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Is 'Versatility' The New Direction For The Red Sox?

Who's in center? Between Kalish and Reddick, it could be either.  (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images)

With all the injuries the Red Sox have faced this season, fans have been forced to listen to management justifying the presence of players like Eric Patterson and Bill Hall with the claim of "versatility". Now, Bill Hall's bat has been fine, but still, it's not exactly the most popular buzz word 'round Boston these days. Too bad for us, because it looks like the Red Sox are going to stick with that strategy for the immediate future.

Luckily, it also seems like they're going to do it right

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Last offseason, the Red Sox seemed to have the best chance of any team to resign Jason Bay. He had performed well with the team, had no particular problems with either the fanbase or management, and was one of the top free agents while the Sox were one of the top payroll teams. A match made in heaven, right?

Only not, because the Sox offered him only two years based on the idea that his knees weren't going to hold up.

How about Victor Martinez, the Red Sox' All-Star catcher headed to free agency? Recently he, too, was given a surprisingly short two-year offer. Now, that could just be the Sox starting low...Or it could be a sign of the Sox' new position on versatility and defense.

After all, both players share the same issue. Bay, already a questionable defender in left, had the knees to take him out of the field altogether in not-too-long at all. Victor Martinez also projects to be potentially positionless by 2012.

And then there's the up-and-comers. Consider the pair of outfielders that the Sox have brought up for September in Ryan Kalish and Josh Reddick. While both of them have the potential to bring well above-average bats to the show, they can also both play center field, and have the arms for right (particularly Reddick) Yamaico Navarro and Jed Lowrie are both capable of manning second, third, or shortstop. Their recent drafting speaks to it too, with a number of players being drafted who can play any number of positions. Other than maybe Ryan Lavarnway, the Red Sox just haven't been drafting many guys who its hard to place in the field.

Even at the typically defensively bankrupt positions, the Sox don't seem content to fill the spots with players who don't actually play the part. Obviously Kevin Youkilis is a premier defensive first baseman, but lo-and-behold so is up-and-coming prospect Anthony Rizzo. And if Reddick and Kalish can fill in in right, they can certainly handle left.

This is not to say that the Red Sox intend to field a team of Pattersons, just that the one-dimensional days may be well-and-truly gone. David Ortiz may be the last of his kind in Boston if this trend continues. True versatility can provide a great deal of strategic benefit to a team, be it in playing pitcher-batter matchups effectively without sacrificing defense, or in making mid-season acquisitions when a star becomes available at a seemingly filled position. It becomes much more palatable to start, say, Jed Lowrie at third next year, after all, if we consider our ability to shuffle around the players to accommodate a midseason trade for one of the members of the big 2012 first base free agent class.

Oh, God, I risk starting up Adrian Gonzalez trade talks again with that line, don't I? Best shut up now before things get too crazy.

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Yes, versatility is fine, but as the old saying goes, "if you have 3 (fill in the position), you really have none. This is just not how baseball works for the most part. players want some cosistency in the positions they are playing. Sure, Youk can play 3B very well if needed, and I’m sure Pedroia could play SS if needed, but why weaken the lineup by moving players that are excellent in their positions? Patterson, Lowrie, Hall, etc. are so “versitile” because they haven’t proven themselves to be everyday starters. They have to be ready and willing to move around because that keeps them in the major leagues.
In my dream for next year, I would have Beltre and V-Mart back, and sign Adam Dunn to be the DH and third corner OF. That would give some versatility in the DH spot. On the other hand, I have no issue having Papi back for a year or two. Having V-Mart around to take a few games at DH for Papi solves another issue.

by Scoop1981 on Sep 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I think Lowrie has shown enough to be a starter

And he may be next season.

In my dream, Dunn holds a bat and doesn’t even think about wearing a glove. Him in LF is maybe more terrifying than WMP out there. We’ve got all the OF we need between Drew Cameron Ellsbury Kalish McDonald Nava.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah lowrie is versatile, not "versatile"

he actually plays good defense at at least two positions (short and third) and has a very good looking bat. He just hasn’t been the starter because he was on the 60 day DL at the beginning of the year. In my mind, he should absolutely start over Scutaro in 2011, and if he isn’t at least given a chance to, I think that will significantly hurt the team.

