To catch a catcher
Because right now, the state of the 2010 team is a little too depressing to think about, lets talk a bit more in depth about 2011, the season when the Red Sox are bound to remain entirely healthy throughout the year.
Catcher has got to be the hardest position on a team to effectively fill. They, by definition, take the most physical abuse of any player on the field. Despite the gear they're wearing, contantly having balls fouled off you, getting smacked in the head by player's backswings, and trying to block the plate from runners sliding in cleats-first takes a special kind of person. When this is combined with the ridiculous amount of wear that comes from just having to crouch most of the time they're playing the game, catching is a rough position.
Partly because of this, it's nearly impossible to find a catcher who's actually good at what he does (calling, blocking, throwing, oh, and catching) and is more than an offensive black hole.
The Red Sox have been blessed currently with one of the best offensive catchers in the game- a hitter who, despite the abuse he takes at the plate, is a genuine middle-of-the-order switch hitter with a game-changing bat. After this year, however, he can hit free agency and it's time for the Red Sox to be thinking about what they will do to fill the position, either by trade, free agency, of promoting one of their multitude of catchers in the minors. So lets look at just a few of the options. And please, feel free to add any other options that occur to you down below.
First of all, and most obvious is re-sign Victor Martinez. He has said that he wants to stay with the Red Sox (and by all accounts just seems to be the type of guy that wants to continue on with what he's been doing and not have any giant life changes like going to a new city). The Red Sox would certainly love to keep him around. So then, the question lies with the contract he would require- he is, hands down, the best catcher on the market this year, and is probably looking for a multi-year contract for significant money. This would be fine, if the Red Sox feel that he will actually be an effective catcher throughout the life of the contract, but if not, he shouldn't be paid like he is- while is bat is outstanding for a catcher, it is less impressive for a designated hitter. Reasonably, he hasn't been a catcher incredibly long and I personally haven't seen signs of him wearing down (although I don't have all the inside information, so I can't make that decision). It would be interesting to see if he would be amenable to a contract for a certain amount over a couple of years and then perhaps a varying salary for the next couple of years depending on amount of games caught (say for 2013, a low base pay with big escalators for games caught). Of course, then the other thing to take into consideration is draft pick compensation- as a type A free agent, if the Red Sox let him walk, they can gain two draft picks and probably bring is someone for significantly less money.
I'll just briefly mention the minors. The Red Sox have a plethora of catching prospects in the minors- Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Mark Wagner, Luis Exposito, Tim Federowicz, Ryan Lavarnaway, and recent international signing Adalberto Ibarra. None of them, however, are ready for the majors. Salty has struggled in his showings in the majors, and is a project in the minors for now, Wagner had his progress hampered by an injury for much of the year, Ibarra has yet to even be assigned to a team, so none of us know if he can even catch. One or two of these guys may contribute in the future, although none of them are can't-miss prospects. Saltalamacchia is the most likely to contribute next year, but the Sox would probably like to see quite a bit more of him before committing to him as the primary catcher for 2011.
As far as free agency, outside of Martinez, the class is weak. I see the most promising on the list as John Buck of the Blue Jays. He is a good defensive catcher- throwing out 37% of base-stealers this year, and provides some offensive ability. He will barely ever get on base, and has walked only 3.3% of the time this year, but has quite a bit of power, providing a strong wOBA this year of .346 at the weak position with 14 home runs. It is worth noting, also, that his increase in power and inability to take a walk line up perfectly with the Blue Jays team he is on- with a change in coaching, he may be able to flash a little more plate discipline, but he will never be a big on-base, low strikeout guy. He is probably on course for an upgrade over his 2010 salary of $2 million, but could still be had for significantly less money and years than Victor Martinez. Apart from him, there are really no free agents worth mentioning- all either have never been good or are way past their prime.
There might a a couple of trade possibilities. The Pirates currently have both Ryan Doumit and Chris Snyder, both of whom are offensively unexceptional but not Cashian in their offensive abilities. Doumit has made Red Sox catchers look like the best throwers in the business, but Snyder has had back issues. Both are signed for similar amounts of money through 2011 with club options after that. They're also both 29. It's actually a little eerie to me how much of a wash it is between these two catchers. Snyder, while not a great option, would at least cost pretty much nothing in prospects to acquire with the Pirates plethora of catchers too expensive for their team. It might make a kind of sense to get one of them cheap if the Sox think that Saltalamacchia or one of the other guys in the minors would be able to step it up partway through the year. Neither strikes me as a better idea than Buck or Martinez.
