Theos big mistake
by fishfarmr on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
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The Red Sox are Famous for not wanting to give that extra year or extra few millions in contracts. Except for those who they should'nt. Of course the Pedro non-signing proved to be a good call, but now the biggest blown call just spurned us. Johnny Damon wanted an extra year and the Red Sox got cheap on him. So since then we have had Crisp, Ellsbury and Cameron.......... Should have paid the extra year. Not to mention, you would have kept him off of th Yankees! We lost Texieria to a few million of cheapness and that gave a WS title to the Yanks. But here we are 5.5 games out and now claiming players to keep them from the Rays or Yanks!?!? Why not sign Damon in '05 and Tex last year to keep these guys from going to them? Seems a little Backwards and Theo should get a lot of the blame. Praise him on a lot of things but he has dropped the ball too.
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Oh Lord The Tex Crap Again
HE WAS NEVER COMING HERE! No matter what we offered the Yanks were going to outbid us, which was fine with Tex because his woman didn’t want to come here anyway!
We got cheap on Damon because we knew what was going to happen to him. He can’t play in the field anymore and Ortiz was still going to be our DH at the end of the 4 year deal. Didn’t make sense to sign him to a 4 year deal when the last year it would be too risky to put him in the field and we couldn’t put him in as DH since the spot was locked down. GREAT move by Theo.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mention Tex, receive the FAIL
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
by Bloggy on Aug 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
Really…. If we gave Tex the money he was here. Also, now we want Damon??? at the end when he really can’t play outfield. He would have been better than what we have put out there the last 5 years period.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
We gave Tex a ton of money
And Boras went to NY and said “give us more”
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No one wanted Damon, in fact I’m still piecing together why we even bothered with the claim, we don’t need him, he doesn’t offer an upgrade anywhere except maybe 1B if he agreed to play there and we’re not really in the running so blocking him was pointless.
We’ve put together a pretty solid OF without him, JD Drew is very good out there, between Coco, Ellsbury, Manny, Bay we’ve done pretty well without a player in decline.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
On Monday morning when we are 3 and a half out
and the Rays and Yanks are playing while we are in Baltimore are we going to be in it?
by RyanBeingManny on Aug 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s nice to say we’ll be three back by Monday, but nothing I’ve seen lately indicated that will be the case. When Youk went down we were 5 games back with 56 games left. Now we’re 5.5 games back with 35 games left. Forgive me for being skeptical as nearly 40% of our time since the injury has gone by and we’ve actually gone backwards in the standings. Our winning percentage has to be nearly .200 points higher than the Rays or Yanks over the next 35 games if we’re going to make it. If they play .600 ball like they have all season, we have to play .800 ball to get in and we haven’t done it. So quit your snarky comments and let me live my reality. It’s not that I’m not cheering them on, it’s that I’ve accepted that it’s not in the cards this year and will be far less crushed come October when you’re crying over it saying “we were in it until game 157!” I hope I’m proved wrong.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I don't think I was particularly snarky
Though your comments were certainly pricky. I admit it is freaking IMPOSSIBLE to pick up games on these guys. And whats with the whole I’ll be crying crap? There is a difference between blindly optimistic, cautiously optimistic, blindly pesimistic, and realistic. I realize that, the way things are going it’s more than likely not going to happen, I just hold out hope. While our schedule is tough, there are games to be picked up. There is nothing worse than a fan that jumps to conclusions about other fans. What on earth would make you think I was some fan boy, or that you understand the game more than I?
by RyanBeingManny on Aug 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that I understand more, it’s that you came out and said we’ll be three games back by Monday in order to directly question my belief that we’re out of it whereas evidence overwhelmingly suggests that being three games back by monday will take some sort of miracle. I don’t bank on miracles happening, especially this year and especially as Dice-K goes down with some sort of injury.
Sorry if I came off grumpy, well I am, long day at work followed by a commute on an incompetent public transportation system.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I feel ya
My day was garbage today too and I’m feeling grumpy myself. Sorry for the snap. Lets just hope for a miracle and some help.
by RyanBeingManny on Aug 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know that we could have given Tex more money?
let alone the fact that he might not have like Boston anyway.
Red Sox: Here’s some money
Yankees: We have more
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 25, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, our failure to pay Damon was Theo's big mistake.
Wait, what’s that? He was barely worth his contract to the Yankees, if at all, and wouldn’t have had a place on this team because he hasn’t been able to play center field for years?
Well, let’s not let that get in the way of a good complaining.
USG
Then why did we want him now?
