Game 117: Overflow Thread
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:11 PM EDT
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Thread is really lively tonight!
The medical talk and addiction debate didn’t help the overflow cause.
Peter Abraham
PeteAbe
The official #RedSox statement on Ellsbury’s injury: Left side pain. We’ll know more in 2 months once he writes a statement up
Scathing
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What do :
Allen Chace
Sox Devil
wolf9309
BerkshireFan AKA バークシャーファン
and
Logan Lietz
have in common?
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they all contribute less than me to this site
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I take that back wolf9309 does contribute some stories
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I don't remember ever seeing a Sandy fan post
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I'd love to see one personally
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Not as ugly as he is dopey
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there is zero chance Ells is playing in Boston next year
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Fucking Christ I hope you're right
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When have I ever been on the Ellsbury bandwagon?
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He's mediocre at best
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Kalish
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It'll buff out
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This is where it gets really scary
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WTF
Those are some weird uniforms in Tampa/Baltimore.
Yes, I know I’m late to the party on this one.
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Paterson is the poor mans Willie Harris
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Patterson is the poor man's poor man
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And he's blind
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AND a communist
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they all are
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anyone see this going the way of Papelblown again?
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Hey, man, it's cool.
He said he feels good today.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he blows another save and hits the dl
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Wally won't slum it like that
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I hope he's lights out the rest of the year
Not for the wins, just so we can get a haul for him
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As much as he's our 2nd best reliever
he’s better than most. Someone will give up the moon for him
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Thats what I was thinking
SD maybe
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Good point
Where then?
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Philly?
For who
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Jeebus
But I’m saying whop would want paps and what +9*-could we really get for him
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maybe that running sausage from pitt or milwaukee or whoever
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Yanks down 1
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Can we get Tori Hunter?
I know you stat losers will tell me he is not good, but I’ve always liked him.
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"Us stats losers" think Torii Hunter is just fine.
But no, because the Angels kinda view him as a franchise type player, I think. And he’s not that.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Though I have a sinking feeling the Sox will be in on him at this pace.
He’s a good player, but not good enough.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are right.
I think we will get CC or Werth.
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I'm so curious that I had to come back.
If Ells goes on the DL, who replaces him? Nava with Kalish in CF? Reddick?
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Tito hate him, he would rather play Hall in the OF.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he said he was feeling a lot better.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All I gotta say is that he better be able to play every day.
not a 100% Cam/ Patterson is not better than Dmac or Kalish in CF.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Cameron, sad to see him have a bad year
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I wish he would skp the DL and go straight to the NL
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“If Ellsbury is DL’ed — and we have no idea how severe injury is yet — Josh Reddick has hit .369/.384/.655 since All-Star break”
I love Lester and Pedroia!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
NO NO NO
Not what he needs right now.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
drew is catching on thank gog!
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 13, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
So lets just play the rest of our games here and at the Rogers Centre.
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Ellsbury will play the role of Gathright if we make the post season
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dave roberts would be better pa
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would never insult Dave Roberts like that
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those guys had heart
Ells has nothing of the sort
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it hurts for me to say this pa but i feel you are right
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
How does this OF look if Ells is DL'd.
Reddick-Kalish-Drew
Or does Reddick play CF too?
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They both do.
Reddick would get the nod I expect.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm amazed how similar Kalish's stance is to Shin Soo Choo
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Kalish gets hits
but he never really hits the ball hard
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That's not at all true.
HR, took one deep to right tonight…
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
First one Hamilton robbed.
Hot shot to right that would have been an easy double.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
About the Drew HR
“That’s the first HR allowed by Darren Oliver to a LHB since last Aug. 5.”
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I love Lester and Pedroia!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
Neither of those I follow or really like.
I will watch a random football game and the Super Bowl.
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so is George Sherrill available?
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Don't worry.
He’s just ordering hookers and blow. Maybe a gorilla suit. You don’t think Theo would actually make a move, do you?
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
On second thought...
Are we sure he doesn’t have Gagne’s number?