In my mind, Dunn at first base is about as good an option as Ortiz at first base. Dunn in left field is about as good an option as Varitek in left field.

by wolf9309 on Sep 17, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed... Dunn is a DH.

And with another solid season by Big Papi this year, I don’t see any reason to grab Dunn for 2011. He crushes the ball, but swings and misses a ton too, with no defense to speak of. I’d rather see Big Papi at DH, with Beltre and V-Mart siged for short-term deals as the minor leaguers get some more seasoning.

by AlohaSox on Sep 17, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it's better to keep players at one position consistently

The real advantage of flexibility comes when you need to make short-term changes. Say your 3B comes down with a case of food poisoning and has to miss a few days in the middle of a road trip, and the normal backup gets a 24-hour bug. It’s pretty good in those cases to have an SS that can move over to 3B, while the other backup infielder takes SS.

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by lone1c on Sep 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having Dunn play the OF is like having Papi play 1B except much much worse.

The guy can’t play 1B, let alone the OF.

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by BoldandBrash on Sep 17, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Victor Martinez also projects to be potentially positionless by 2012."

Projects?

By whom? By what method? Based on what?

Folks keep repeating that – but it is based on nothing other than itself being repeated, from what I can tell.

Somebody please show me some practical, evidentiary basis for that ‘projection’ or can we please just stop repeating it?

There are lots of statistical reasons to think that V-Mart will be able to play catcher for the next several years.

by mmmmm on Sep 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

I brought this up somewhere around here earlier today. There is no formula for catchers. Someone just said something about him and it stuck. Annoys the crap out of me.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 17, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he already isn't a good catcher.

He moves poorly behind the plate to begin with, what about when his knees start breaking down?

There are some guys who really last a long time back there as starters, but they’re the exception to the rule. Lots of catchers either step out from behind the plate, or lose a lot of their offensive ability as their bodies break down, and it tends to be around 33-35 years old. Bench, Berra, Varitek, Piazza, Pudge Rodriguez, etc.

Guys Victor’s age at any position are already considered in the back-end of their prime. While those who are initially good defenders at catcher can stay behind the plate thanks to experience and instincts, their bats tend to go downhill as their knees deteriorate, but still remain valuable given how there’s not much expected from the position anyways. The others who aren’t so good tend to have to cut their losses and take their bat and hope it plays elsewhere.

Now, at his best, Victor could be a good first baseman between offense and defense. But he’s not a particularly impressive one, and the Red Sox aren’t really likely to have a lack of better first baseman in the near future. They can also probably find a pretty decent .850 OPS bat for DH in the immediate future (Lavarnway, Lars/Rizzo or Youk, etc.), so I don’t see a big space there.

I just don’t see Victor Martinez, already a guy with questionable abilities behind the plate, being one of those long-lasting guys. And I certianly wouldn’t risk a year or two of 13-15 million dollars of him being without a place on the team for a year or two of him being a mediocre defensive catcher with a decent bat.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I don't think VMart is a lock to stay behind the plate,

I don’t think he’s really terrible. Also, his knees are probably in better condition than most, considering that he wasn’t converted to catcher until very late. So I think it evens out.

by ThePanda on Sep 17, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Ben.

There is a fall off for catchers at a certain age, and Victor has always been a good offensive catcher, not a good defensive catcher.

With the candidates in the minors at 1B/DH, he has a position © as long as he can still do an above average job there, but in two years? He is probably looking for a 1B/DH role somewhere, but not in Boston.

I’d like to see him there in 2011, and I’m willing to give him 2012 if it keeps him here next year, but I’d rather not see him extended to 2013. By then, I think he’ll have less value, though to your point… I’m not sure where the statistical evidence is to support that for V-Mart beyond the historical evidence for other catchers as they passed their prime.

by AlohaSox on Sep 17, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn... ( C ) rather than (C).