Barely worth it to the yanks? Again he put up far superior #‘s than cocoa/ells/cam/darnell since he left. We gambled on Ells and it did’nt work out—-thats all.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
We wanted him now because we have flagging TV ratings at the end of the season.
It was advertising.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Get Canseco if thats the case
We did it to block and figured hes a better lead-off than Scut.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
...Yeah, 'cause Damon is hitting from shortstop.
You’ve completely ignored the lack of a position for Damon to play over the last 5 years. And no, he can’t play center.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
no worse than ells
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
Actually yeah, worse than Ells.
He has no arm. He was DHing for the Yankees because he couldn’t play the field, this year he’s started only 31 games in the OF so uh yeah, Ellsbury is better.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
It was a block move, nothing more
If they had to take him on they would have and could have spun a nice PR story out of it.
But the primary intent was to make sure the Rays and Yanks couldn’t grab him if they wanted him.
And especially knowing Damon’s no trade clause and distaste for Boston, it was an easy move to make.
Ells bat .300 and had 70 stolen bases last year.
And played center and hit leadoff. I wouldn’t say he was FAR superior.
by RyanBeingManny on Aug 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ells played average defense, IMO.
He definitely didn’t hit better than Damon. Power > than speed in terms of total bases gained from hits even if you add in the 70 SB. Then there’s the question of Damon’s defense…
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 25, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, the base numbers were without the SBs.
My bad
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You do raise a point re: power though
Although while Ells defense may have been average, at least we didn’t have to see Damon throw the ball with that noodle arm! (Hey-O)
by RyanBeingManny on Aug 25, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Theo is also responsible for global warming
And war in the Middle East. And the economic collapse. And the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
But most of all, Theo Epstein is the reason why hot dogs come in packages of eight but hot dog buns come in packages of 10. Won’t somebody please think of the children?!?
Heh, Bulletproof Monk refrence
Didn’t see that one coming.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
When dealing with ridiculous questions...
…ridiculous answers are obligatory.
Hot Dogs shouldn't be commercially sold at all..
They are a pretty evil food…
It is Theo’s fault that they are even sold at all..
The 2008 Global Credit Meltdown was Theo’s fault, too. If he only kept his money at Lehman Brothers.
I thought that was all Bush's fault....
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
If that keeps up, I'm totally fine with it.
I like New York having a shit first baseman.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Aug 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And overpaying for it *coughcoughGiambicough*
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
Did we overpay for Tex? Sure. But comparing his deal to Giambi’s is offensive (I know you were tongue in cheek).
There is no clause in Tex’s contract saying that we can’t withhold money if steroid allegations come up (cuz, you know, that’s not a red flag at all) and Tex can throw the ball to second base without it ending up in left field.
And if we throw out UZR (because of it’s 1B shortcomings) and just go by my eyes (having watched most every game that Tex has played for the Yankees, and quite a few with Giambi there) Tex is one of the slickest fielding first basemen in the game. Giambi was appalling. So, +fielding -obvious roids = far superior deal.
Any time you get a top free agent, you’re basically accepting the fact that at the tail end of the deal, he’s going to be overpaid (look at friggin A-Rod), but the idea is that you can win in the first few years of the deal. And Tex was already a big part of one championship run and (ducks) hopefully a few more, so that makes me say it was worth it.
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Tex >>> Whiskey Sour
I agree with Tex’s defense. I think he’s really good over there, actually.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
HOW?
average maybe, gold glove – HRs – obp – clutch You would love to have him. Also Beltre is a year rental.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
He said this year
Maybe because all 3 were OPSing higher than him. Consistent clutch doesn’t exist, exhibit A Alex Rodriguez, consistent luck however does. Beltre should be re-signed. We don’t have a stand out 3B prospect that close to the majors, sign Beltre for 3/$45 covers us pretty well. This year I’d rather have any of the guys that Ben mentioned over Tex, especially given Tex’s contract.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Do you mean to tell me that A-Rod wasn’t swinging a bolt of lightning last year in the playoffs, it was just regression to the mean???
Yeah, you’re definitely right.
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He had to perform in the playoffs sooner or later.
* grumble grumble *
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Don’t tell anyone, but A-Rod carried the Yankees over the Twins in 2004 ALDS, the Angels refused to pitch to him in 2005 ALDS (6 BB in 5 game, .435 OBP), had two 2-hit games (out of 4) in 2007 (after being shut down by two guys named Sabathia and Carmona) and raked in 2009.
So, A-Rod being labeled as a playoff choker is a result of a low batting average against the Angels in 2005 because he saw absolutely nothing to hit, and a 1-14 series in 4 games against Detroit in 2006.