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
With the way the offenses have been tonight, it feels like more than single digit numbers.
This has more the feel of a 14+ game for each side.
If Paps comes into this game I will not watch the Lester game as punishment.
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That's twice that Kalish has delivered a great strong throw and the out hasn't been made at the base.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You kidding me?
Bounced once, right inside of Hamilton’s leg, and beat him there by a mile.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe if our "catcher" could catch it
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't
Bounced in front of Hamilton, inside the white line. A bit of a screwy hop, but very catchable.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If Vic is gonna hit like this, then I want somebody else as the catcher.
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pa i have to say you can be worse then drew ! it is not over yet !
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 13, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been saying since the 4th inning we will lose this game
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i know
maybe i have to much faith but i will never give up on this team ,i have loved them for a long time and NEVER have i seen us in as good shape as the last 5 or 6 years
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 13, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Francona stuck with Beckett too long like in game 2 of the 2008 ALCS
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Surprise surprise
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drew fucked up
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have great numbers against lefties like he doses righties
As I type that he K’s him, good deal
Yes.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Soriano?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a FA in the winter
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays get him and Benoit
instant upgrade and instant success
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
game over
Someone will hit a 600ft. HR off Crapelbon tonight
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Because this team can't make a six run lead stand up.
Jeebus.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He ran IN on it is what's worse.
Just goes to show ya. Errors.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I said he looked like a kid, it's not like he had to go back to make the play.
He had a good angle on it, he simply ran past the ball.
That being said the 2 HRs are nice
Oh SoxProspects...
(In Draft Signing thread)
I think to show our support of major league baseball’s draft signing policy no one should make any more posts on this thread until 11:00 on Monday evening — and then we should all collaborate to submit 1,000 posts in the last hour.
I have an agreed response to this, but will withhold it for 72 hours.
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are they going to sign Renaoundo or whatever his name is
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Boras always waits until the last second to get this kind of thing done.
But the popular thinking is yes. Kevin Goldstien even thinks the deal is already done, just not announced.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Because however much we're willing to take a gamble on his elbow
It’s still not a sure thing.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing ever makes a talent like Kelly expendable.
I’m OK with trading him, but it has to be the right deal. We can’t just trade him at all costs because we have another good pitcher.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's the definition of expendable in this case.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Or rather, that IS the definition.
Willingness to trade.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever, you can never have enough pitching.
Remember when we thought we were set with that 6 man rotation?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Two years and a day.
Wow.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Bard TOTALLY wants to pitch to Cruz man.
EVERYONE wants to pitch to Cruz.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Papelbon warning
FIFY
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Goddammit BEN
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That pic was f'n funny..AND quite appropriate I might add
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Fine. But it was still friggin funny
And it least it wasnt porn…like hamilton licking shit off some girls tit
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It happens
Haha, no harm done, no hard feelings
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pathetic
but it was coming all night
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Hey Victor:
What game are you watching?
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Though he made the play on Scoot's side of the bag...
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Francona left Beckett in the game way too long
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they are going to wear this guys arm out this season
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blame Theo and his cheap ass
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheap?
This team has a $170 million payroll…
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
and he spends on a starter instead of bullpen help
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
For the billionth time
WHAT GOOD WOULD WE HAVE GOTTEN?
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
More than from the Type-A status of the only guys worth dealing?
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So we lose this one and Bard is done for the next one
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So, to recap
Beckett has an ERA north of 6.5 and was just extended, Scutaro has an 85 OPS+, Lowell has been a corpse for most of this year making $12m, and Lackey is above 4.5 ERA with 4 more years on the deal. Other than the obvious decision to sign Beltre, is anyone defending Theo anymore?
Not even counting the injuries, he F’d up in every other way this offseason.
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beckett will be an albatross for several years
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I think he'll be just fine next year and probably the one after that
the next few…not so sure
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no
next year is a bridge year as well
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I don't even know what that means.
