Overtaxed and Overtasked Bullpen Blows Another One As ChiSox Sweep BoSox
After losing both ends of a doubleheader 3-1, the Red Sox suffered another two run loss at the hands of the White Sox, dropping the final game of the series 7-5.
In many ways this was the Red Sox' game to lose, and they certainly did so. The offense came through well enough off of a good pitcher in Mark Buehrle, as David Ortiz brought in two runs with a double in the third inning to take an early lead, and Victor Martinez again pushed the Red Sox ahead with a two run homer in the seventh. Bill Hall even added a fifth run in the eighth inning thanks to Adrian Beltre's leadoff double.
But man, this game got screwed up in a hurry.
Josh Beckett, to his credit, pitched quite well. He was a little hittable, but struck out nine batters in just over six innings, and hadn't walked anyone until the seventh.
That's when things went wrong. With 100 pitches on his arm already, Beckett came back out to start the inning, but clearly didn't have much left, giving up a four pitch walk to the leadoff man Juan Pierre. But Francona stuck with him, and after recording one more out, Beckett allowed a second four pitch walk to Alex Rios before being yanked.
In came Daniel Bard. The second out came quickly with a strikeout of Paul Konerko, but Carlos Quentin wasn't about to go down so quietly. A hard-hit ground ball came back to Bard, who threw up his glove defensively. The ball bounced towards third, Bard fired a rocket to first, and somewhere in the mix, it ended up knocked down and dribbling away from Mike Lowell. Two runs scored on the infield single.
Still, Bard was far from taxed. One pitchout lead to a caught stealing, and Bard went into the eighth inning with only ten pitches. And yet, for some reason, he was pulled for Hideki Okajima. After giving up a leadoff single and recording one out, in came Jonathan Papelbon for a five out save he was not quite up to.
The rest of the eighth went down cleanly enough. A 2-2 pitch grazed Manny Ramirez, pinch hitting for Mark Kotsay, but a strikeout and a flyout got the job done.
The ninth is where things fell apart completely. With a 5-3 lead, things looked OK for the Sox, but with two outs and a runner on second, Papelbon was gassed. On his 40th pitch, he gave up a double to Carlos Quentin. On his 41st, a game-tying single to Ramon Castro. Still, Francona left him in, leading to a walk of Alexei Ramirez.
Finally, Tito turned to the rest of the pen, but it was hardly the right time. The pressure was on, the go-ahead run was in scoring position, and Dustin Richardson and Robert Manuel could do nothing but walk guys. Three straight free passes later, and the White Sox had a 7-5 lead. The Red Sox went down in order in the ninth to finish things off.
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It's to the point where I can't even get mad about it anymore
We would have been 5 1/2 behind the Rays if we could have taken 2 out of 3. Instead we are 7 1/2 and even a sweep (which obviously won’t happen) will still leave us 4 1/2 back. This sweep was, in my opinion, the final nail in the coffin. Once again, it had a lot to do with Tito and his pitching changes. What a complete embarassment to get swept at home this late in the season with playoff hopes really hinging on this series. It’s simply unbelieveable. Oh well. There is always next year.
Can we please stop hoping about playoff hopes hinging on series A, B, and C?
I think this is the fourth series where playoff hopes have hinged on success, and we haven’t done well in any of them. This was over before this series. It was pretty much over before the Rays series too, because we pretty much weren’t going to sweep them.
USG
I completely agree
But ANY hopes we had were going to depend on how much ground we were able to make up prior to the Rays series. Unfortunately, I just need to be realistic wirh myself and realize that we simply aren’t fielding a lot of talent out there.
I can't wait until winter.
1. I’m tired of the heat.
2. Anything the Red Sox do will be in preperation for 2011. 2010 just needs to end.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 5, 2010 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its starting to drive me crazy
Francona is putting players in positions to fail. Bard onlythrew about 10 pitches, he should have started the 8th. Okajima has no buisness in this game and Papelbon should never have to throw 48 pitches. And finally, why put Manuel in that position? For God’s sake, he was being mock cheered. That bothered me. It’s not Manuel’s faut. He is who he is, and should never be put in that spot to fail.
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by bestbostonsports on Sep 5, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
It's stuff like this that makes me want to think that Francona is a bad manager.
If the team was headed for the playoffs, we’d pretty much blow this off because the team as on pace for it’s goal. That’s where most of the pro Francona stuff comes from. Those people just focus on what the team has done. There was absolutely no reason Okajima should have been in the game. He has a .824 OPS against lefties, .390 OBP. Bard on the other hand has a .439 OPS against lefties. It doesn’t matter what hand/arm the guy is if his splits are gonna be worse. Not every lefty hits worse against left, and not every righty hits worse against right. It’s like Francona takes this average fan approach to the game. This guy is a manager. He’s there because he’s supposed to know more than you and me, right? I’d like to think Francona is a good player/ego manager, but I can’t see if he hugs them or kisses their boo-boos. However, I can see that he sits there for 5-7 innings and then makes questionable bullpen decisions. I know the pen is horrible this year, but he’s still made some bonehead decisions.