Conclusive proof that he’ll never be a true Yankee like Derek Jeter, not a stupidly small sample size at all! But this is all top secret, A-Rod sucks.
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Post something worthy of talking about then.......
Just my opinion, which always gets a lot of discussion. Gives us something to do while watching the dreck of Red Sox baseball.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
Theo has made mistakes...
But the things you are griping about aren’t mistakes.. The race for Teixiera appeared to be stopped by Henry, which understandable given the money involved. There is no point playing Boras Three card monte show with his top FA.
i think sometimes Theo will trade players too freely, or have a pecking order for certain pitchers… I think in hindsight the Arroyo for Wily Mo Peña trade wasn’t well thought out, or much riskier than it appeared at the time.
Gagne trade wasn’t that great, but the numbers at the time show it was the right move.
The Sox/Pirates/Dodgers trade for Bay was pretty good in a pretty bad situation.
I don’t think spending huge amounts of money for the top FA in the post season market is always the right answer. By far one of the best trades that the Sox didn’t do was trying to get Johan Santana in the 2007/2008 offseason, and sending Lester to the Twins..
I still think Theo is still ahead. He has done a good job. There are couple trades and FA signings that make me scratch my head, especially the Lackey signing, but getting Ortiz on waivers helped the Sox win the 2004 World Series. Ditto with trading Nomah..
The Sox save a huge amount of headaches by not signing Nomah to 4/65 or so million contract..
Theo also has to thank Carl Pavano’s mom for saving his job. That would had been a disaster for the Sox, and a huge gaping wound in the starting rotation for a couple years…
Good points
I agree, I was just looking back and the Sox did not want to give Damon the extra year and mainly because of a prospect named Ellsbury.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
And also because they knew he's be a bench player at this point making too much money.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Well, let's think about this for a second
That prospect hit .300 last year, led the league with 70-something steals, looked like he’d finally learned to take a walk, and seemed poised to improve on the progress he made last year before Beltre caved in his ribcage and cost him the whole season.
You can blame Theo for that fluke accident if you like, but that’s just insane. And if not for the fluke accident, Ellsbury would likely be far more valuable than Damon right now.
the guy that made this little posting knows nothing of sports.
ignore her.
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Funny!
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
That was hardly your best.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Aug 26, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish SBN had some form of the opposite of "rec"
so I could do that to fishfarmr’s handy work up above.
Nobody should read this rubbish.
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by gizmosandy on Aug 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well, there is the flag button...
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 25, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
there should be a "never read this, its not good at all" button
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If enough people click it, the post goes away
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 25, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But then we would never get to hear from you.....:)
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
Damon was Theo's biggest error?
What about Lugo, Renteria, the Lowell contract, Lackey, the Beckett extension, Gagne, Scutaro and about another dozen utter failures he’s managed?
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
You consider Scutaro an "utter failure"?
That’s ridiculous.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
by Bloggy on Aug 26, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not even going to bother...
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
Sean O just hates everybody.
If he hated Ted Williams, he’d suck too.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
Bill Hall's defense on the 20-80 scale: 15.
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Aug 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted Williams was good
Beckett, Lowell and Scutaro suck.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
Damon was a big mistake
Especially if you factor 05 – 07
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
You mean '07 when we won the World Series?
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
Pfft, yeah, but it took you guys 7 friggin games to win the ALCS. You were one game away from losing to the Indains! What a disgrace!
If you guys had a real GM that knew how to overpay for aging players who couldn’t play defense and financially handicap yourselves, you wouldn’t have lost a single game!
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how was letting an OK player who couldn't defend the position we needed go a mistake?
and you can’t just factor in those years anyways, because we still would’ve had to pay him in 08 and 09.
To keep him away from the Yankees we might have needed to offer 2010 too.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I admit Lugo and Renteria were bad contracts....
I think the Sox management want Derek Jeter in SS position and they seemed to want a high OBP and good defensive SS. They haven’t gotten in with Rent-a-wreck and Lugo. Lugo just failed miserably in the two roles he was paid for, leadoff hitter and shortstop.. The shortstop they should had kept was Alex Gonzalez, even though Sox fans would complain he was a rally killer at the plate.
I don’t think the Lowell Contract was bad, or at least they got him for three years instead of four.
The Beckett extension is leaning toward a bad decision because of Beckett’s back. I feel the real bonehead for signing Gagne were the Brewers after the 2007 season. Gagne was a rent a player. I don’t see Scutaro as more of a “Meh” signing
He'd be playing better with a couple off days.
He’s playing hurt right now.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Aug 26, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
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