This team has a huge payroll and injuries
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
next year is a bridge season as well
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What does that mean?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
Tons of money coming off and a whole year to fix the SHITSTORM that is the bullpen
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Still stuck with countless useless pieces eating up payroll
And no solutions for many positions.
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Obvious overreaction
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Well, who's going to play
3B, LF, C, DH? And with Scutaro and Cameron stuck on the roster, who’s going to provide anything of value?
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No chance in hell
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5th, then?
I don’t think the Orioles will quite rival us next year, but I guess they could.
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You're retarded
You hang out with DrewPalmer?
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That comment was not at all based on that bit of garbage alone.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a miserable team
Unwatchable. And the more the theo apologists kiss his ass, the farther we sink down the ladder.
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This team is on pace for 90+ wins
And your hatred for Theo isn’t founded in logic. You see a big free agent performing badly, and you ignore the thought process in favor of an irrational response.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No,
I’m seeing 2 massive SP contracts for old, declining pitchers who were never brilliant, a useless SS and a ridiculously huge payroll.
90 wins is meaningless in the AL East, completely meaningless.
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Beckett and Lackey have good track records, but
that doesn’t totally justify the contracts.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lackey was declining
Even before this terrible year. And while I fully expect him to at least be below 4.0 next season, the writing was on the wall. And that’s why it wasn’t sunshine and rainbows when it was announced around here.
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Resign beltre and martinez to start
Papi will sign for less and we trade ells and have kalish start. cameron will be back for one more year and most likely be healthy
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So we get even older and more expensive?
Haven’t we learned anything? Martinez is not a major league catcher.
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He's good enough?
How much has his bat contributed versus how much stolen bases have hurt us? And aside from Beltre they probably wont be long contracts. Its good enough til the farm grows up or another option becomes available
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Seriously?
You think Martinez will sign for anything under 3 years? I’d say 4 is the minimum, and I don’t trust his bat as a 1B, nor do I particularly want Youk as a full-time 3b.
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If anything his bat would only be better as 1b
Not nearly the wear and tear of a catcher however I do agree that I would rather have Youk at first
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It will be better
But it probably won’t be good enough. We’ve grown accustomed to a .900-.950 OPS from 1B, and I don’t trust Martinez, at the age of 34, being an acceptable 1B/DH, especially if we’re paying him catcher-who-can-hit money.
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are you kidding me?
this team is eyeing 2012, its obvious
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does not mean we will spend it
and no real FA options that can help us out there
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He already has been .
(Emphasis on has-been.)
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I am.
Scutaro is hurt and forced to play the whole season so far thanks to Lowrie’s mono and a wealth of other injuries keeping the roster in flux and without a designated backup SS.
Beckett was a below-market value deal. If he has been shitty this season, that doesn’t change the fact that a player of the quality we could expect from him is worth that much after the A.J. Burnett deal.
Lackey a bit more of an overspend, but again, results far worse than the natural decline you could expect.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Beckett is a below market pitcher
So where’s the bargain exactly?
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Beckett is performing like one.
He wasn’t coming into the season by any stretch of the imagination.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean apart from the frequent injuries?
He has been overrated since he came into the league. He’s getting ace money (not Yankees ace money) and pitches ok to well. He’s had one very good year with us.
And he’s only been our ace for the months he wasn’t injured in 2007.
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There you go wit that media induced ace shit
WTF IS AN ACE?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The best pitcher on the team
2006 was, well, anyone but meathead, 2008 was Lester, 2009 was ’zaka then Lester, 2010 is Buckles.
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Who said he was supposed to be?
He has had a good career with only one bad year, but does that mean he should be compared to Halladay, Sabathia, Johnson? The media says he’s an ace, but he’s not as good as those guys and never will be.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that signing the new deal was stupid.
Couldn’t we have gotten him in the offseason cheaper?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if he performed poorly.
He happened to, so we ended up on the wrong side of things.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This was a risk, and I would have taken the side of waiting.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Lackey signing gave us leverage
but we did not look at it that way.
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+1
It did, signing a guy so similar meant we had taken control away. And then Theo did nothing with it.
