not fair Ben!! Everytime I bag on Tito I get crucified
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
That's because that ferret guy isn't here
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha good point. Im heart broken
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
Not much. Just put the boy to bed and watching the VT game
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well we got the first one! :-)
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 6, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good start man
but we’re gonna need about the next 14 methinks
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
The fact that the ATCH-ATTACK
Has been the most consistent bullpen arm we have is a little scary. Not counting Bard.
Whats up fellas, and any ladies around
Not too bad so far for a “There’s always next year” line up. Wish I could get some effing games out here….might have to spring for Extra Innings next year.
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DON'T get MLB.tv
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
It would be through Cox but its like 200 bucks
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
I paid like 100 for mine.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB.tv?
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yes
premium was about 110 or 120, but I was cheap. IDK if the price went up recently or something
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB Network
It is included in most HD packages, and carries a lot of Red Sox games (with the NESN broadcast).
I didn’t know it was out there until my buddy showed me in Vegas. I have the NESN broadcast on now over MLB Network here in Hawaii.
I hate Cox Communications prices for TV
Internet I’m fine with but they’re a bunch of jerks in their pricing for TV.
God yeah
It’s ridiculous. My bill is like 140/mo and I don’t have any movie channels or anything, just HD and the sports channels
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If you ger extra innings do it with DirecTV. You can watch NESN. With Comcast I only got the home team broadcast. That sucked.
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also think it's worth every penny
If you’re like me and like to watch as many games as possible while not living in Boston.
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dont know if I wanna deal with a dish, plus it will be more expensive overall. Maybe I just need more money
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I don’t mind the dish. I can program the DVR from my iPhone. It’s great. Maybe I just hate Comcast so much that I don’t mind it. But I like it.
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
whats it cost per month
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It all depends on your package, etc. I think they have some special now for a few free months. I also know they split up the Extra Inning payments. Works out to be a little over a dollar a game.
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Looks like I picked a heck of a game to miss the first eight innings. Nuts.
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
Bizzaro Oki would be the opposite of shitty Oki, which is what we've had all year.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pop quiz
Which Dice K shows up tomorrow?
by Fenway302 on Sep 6, 2010 10:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The good one?
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
Look at Oki getting one out in one batter!
Look at me getting excited over something like… a pitcher doing his job correctly.
good night
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good night bold and the leftovers of this motley crew :-)
keep the faith folks !
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Sep 6, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good start to the series!
Let’s hope it keeps up. Who knows what might happen! Feeling a little bit more positive, but we’ll see.
G’Night all.
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