Didn’t realize it would convert my ( C ) – without spaces – to a © symbol.

by AlohaSox on Sep 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

But again, you haven't really said anything concrete.

The problem is, of course that defensive value of catchers is really difficult to quantify, so usually such assessments are purely opinion.

In the one big statistical analysis that came out last year that tried to break down all the different things that catchers due and rate all the catchers, V-Mart came out right smack in the middle.

Whether there is a meaningful value difference between the guys at the top and the bottom of those rankings is very debatable.

It is also questionable that that variance provides value that is anywhere near as important as the variance in offensive value between the top & bottom hitting catchers.

All you’ve done, Ben, is again repeat vague generalities – ‘Guys Victors age … ’ , ’Lots of catchers …’, and opinions “I just don’t see …”

You still haven’t provided anything concrete that truly indicates

a) that V-Mart is anything less than perfectly acceptably average defensively as a catcher and

b) that his defense will decline so drastically over the next 3-4 years that we couldn’t tolerate his defense in order to carry his bat at catcher.

I also would really like to hear from someone © what is the better alternative? I keep looking around and I just don’t see a lot of decent hitting catchers, anywhere.

by mmmmm on Sep 18, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if the Sox won't go to 3 years for V-Mart.

I think it’s fairly likely that Martinez will get a 4-year offer somewhere, but a higher average salary over 3 years with Boston might get it done. I don’t think that’d be a terrible investment, even if he’s a part-time catcher/1B/DH for the last year. 4 years gets dicey.

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by SoxDevil on Sep 17, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

V-Mart's sell by date is

Either when he is physically incapable of being the catcher, or whenever the Sox have a viable candidate ready to replace him, acquired either through trade or by promotion through the ML system.

Right now, I think he can probably go two or three more years as a catcher, and I doubt there will be a minor league catcher ready before 2013. I also greatly doubt that the Sox will be able to acquire one via trade (pace NG), and their relatively low drafting position makes it even harder to draft a “can’t miss” catcher.

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by lone1c on Sep 17, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Also – while obviously not ideal from a pay or production standpoint – VMart is not going to cripple the team by being stashed at DH for a year, or maybe even two…

Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Sep 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Sep 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think VMart is definitely worth a 3-year contract. The Sox had the most offensive production at the catcher position before he went down in July. He`s tough, he`s competitive and he`s a good guy in the clubhouse (unless you`re Adrian Beltre`s head), Why do people say he`s not a good catcher? Certainly, Buchholz has thrived with Victor behind the plate. He even can catch Wakefield. He recently gunned down Kotchman and Figgins (several times) in Seattle. He`s caught for how many Cy Young winners? No, he`s not the best at defense but he`s very solid. If he can catch for at least 2 more years, he`s worth it. I`d like to see Papi back next year, but by 2012 or 13, who knows? Victor at part-time catcher and DH doesn`t seem shabby.

by Hallelujah2004 on Sep 17, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Figgins?

Wasn’t it Varitek that threw out Figgins twice in the same game, or did V-Mart do it too? If Figgins got thrown out that many times in the series, I have to wonder if something’s wrong with his wheels. Neither Tek or V-Mart is known for throwing out baserunners.

I’m not questioning his game calling ability, just his ability to throw out runners. I haven’t looked at the stats lately, but early in the season it was painful. Not sure whether the Cy Young winners he’s caught can be attributed to him, either, considering how both have performed without him.

by AlohaSox on Sep 17, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Tek threw him out twice, VMart did once

not sure there’s anything wrong with his running, just stupidity. He was just running every remote chance he got because he’s trying to boost his SB numbers.
FWIW too, one of the times he was CS he should have been safe.

by wolf9309 on Sep 18, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The point about mentioning that he caught for CY winners

is that his supposed ‘defensive deficiencies’ didn’t apparently hurt them.

Just like it is obvious that his defense isn’t hurting Buchholz.

Personally, the ability to throw out runners is pretty much last on my list of things I consider important in catcher defense. I’m doubtful that it correlates much with winning.

by mmmmm on Sep 18, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

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