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The only way we would've had to pay the same or more
is if he performed like he did in ‘07, which he never will again. We paid him like he’d perform as he has (sorta well, not awesome), and now he can’t do that anymore.
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obviously, yes
But I can’t imagine if he put up the same 4.0~ ERA line he had been, that we’d magically be paying him like Sabathia.
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No, we would have if he'd performed like '08.
The game has changed when it comes to pitching contracts. That ship has sailed.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Then we give the money to Lee
We’re already blowing massive amounts of cash, may as well give it to the guy who has been utterly dominant at times, rather than pretty good or injured, and always inconsistent.
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That does not mean what you think.
You’re always paying for past performance in that sense.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Ok with the Beckett contract if we didn't get Lackey
Even if Lackey performed like last year, he still isn’t great. That’s a lot of money and year, and we did almost the same thing for Beckett. Taking one chance if fine, but two, really?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I really thought
You just generally weren’t supposed to give money to pitchers in their 30s, unless they were absolutely at the top of the league.
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In a perfect world, no.
Too bad the game isn’t replete with available 27-year-old #2s.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, it isn't
But we’ve got tons of problems and a farm system that routinely dumps out excellent pitching prospects. Why not try to get someone who can fill all those empty holes around the diamond rather than performing a known-dumbass move?
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What empty holes around the diamond?
What routine excellent pitching prospects? No system does that except maybe Oakland, and they play in the f’ing Colosseum.
The only thing our system can be expected to produce are quality, major league players. We hit gold in Lester and Buchholz, but coming into the season all we knew we had locked up was a #1 and maybe a #3 in Buchholz.
We take our shots with a bunch of guys in the system to maximize our chances of producing a Lester, but that doesn’t mean you can rest on your laurels. Kelly bombs, and all of a sudden you’re left with a rotation of Lester, Buchholz (as a #3 type), Doubront, and two guys you’re paying $10 million for anyways. That’s not going to compete in the AL East.
Free Agency is a necessary evil.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're wasting your time
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Then let's keep fellating theo
And wait to hit a bottom deeper than the one we’ve currently hit.
We have a friggin’ 170m payroll and we’re fighting just to stay in the wild card race. It’s unbelievable.
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Against two teams headed for 98 wins, no, it's not.
You look at everything completely without context. It’s maddening.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
How is this without context?
We are in the best division in baseball. You need a minimum of 95 wins to even consider the playoffs. 90 is the same as 85 or 80; home in october.
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Because a GM cannot be held accountable for what division they play in.
Because you ignore the reality of the market and available resources.
Because you ignore injuries.
Because you ignore whether or not something is actually predictable except by fucking Hobbes.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
A GM needs to build a team
That can compete in the division they’re in. We are not on pace to come particularly close to the playoffs, with the highest non-Yankees payroll in sports history.
We’ve had injuries, but that doesn’t excuse the terrible decisions that theo has made recently, which is what I originally posted.
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And none of them were actually terrible.
See the last point.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
There was no way to predict Lackey would decline?
There was no way to know that Beckett, who is incredibly inconsistent, would be incredibly inconsistent?
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There was no way to predict Lackey would decline nearly this much.
Beckett has produced xFIPs of 3.43, 3.24, and 3.35 the last three years. I reject your premise.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
2009 ERA by month
7.22, 2.38, 1.51, 3.55, 5.03, 4.14. He isn’t consistent in his performances. Sometimes he’s dominant, other times he’s miserable for long stretches, and it’s all over the place.
Now, he’s stuck in incompetent. If you compare that to our real ace Lester, he started off terribly then was ~.5 for the rest of the season.
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And yet, over the course of the season, he brings it back down towards 3.35 each time.
