Trade With Dodgers
by magicbosox on Sep 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
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PrintThe Red Sox and Dodgers both have interesting off-seasons coming up. What if they helped each other out? They matchup in a couple of places. Take a look:
Red Sox get: SU Jonathan Broxton
C Russel Martin
CF Matt Kemp
1B James Loney (and Youk would play 3rd)
Dodgers get: CL Jonathan Papelbon
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
C Salty
Prospect
This would put Boston at:
SS Scutaro
2B Laser Show
3B Youk
DH Papi
CF Kemp
RF Drew
1B Loney
LF Kalish/Cameron
C Martin
CL Bard, SU Broxton
Thoughts?
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Not sure the Dodgers want to downgrade at every position.
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by Rogue Nine on Sep 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah
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by bestbostonsports on Sep 3, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
also unsure why we would want to
move youk over to third in place of James “Kotchman” Loney or why we would want Russell “I used to be able to hit” Martin.
Sounds like a fair trade. Everyone loses!
Hey, if this gets floated at Theo, by all means!
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This might be generous
Kemp for Ells- equal
Pap for Broxton- equal
Salt for Martin- Matin hasn’t been great recently, but I’ll still say LA lost here.
Lars for Loney- Loney isn’t good, but He is a current major league, so I’ll say LA loses here
That prospect had better be pretty damn good.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 3, 2010 9:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kemp is better than Ells
Broxton is better than Paps
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
correct
But Lars + Salt + prospect for Loney and Martin? no way.
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by bestbostonsports on Sep 4, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Martin has forgotten how to hit and Loney isn't great,
so if that prospect would be a top guy ( Kelly, Kalish, Rizzo) then it isn’t as much of a one sided deal as you might think.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 4, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
huh?
why would you give up a top guy for a guy who forgot how to hiy and Loney?
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by bestbostonsports on Sep 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying it would take a good prospect for LA to do the deal
When i say the deal, I mean the full deal including Kemp and Broxton.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm saying it would take a good prospect for LA to do the deal
When i say the deal, I mean the full deal including Kemp and Broxton.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like I said, I was being very generous.
Kemp sucks this year, so 09 Ells is better than 10 Kemp.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 4, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He does have 22 HR, though...
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 4, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But 09 Kemp was still better than 09 Ells...
by A2004LoveAffair on Sep 8, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He still took a major step back
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Broxton is not better than Papelbon
If one is looking at a premier tommy john candidate by his mechanics and the weight he is carrying, Broxton is up there… I see Paps breaking down on another team because he has a pretty delicate shoulder.
Once again, throwing very high heat isn’t the money pitch, it is the location. The great Mariano is still around, because of one thing, late movement of his money pitch..
Broxton has a higher WHIP and one less blown save right now than Papelbon. I hardly thinks he is better than Paps…
Now, if Billy Wagner doesn’t want to retire after the 2010 season, perhaps the Sox should see what they can offer him…
FFS, what is the obsession with blown saves?
WHO CARES? It’s an arbitrary stat. IIRC, a save situation is less than a 4 run margin. So if the closer went in with a 3 run lead and gave up 2 runs, he would still get a save. But if he went in with t a 1 run lead and gave up 1 run, then it’s a blown save. Now which performance is worse?
Papelbon- BABIP: .251, K/9: 9.05, BB/9 3.43, HR/9: .94, WAR: .9
Broxton- BABIP: .367, K/9: 11.29, BB/9: 3.11, HR/9: .33, WAR: 1.8
Broxton’s peripherals look much better.
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At first I blew this off as craziness and I think some of you did also.
You could make the case that this is a fair trade or even an LA win.
Broxton > Paps
Kemp > Ells- Although, Kemp is having a down year
Martin > Salt- This one is kinda strange. Martin’s offense is nowhere to be found, so LA could put Salt in RIGHT NOW and not lose any OFFENSIVE production. Martin does have a good arm.
Loney = Lars- I think Lars could definitely be as good as Loney if not better, but it might take 1-2 mores years in AAA. The problem is Loney is the current LA starter, but I’m sure they could find somebody to OPS around .750 in the meantime.
Now the prospect comes into play. It would have to be one of our top 3: Kelly, Kalish, or Rizzo. The question is do LA’s losses equal the price tag of a top prospect?
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If it is between those three, I would think that the Sox would perhaps be wiling to give Rizzo, and perhaps make up for the loss of the two 1B prospects with moving Lavaranway to 1B full time… I’d be cool with that, even if Rizzo stopped slumping and Lavaranway stopped raking
I am fond of jumping off of cliffs...
Weiland isn't good, and Tazawa is coming off of TJS.
That would never work.
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OK, but just saying "prospect" usually doesn't imply a blue chipper. It's like a throw in.
You specifically name guys like Kalish, Kelly, and Rizzo. Consider that he named Lars. That suggests the prospect is below Lars’ level.
Either way, though, I’d say there’s a lot of “no point” here. Why do the Red Sox WANT Loney? Why do they want Martin for that matter? It’s a ridiculous deal which is just sort of “Let me throw out equal positions here.”
USG
I don't think this trade would help at all unless Kemp went back to his 5 WAR ways.
Maybe if that prospect is a C level guy. It would be like trading for a closer upgrade and a chance for a great CF, but it comes with guys that would most likely be non factors. Well, at least non factors after next year.
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by BoldandBrash on Sep 5, 2010 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Victor Martinez isn't sign during the off season..
I do see the Sox looking into Martin as a fallback..
dream on
The Red Sox are NOT trading Papplebon or Ellsbury. OK, we’re all a little dissapointed by thier 2010 performance and contributions, but we are talking about the closer and the starting CF/leadoff hitter for a playoff contending team. And just what is the value of either right now? OK, the Mets may fork over a decent prospect for one year of Papplebon if they can cancel K-Rod’s contract (unlikely), but very few if any other teams are going to give up value for a one year $10+mil. guy that is certainly testing FA. Ellsbury is coming off a injury-plagued season, and I guess he would have some value, but he is a young, still promising player that is under the Sox control for another 3-4 years, and the Sox are not the Marlins, they don’t mind paying arbitration numbers.
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