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by bestbostonsports on Sep 6, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been saying the same thing for the past few seasons.
As you said, people look past his idiot decisions because we’ve always made the post season. And I have a strange suspicion that we are going to be in for more of the same. He’s great when it comes to his players and the media, but I’m extremely critical when it comes to his tactical decisions during a game. Once again, you put the best arms you have in there to win a game. Granted, Bard made a bonehead play to let those 2 runs come in, but you have to keep him in. Injuries or not (and they have played a tremendous part in where we are right now), this season has become an incredible emabarrasment.
Are you really going to call this an embarrassment ?
An embarrassing season is one in which there were lots of things that went wrong for a specific reason that could have been changed. This season is not that. This season I think showed a lot about the heart and depth of this team. I think it’s a season to look at and be 100% proud of. We lost just about everyone. Lackey, Lester, JD Drew, Scutaro and Beltre. That’s it. Those were the only ones to not see the DL. Without following the season and someone told you the Sox had lost for stretches everyone but those five what would your guess on final win total be? A hell of a lot less than what we’re going to end up with. Fuck the bullpen, we would have gotten damn close to 100 wins even if it did suck just by getting those position players back. But for a team fielding other team’s castoffs, journeymen, AAAA and unheralded prospects? Damn, this season has been an accomplishment for our depth. This outcome was unavoidable given our injuries and it’s a miracle we’re going to win as many as we have. Lots of credit on Theo for going out and getting guys like Nava, or McDonald who probably never had a real chance for this much time elsewhere. He said that this team would compete and he wasn’t kidding.
But like I try to say below, what are we playing for? The season is over and it has been for a while. We’re playing for next year now. I can’t help but believe that our place in the standings affects which personnel moves are made. Putting Oki a little more frequently is part of that since as it stands he’s getting non-tendered. If he can put up a few good innings he may build some sort of trade value for a team trying to catch a bargain.
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In a word "yes".
When you look at the squandered opportunities to gain ground and when you look at the blown saves and the 11 walk off losses. Regardless of the injuries, that is an embarrassment plain and simple.
I'm tired of hearing about the injuries
The Sox have the second highest runs scored in all of baseball this year.
No position player injury changed their playoff chances.
The Sox are missing the playoffs because their pitching sucked. Sometimes it was the rotation, sometimes it was the bullpen, sometimes it was both. Pedroia, Ellsbury, Cameron, Youk, ’tek. None of their injuries mattered. Second highest runs scored in all of baseball.
It’s embarassing that John Farrell can’t get more out of the names he’s got to work with.
Could have had the highest period. We could have scored 100 more.
And guess what? Pitching is effected by DEFENSE. We haven’t had a legitimate major league tested CF in the field. Dustin Pedroia for Bill Hall? Youkilis for Lowell? Come on now.
USG
Dude. Let the payroll thing go.
It’s irrelevant.
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I'm glad you answered all of our replies to that in the other thread.
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By ignoring our argument you validate it
Don’t spout off the same crap unless you can back it up with further debate.
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You’re always so pleasant, Rogue.
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I try
But when someone takes the time to post a well thought out response to counter someone’s point at least I have the courtesy to reply to it, whether it changed my thoughts on something or not. It’s even more aggravating when the same person then goes and makes the same post later without even acknowledging the replies made on it previously.
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I'm working 10 straight
When I can pop on, I can pop on. Sorry I wasn’t able to respond, or even remember the specific thread.
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Sean O is right in a way.
I think injuries have been 70% of the problem with just plain blowing it at 30%. The team has just blown it in many situations which is embarrassing.
Ortiz with the bases loaded against TB in the bottom early in the season
Dice blowing a 4 or 5 run lead against TB
Francona letting Beckett blow a huge lead against Tex
Blowing games against last place teams, failing to sweep teams given the chance
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
during a 162 game season, even the best teams 'just plain blow it' quite a few times.
The best teams just have more margin to absorb those losses.
and given the number of innings and at bats that subs have played for the Red Sox
it is not fair to claim that the Red Sox fielded a $170M team on the field all year.
I didn't mention payroll.
But any way you put it, injury problems or not, they failed to beat the bad teams, pitchers.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 6, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah - the payroll bit was really pointed upstairs a bit.
I totally agree they ‘blew’ many losses. But my point is still that that is simply baseball. Blowing a lot of games happens every season. Other teams blow them in your favor. That is in the noise. The important thing is to win a dominant number of games ‘outright’ – that is, winning more games beyond the reach of chance.
Which brings up another point.
The shitty April that we had (which was also embarrassing). We’ve had to play catch up all season long in the toughest division in baseball. The bad start out of the gate was just as bad as the pitching woes and the injuries.
I wouldn’t put much more of a value on a slump at the begging of the season rather than the middle or the end. A 9-11 stretch is a 9-11 stretch no matter what month it was in. If it was flipped an we hat a great run at the start and then slumped for 20 games we’d still be at the same place and the “catch up all season” line doesn’t even come into play.
