Red Sox Salvage Series Split Behind Dominant Daisuke
Believe it or not, Daisuke Matsuzaka's ERA is down under 4.00. Since giving up seven runs to the Yankees in under five innings on May 17, Matsuzaka has given up 23 earned runs over his last 68 innings--good for a 3.04 ERA.
After eight more innings of one run ball tonight, that number has dropped to 2.84, enough to counter his horrible start and leave him at a 3.96 ERA on the season.
Daisuke did exactly what Sox fans have always wanted him to do tonight. He pounded the strike zone, allowed only two walks, induced weak contact, and generally just worked his way systematically through the Indians lineup. The only spot on an otherwise terrific night came on Shin-Soo Choo's solo shot.
The Red Sox offense was quiet to start the night against Indian's rookie Josh Tomlin, who retired the lineup in order with three perfect innings to start the game. But then came the fourth. Marco Scutaro's one-out single broke up the perfect game before walks from Victor Martinez and J.D. Drew loaded the bases for Adrian Beltre with two outs.
Up until tonight, the biggest flaw in Beltre's fantastic season was an inability to hit with the bases loaded, managing a putrid .100/.136/.100 line. With one swing, Beltre undid all that, lifting a fly ball to left field and into the monster seats for a grand slam, putting the Red Sox on top 4-1.
J.D. Drew would add a pair of runs with a bases loaded single in the eighth inning.
Hideki Okajima would bring some drama to the situation, allowing three baserunners while recording only one out in the ninth. Suddenly in a save situation, the Sox turned to Jonathan Papelbon, who closed out the night with a pair of strikeouts, relying once again on his splitter and giving the Sox the 6-2 win.
Having saved a series split against the Indians, the Red Sox head into an all important series in New York tomorrow.
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If we sweep this series, I'll allow myself some hope for getting to the postseason.
SSS luck could still get us there.
So when is Beltre going to get injured?
You were all thinking it.
Next year
after he resigns
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 5, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Do you all know if the Red Sox take three games vs NYY, they will be only 3.5 out?
Will the season still be over?
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
Obviously
The season has been over since April.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 6, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
you're approaching this as if you're opposing a consensus which doesn't exist in reality
It’s not everyone on the internet has said the season is over and you disagree. Some vocal members of this blog said they think the season is essentially over, and a few more vocal members agreed that it’ll be a hell of a fight to get to the top. No one’s said they are mathematically eliminated.
OK
Some more numbers:
So I’ve looked it over and put together a somewhat realistic set of conditions to see how it would turn out.
Step 1: Sox win every series against Yanks and Rays (no sweeps)
Step 2: Sox win every other series (no sweeps)
Step 3: Yanks take 4 out of 7 against Rays
Step 4: Yanks and Rays each win every other series (no sweeps)
It is only fair to assume that if we will win every series that they will as well.
In this scenario this is how the division plays out:
Yanks – 100-62
Rays – 99-63
Sox – 98-64
The point of this is, even if we play fantastic, near .700 level ball for the rest of the way, without Youk, and without Pedey for a while (presumably he still has a rehab assignment to do since he’s been out so long) that is going to be tough and we can still miss the playoffs because there are two very good, healthier teams that are better than us and rather far ahead in the standings.
Of course this can be tweaked to say the Yanks win so many series and lose so many, but to assume that we win all of what’s left is quite a tall order as well.
So you’ve got to quit with the patronizing or you better pray you’re right. Why can’t you just take personal satisfaction of being one of the few left with hope and then rub it in our faces later? Because rubbing it in our faces now just isn’t really going to end well for you if we end up being right (even if we don’t want to be right).
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Im not trying to be right
though I hope I am, and I dont wanna rub anything in anyones faces. Im just saying they are still in it and it amazes me so many people think otherwise
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 6, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the way you pose the question.
Do you all know if the Red Sox take three games vs NYY, they will be only 3.5 out?
Will the season still be over?
We’re not ignorant and it sounds like you’re trying to paint us as such, much the same way my little sister used to when we were little. Sort of a “Will you believe me then?!” it creates a you v. us situation instead of actual debate, you’re sort of calling us out that way. Of course if we beat the Yanks this weekend it helps, we all know that.
That doesn’t change that over the next 50 games, missing Youk for all of it and Pedrioa for a week or two more, we have to play at a level of play we haven’t sustained for a period of 50 games even with Youk and Pedrioa. Besides us playing at that level, we’re also having to bank on the Yanks and Rays playing .500 level ball the rest of the way out, a level of play that they haven’t played at for that amount of time this year either. They’ve had some bad 10 game stretches but being that bad for how good they are for 50 games? Hard to count on that. Also hard to count on us improving by a large amount, Youk being out means we’re downgrading at first to Lowell/VMart and then downgrading at catcher from VMart to Cash, our worst player.
A better way to pose it without seeming to rub it in our faces:
If we can win the series this weekend we’ll only be 4 (3 with a sweep) games back with about 50 games left, do you guys think that’ll help turn the tides a little in our favor?
It’s less intrusive on our beliefs and allows us to find common ground.
My answer to that question instead of the one I posted above is:
Yes, it would be tremendous for this team to take 3 out of 4 in New York to start a 10 game road trip. That would be the sort of momentum we haven’t had this year with the injuries and could fire up the team for a run to the top.