Another name that makes a lot of sense and has been bandied around is Chris Iannetta, who is both probably available in trade and is a native son, from Rhode Island. He's a streaky hitter who won't hit for high average, but knows how to walk very well with a very good eye, and a good amount of power when he actually hits the ball. Probably the best offensive option outside of Martinez. He seems generally considered solid defensively, and seems able to throw out a good number of base-stealers when he is playing regularly. Best of all, he is signed cheaply through 2012, with a club option for 2013. Because he's a good option, he could well cost quite a bit in prospects.
Personally, I still see Martinez as by far the best option- he has a game changing bat and has looked just fine defensively of late. Obviously, if something can't be worked out with him they'll have to look elsewhere. After him, I see Iannetta as by far the best option- although he has a prospect cost, he looks to provide a lot of value for his price, and I feel that the prospect cost would be offset to a degree by the draft picks they'd receive from Martinez. Buck is option 3 for me. The others I think are last resorts who I hope to not see with the Sox.
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VMart hands down
Is the best option for the immediate future. I like the escalation idea, but make it fair, if he doesn’t catch, give him batting incentives for that year instead since his bat still has a lot of value he could DH for us, maybe picking up after Ortiz leaves (assuming we keep him for a couple more years).
He wants to be here, he plays well here, there isn’t anyone obtainable that I’d rather have than him.
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well he could have batting incentives
my idea was more of, not a really low base, but a base of a decent DH that could work it’s way up to the salary of a very good catcher through escalators. I didn’t mean a really low base like a couple million.
Ah gotcha
I think that would be a breakthrough sort of contract. I’m not sure I’ve heard of one that depends on what position the player ends up at down the road.
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Yeah I've never heard of anything quite like it either
But it seems like it would the solution with the best probably outcome.
Really?
Alex Rodriguez had a $6mil incentive to hit HR #600 and has 5 more $6mil incentives for passing certain players and eventually breaking the HR record.
Can’t we fashion something like that?
Say he hits his 200th HR, give him an incentive for that instead of an incentive for 25 HRs in a season.
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Maybe it is just milestones. Will wait for those contract experts to step in with the correction. I’m sure there are enough loopholes like the Arod contract to figure something out that would give VMart appropriate compensation whether he catches or not.
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The situation seems really simple to me. Next year’s catcher will either be Vic, Iannetta, or maybe, MAYBE Buck. I can’t see us putting anybody else put there.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You want to talk about blessed. How about the TWELVE years of Tek
Going to be hard to find another guy who can hold down 2 for 5 years, let alone 10+
With the Salty trade, I doubt they go after Iannetta – unless the move Salty as part of the package to get him.
Victor I like as a batter, but when you move his bat out of 2, then it marginalizes by comparison. I would think if it’s a 4 yr deal, perhaps the next 2 he starts at catcher, with Salty backing him up, eventually with Salty, Wagner, or TBD stepping in full time and Victor going to DH.
I’m interesting in what it would cost to get Buck, who would certainly be cheaper and provide better D. Though if they go this way the need to replace Victor’s bat in LF.
FYI-
Buck to the 15 day:
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VMart by a landslide. With a side order of the Salty. Tek to skipper in Greenville or Gulf Coast Rookie League with his brother coming on board as a coach.
yeah Buck's on the 15 day
but it’s a ball fouled off his thumb. Shouldn’t be an issue for next year.
You definitely talk to Vic first
the Vic-Beltre-Ortiz trio aught to be interesting during the off-season
Ibarra could take over as the full-time catcher sometime next year.
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We really have no idea though
He hasn’t played a single inning of baseball here yet.
We really knew nothing about him coming from Cuba, they say he has a good bat, but don’t know anything about his catching ability. He’s going to need time learning the language and learning how to call a game most likely.
I wouldn’t count on him until 2012 at least.
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yeah exactly
and we know “good bat” but we don’t even know what level of “good bat”. He’s a great unknown- obviously one they think can help us in the somewhat near future, based on the major league contract they gave him, but still an unknown.
Is it a possibility Tek comes back for one more part-time year?
- not to be the primary guy, but to be a backup as kind of repeat of 2010 (without the broken foot).
Otherwise, it looks hands down to be V-Mart and Salty.