Consistency is a buzz word. It’s garbage. If he’s inconsistent and buts up great numbers over a season, that means he was fucking fantastic at parts. But that’s besides the point, because Beckett xFIPs by month in 2009:
4.04, 3.52, 2.63, 3.16, 3.71, 3.17
What changes for Beckett are factors largely beyond the control of the pitcher.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn't just have injuries
We lost like 6 of 9 starters for large stretches of time. By your reasoning Pawtucket should be able to come up as a team and compete with the big league Yanks
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We can only do so much with the players we have
We’ve had Kevin FUCKING CASH AND JEREMY FUCKING HERMIDA just completely fucking everything up. How is a team supposed to win games with those guys? Shit happens, injuries happen.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't pay for him to play every game
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, none of this was my original point
Any monkey of a GM can have a bunch of injuries hit. But our monkey (or gorilla, I guess) has made numerous insanely bad decisions this offseason.
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so if we didn't sign
Lackey or Beckett we’re still fucked this year, and who do we replace those holes with?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The $30m we're paying them?
Give 20m to Lee if you want, at least he has been upper-echelon excellent.
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Nope, Yankees outbid us
Where do we go then?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
We make a move for Haren
Or any number of potential options, given that we have effectively 90 million dollars in our pockets. I’d much rather be fucked with cash in our pockets than poor and screwed.
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You ignore the list of injuries
Our injuries alone would beat most teams out the on a regular basis. as of right now we’re 3.5 out, if thats not a credit to Theo then what is?
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We lost our LF, 2B, pitcher, CF, catcher, and now 1B
Are you nuts? The Yankees wouldn’t even be where we are if they had the same injuries.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
BFD
I know the injuries, and you deal with it. We are still a 170m team that will need some incredible play to reach the playoffs.
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Payroll is a finite resource
If you’re going to overpay, go for players that are worth it. When the Becketts and Lackeys of the world (like the Lowells) decline, they don’t end up much better than any number of other options.
If you want to waste money, get really good players. And we don’t do that.
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This team gives me Herpes
I mean heart burn
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I'm blacked out because New Orleans is in the Rangers' MLB territory.
I suppose I should be glad I can’t see any of this tonight.
Not all that bad, its not like we're losing
yet
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Way to go Bard, you guys are really gonna sweep Texas
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Not Bard's fault.
Drew fucked up in the 7th.
And an infield single by Vlad Guerrero scoring a runner from second? Really?
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
a double from Hamilton
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
still a rocket
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That hugged the line. It happens.
He gave up one legitimate hit in 1.1 innings with three strikeouts and one intentional walk.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just kinda mad he didn't pitch around Hamilton a little bit.
I think it was safer with 2 outs
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He did
The double came on a pitch inside and off the plate.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So we have MDC coming in. Wake is still available, and then we'll have to go to Papsmear if need be.
In other words,
Sox lose.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
10-9 Sox in 10
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Back-to-back games, plus roasting-hot temperatures?
They said he was struggling with the heat in Toronto—it might be the same thing here.
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How can you walk Teagarden?
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MDC wants to make things more exciting.
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Yup... Manny's done :P
He’s good for about 10 pitches per outing, I think… if h can’t get out of an inning in under a dozen, he’s not gonna make it
i think i am haveing chest pains
hope to talk to you all the next game
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 13, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Seeya 'round #1
Hope you’re just kidding with that…
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
because we always lose?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's all participate in an exercise where we tell each other how we really feel about the other person
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I think you are insane and need to be institutionalized
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Kalish-Hall-McDonald for us,
Andrus-Young-Hamilton for them.
I am not optimistic.
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Hall or nothing swing
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Hall took over defensively for Lowrie
ha
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Or he died
and they’re waiting for the autopsy.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 13, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Expect to see Hall at 2B tomorrow.
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Is now a good time to mention
That Bill Hall is quietly towing a friggin’ incredible and unexpected batting line for us?
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he is the 2010 Red Sox MVP 2 next to Beltre
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So below average defense, and a decent bat is an MVP?
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
the astonishing thing
Is that he has a 106 OPS+ and Laser Show managed just a 110 last season.