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injuries are a part of the problem
But other than Youk and Pedroia, we didn’t lose anyone of value for an abnormal amount of time. Martinez was out for a perfectly normal time for MLB injuries. Ellsbury and Cameron just aren’t that good, so the fall to D-Mac and everyone else isn’t that great.
We are currently 10 games from the AL East lead. Yes, losing many of these players was a blow, but this wasn’t a team that could compete with NY and TB. Do you really think that our larger-than-usual number of injuries from what could be expected (from an extremely old team) is a full 10 games?
Properly marshaling your resources is the sign of a good organization. We sign old, good-but-not-great players to ridiculous contracts and wait for them to collapse with no backup plan. And we haven’t acquired a top-of-the-line player since Thanksgiving of 2003, a top of the line player in his prime since Manny.
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Let me clarify
I meant, we haven’t signed any player for multiple seasons who is at the very top of his position. We’ve given huge money to Drew (very good, but not astonishing), Lowell (slightly above average, became way worse), Lackey (inconsistent, good-but-not-great), and Beckett (inconsistent, injury-prone, total douchebag).
We don’t try to get great players, but have a coterie of mediocrity. And so we finish at the definition of mediocrity, 3rd place out of 5.
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J.D. Drew WAS at the very top of his position when he signed
And played like it in 2008 and 2009.
USG
Lester: drafted
Buckles: drafted
Bard: drafted
Pedroia: drafted
Youkilis: drafted
Belter: love him, but he’s a contract-year wonder. That’s why I wanted him for short-term only. And, generally, pales next to the Longo/Wright/uninjured Chipper Jones type.
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So we don't get our great players through FA
That doesn’t mean we don’t have them. The method shouldn’t matter when considering the final product.
USG
We blow our cash
on mediocre FA players. There’s no upper cap on great players, but Theo prefers to give, say, 80% of top-player money to players who will give 50% of the return.
We would be better off spending Fatassia-level money for his production, instead of the lesser-but-still-huge amounts we’re giving both Lackey and Beckett.
We need to stop getting players like Lowell and Scutaro, period.
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Yeah, because those deals for Teix and A-Rod are looking great right now.
The fact is that when Theo makes a deal he does it hoping for production through the length of the contract. These deals for the “greats” are basically expecting a second half where guys are ancient and a last few years where they can barely even play.
Have Lackey and Beckett turned out so far? Did Lowell? No, but they all could have. He wasn’t throwing money away in any given year.
USG
cough Matt Holiday cough
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They could have
but they didn’t. Lowell, Beckett and Lackey are the types of player that can’t afford a regression. I’d rather a great player regress to good than a good player regress to the bench.
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4 outs?
Is that too much to ask from our closer?
Whatever. I don’t give up until the math says I have to.
My general thought on this
What are we playing for? Our future for this year is grim and looking grimmer. Honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if management has packed it in for the season. Maybe we’re pitching Oki more and Bard less to see if many he can show some value down the run, if he doesn’t, oh well, we aren’t keeping him anyway but maybe he can show someone something that he can pitch and maybe get some cash for him or something. This loss matters no more than any of the others we’ve had this year.
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Well, personally, I threw in the towel on the playoffs as of the Rays series
even though I know it is mathematically still not over. That just put the bar too high to reasonably expect to reach without Youk and Pedroia and the other missing pieces.
It is just easier to enjoy the games from a let’s-win-this-game-for-its-own-sake sense if you just forget about the playoff picture.
Unfortunately, when you lose 3 in a row … ugh.
The frustrating thing is that our offense laid an egg in the prior 2 games. Now our pitching blows up in this last game. Everyone jumps on Tito and how he deployed his pitchers in this game (and from a tactical sense, I can’t disagree – I hated seeing Oki come in.). Shouldn’t we be beating up on the offense for sucking freaking wind in the prior three games? If we had scored some runs and taken the first 2, loosing the last of of the series would be irritating due to how it happened, but the edge certainly have been blunted.
Regarding the pulling of Bard and sending Oki out – I can only guess that either Bard isn’t feeling as strong as we’d like and Tito is still worried about over working him or they really really really for some reason want to see if Oki can salvage the season and restore lost value. The latter would of course affirm that mgmt has punted on the season, so don’t expect they would ever admit that’s the case.
In some sense I do think Tito is struggling with how to deal with such a crappy middle bullpen. No move ever seems to work with them – even trying to NOT use them blows up. Maybe there are other managers who might do a better job with that aspect of the game. Would they also do as well with other aspects? I can be critical of the decisions such as sending Oki out when I’d rather see Bard stay in. I can be critical of the decisions to play Patterson so much earlier when I thought he was a poor alternative.
But I also have to acknowledge that with a lineup that for a huge extended part of the season has been about 50% made up of minor league and bench players, to be even remotely in sight of 90 wins deserves a bit of credit.
I don’t have to be blind to Tito’s apparent shortcomings to also acknowledge the record of his successes.
In the end, its probable that with better luck – and far fewer injuries – Tito’s bullpen mgmt decisions would be moot. Not necessarily gone, but probably far less relevant.
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Lars is up.
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