I think it would make sense
but I also think being able to bring Salty up would make more sense for the long term. I’d be surprised if he called it quits, but I see him being a backup for another team.
backup for another team
That’s a sad, sad thought. I sort of wish he would just retire and make the whole damn thing easy. Like someone said, coach our GCL team or something.
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Hey but if the guy likes to play
he still looks like he can. Who knows, his bat was seeming to wear down anyways. Maybe he’d sign on for a cheap one year thing with the Sox with an understanding that Salty would probably replace him at some point in the year. Doesn’t seem likely though.
Doumit makes no sense for the Sox
He’s always on the DL, seemingly being put there 3+ times per season.
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I figure VMart's negotiations shouldn't be TERRIBLY difficult.
He wants to play here, doesn’t like moving around in general, and is an option for multiple positions (C, 1B, DH). If you sign him for more years/less money, he seems like a guy who would go for it.
Catch until he can’t, at which point he goes 1B/DH/back-up C.
I say this deal gets done.
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Me too and I'd love to see it happen.
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Doumit.......
and Salty are essentially the same player right now. Except that Doumit is four years older,and there have been occasional attitude questions. Actually,Doumit’s probably worse defensively than Salty…
The Red Sox are the big boys……..Re-sign V-Mart and be done with it.
the sox need a catcher not a hitter
The common denominator for the entire pitching staff’s era to go up by more than a point, is Martinez. When Elston Howard joined the red sox in 1967, he hit 180 but the era of the staff went DOWN by a point. A really weak team went to the world series and almost WON. Calling game for any team is more important than some 300 hitting bum who buries the pitching staff. I am astonished that I hear nothing of this.
it's because there is no truth behind it
and any decent pitcher, coach, or catcher will tell you that the pitcher is the one calling the game. The catcher just works with the pitcher to figure out what he will want. How do you explain the phenomenal performances this year of Buchholz, Lester, and Daisuke if Martinez is incapable of catching? In addition, Beckett has been great so far since coming back off the DL and Lackey has simply had problems locating certain pitches, not pitch selection issues. Back your statement up with some actual numbers or some justification of how the catcher can actually have that effect and I might give it a little credence.
V-Mart AND Varitek
I would be happy to bring back both catchers, including Varitek for another year. Signing V-Mart, even above Beltre, must be the Sox #1 priority in the offseason. There is something to be said for stability, especially with catching on a veteran team.
Nobody is going to like the cost of Ianetta, since he is a ML-ready prospect, the Rockies are going to want a top prospect (yes, Kelly, et. al.) in return, and they are justified in that.
I highly doubt they would and could ask for Kelly.
I’ve read different things from different sources that makes it sound like they are going to use Olivo over Iannetta. If this is true, then they have no leverage because Iannetta is either of no use or a backup. Gammons said that the Rockies turned down an Iannetta for Lowrie deal. He made it sound like the only reason they turned it down was because of injuries and depth problems at 1B this year. This is just what I gathered.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 6, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Olivo/Ianetta a good tandem
The Rockies would be idiots to trade Iannetta for anything less than another good young ML player (Lowrie doesn’t get it done) or top prospect. I don’t see why the Rockies have no leverage; Iannetta and Olivo will make $5mil. between them next season, certainly not a scary figure for any ML team not named the Marlins or Pirates.
Hey, if Theo can get this done for Lowrie, I’m all for it.
Yeah Iannetta has very good looking numbers and is signed really cheap
Kelly would probably be where talks would begin.
I like Iannetta, but he's nothing spectacular.
If we’re gonna trade a top 50 prospect, then I want to add to the package and get someone better. The problem is that there aren’t may people that would be available. Anyway, they can start talks with Kelly, but they won’t go anywhere. I’m pretty sure they want to stick with Olivo until Jordan Pacheco is ready. Hell, If we’re gonna trade Kelly, then maybe I would rather have Pacheco, but he can’t help us next year.
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I dunno, there's not a lot of catchers out there who are better offensively than Iannetta
which is why someone like VMart is so ridiculously useful
I don’t know.
With Mauer in place presumably the Twins had even less leverage when they traded Ramos, a highly regarded catcher prospect. They still managed to haul the best reliever at the trade deadline.
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I think the twins made an awful decision
I think the lack of leverage is an oversight on their part. Sure, everyone knew they’d trade him, but almost every team would’ve wanted that prospect, so a decent amount of leverage comes from that.
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 6, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
I'd be for re-signing Cash
So long as he legally changed his name to “Buhlow Mendozaline”.
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lol
I hope you relize I was being sarcastic
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