Instead you got the thought out snoody response with all the numbers that make me pessimistic about our chances and driving me further from the middle ground that presumably you want us all to have.
People don’t think we’re in because of what I’ve been saying the last couple of days, it really isn’t up to us anymore. We can play great for the next two months and win every series and there are still ways for us to not make it. It’s hard to say that yes, for certain we’re going to play great, despite what we’re missing and that yes, the Yanks and Rays are going to nosedive. It just seems now that the odds are stacked against us and we accept that.
If we were at this point right now and only a couple games back it’s a different story because in that situation if we play really well it can make the difference on our own instead of what we’re actually looking at now.
Just the way we see it and you chose to look at it with more optimism and that’s fine but you’ll find a more positive response if you post things like “We’ve got a lot riding on this weekend” instead posting “agree” or “disagree” statements on every post on the matter.
It also doesn’t help that I LOVE to argue (if you haven’t figured that out already) and at my internship I generally have nothing to do all day except for between 2-4, so don’t take it personally, I just have a firm belief that I feel is being questioned so I want to defend it, if it sparks some debate awesome, I would love to hear your reasoning beyond the “6 games back line.”
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Aug 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're a cool guy, I've gathered this from your posts here...
But, I can’t for the life of me, at 4 o’clock at the office, get myself to read a post of this length…haha
Haha thanks I guess
I felt my shorter posts weren’t getting through too well, the best way to explain my thoughts I figured was to spell them out line for line. This was an awesome skill in grade school back when most thought a 4 page paper was torture, I can BS like crazy now.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
wow that was a lot to read
I get your point, I wont go around with my “blind optimism” anymore.
But I will, however, rub it in your face when I am right.
and I like to argue to, in case you havent see ;)
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And right I hope you are and I will gladly take any face rubbing to be handed out
Because October is going to SUCK if there isn’t playoff baseball I can get my head into, especially since I move back to Maine October 1st having been out of NESN land all summer.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
ah, that would suck
Im not saying its likely, just that it is possible.
BTW, I know the non-NESN feeling, I live half the year in Florida and get the MLB package and get stuck with other announcers half the time
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 6, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it blows, I’ve become a closet Nats/Strasburg fan down here since it’s the only good baseball to watch. Whoda thunk that the Nats would look great compared to the O’s, I never saw it coming.
Seriously, we hand Rizzo the rosters to all our minor league teams and say, pick 10 and we’ll take Stras. OK, maybe not seriously, but I’ve seen him pitch a few times now and that is the most effortless 100 mph fastball I’ve ever seen and the change is pretty nasty too, he’s just incredible for having played college last year.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You have seen him play live?
I must say, I love the Nats too, they look good in the future years.
Im not sure Id part with Kalish for Strasburg right now, he looks awesome ;)
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 7, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen him twice live, once when he was with Harrisburg and then again earlier last month.
The kid just racks up K’s like crazy and really frustrates the hell out of the other batters. If mentality wasn’t a part of the game maybe the Pirates would have beaten him that first game, but eventually they just decided that they wanted to SO because he’s that good.
Luckily, Kalish isn’t on a minor league roster right now. ;-P
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
We have to decide...
…whether we want to be sitting ahead of the Yankees or ahead of the Rays, as things play out. Wildcard or division is less important in my mind than having at least one of those two teams sitting behind us (both would be great, but let’s keep our demands realistic :)) I can’t stand the Rays fans, for the most part, but I really can’t stand the Yankees personnel. If I am having to root for a team to ‘help’ my team into the post season, I’m pulling for the Rays to ramp it up against the Pinstripes. So… we do damage to the Yankees, manage a split in the six we have remaining with the Rays, let Maddon and crew do what they can in their remaining seven against the Yanks… maybe we sneak the AL East (really longshot), pretty solid shot to snag the WC, assuming we can avoid playing near .500 ball vs sub .500 teams :P
If we split with the Rays and win all our remaining series (no sweeps), we finish at 96-66. That’s a realistic goal, and honestly, there should be a couple sweeps in our favor… look over the schedules for the other two, and I see a much better chance for the Rays pounding out 35 to 40 wins, while I see the Yanks maybe being held to 30, particularly if WE can go 7-3 against them over the series about to start and the 6 games stacked right at the end.
By the time it all shakes out, we should move into October with 8 of our ‘preferred’ 9 hitters/fielders nursed back to health and being productive. Have some faith, yo :) We are far more likely to melt down IN the post-season (usually while leading in a game 6) than on the way to it… it is Boston, after all
Luckily this is how it works out too. We only have 6 games against the Rays left but 10 against the Yanks and they play each other 7 times. Our best shot is if the Yanks start losing, which means, luckily, that we’re better off cheering on the Rays to win the division.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Spoken like a true optimist....which I obviously am not
One of the above posts said that the season has been over since April. He actually had a point there in my opinion. We dug ourselves a really deep hole after April. If we had been competetive at the start that would have helped us compensate for the injuries we now have (not having Youk is going to kill us plain and simple). There are still lingering questions about our pitching (both starting and the bull pen). You don’t know which Lackey or Dice K is going to show up and we’ve all seen Lester since the All Star break. This team is still not a recipe for success and this is the team that we are going to finish out the season with. And remember, we still have 29 road games between now and the end of the regular season. I’d love to see it, but I really don’t think that the post season is in the cards for this year.

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