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Head-to-head
Bill Hall: 239 PA, 58 H, 8 2B, 1 3B, 15 HR, 75 SO, .318/.473/.791
Jed Lowrie: 52 PA, 16 H, 6 2B, 2 HR, 7 SO, .429/.538/.967
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Papelbon has not been the same since the Dan Johnson home run
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do you remember that HR?
seems like after that he has been terrible
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After the last game, you think this team would get their heads out of their asses
Beckett, Francona pulling Beckett, Drew, Vic
The offense doesn’t make up for absolute bullshit defense.
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Crapelbon is not an all star closer
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HR from Hamilton
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
we are going to pitch to this guy?
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At this point why not?
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Yeah yeah I get that part
But fuck it. Paps thinks hes the shit, prove it
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"I cannot believe my eyes..."
“is the world filled with filth and lies?”
I suppose that’s one way to think of a knuckleballer
When I see Wake in the pen I see the 2010 version of the 2008 version of Mike Timlin
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Hey, now
At least Wake can give up a ton of runs over a bunch of innings.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He's no Lackey
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Staring takes time.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 14, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Paps,
that’s his 8th steal. Not exactly a speedster
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put your head down and walk to the bullpen in shame Papelbon
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13 pitches for Paps, they'll let him go another if up.
if not, its sink or swim on SS Wake.
the sox are delaying our misery tonight
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unlike us
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
This extra innings bad luck has to flip around sometime, right?
5 runs would be nice here.
Oh, Lord.
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this would be the real final blow
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You've already called for the final blow 5 times
you can’t keep doing that. It’s either over or its not. Hedger.
it is over, idiot
the only thing keeping us in it are the MFY and TB not closing the deal
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It's amazing that neither has stomped on our throat yet
It’s the only thing giving me hope that any other division will win the WS this year.
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I agree
it’s not so much what the Sox have done but what TB and MFY have not done.
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This is what the Yankees used to do
Just friggin’ hang around and then pounce at the last moment. If we had Youkilis around for September I’d still have some hope, since they haven’t sealed the deal.
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Just saw that ball go off VM's foot
This many injuries is not even believable, did they say if its broken?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
How would they know?
He’s putting on catching gear, so there’s that.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 14, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh okay, they showed it on MLBN and
just showed him being helped off. They made it seem real bad
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I'm shutting the game off
Wakefield is in
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Wakefield in.
We won’t be wasting much more time watching this game.
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What did I tell you?
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 14, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
pathetic job by Francona keeping in Beckett who had nothing in the game way too long
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dumbass Francona
I would have rather had Wake in for Beckett if he didn’t want to use anyone else so early. It was clear that Beckett didn’t have it.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 14, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Wakefield.....one pitch.
On a night of HRs, you put in the guy most likely to give up the long ball.
Oh, you know I didn't even think of that
Thanks for pointing that out.
Thank god the Premier League starts tomorrow
So I can focus on something interesting instead of this shit.
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awful game, we are so lucky TB is scuffling
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Doesn't matter when we blow games like the last two.
We should be 2 back right now instead we’re at four again WTF!
Positive thoughts....
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
How can there be after these two fucking games WTF!
Patriots looked good the other night. Sox cannot keep losing out on missed opurtunities…
SERIOUSLY WTF!
sarcasm
and Ty Warren…
ahhhhh
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If it's over, that's not "lucky"
it’s irrelevant, or at worst, emotionally annoying.
But if you are so sure it’s over, who cares what TB is doing?
R U FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!! SERIOUSLY R U FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!
Somebody is going to die tonight or should I say morning. Bard, he still can do good, Wakefield, he’s a corpse already, Sandy predicted that the Sox were going to lose tonight when it was 8-4. Sandy it is!!!
prolly shoulda coaxed one more inning out of Manny...
… either woulda meant we had Paps instead of Wake in the 11th OR we coulda gone home / to sleep earlier than this
Holy crap.
The little red dot Gameday uses to mark hit locations is very, very far from home plate. How far did Cruz hit it?
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Wake with the loss
on one pitch. I’d laugh, but I’m too busy raging.
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by Big Bad Double A on Aug 14, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
Wakefield's not really to blame here.
The defense and the starter, and the manager, are much more culpable in this loss.
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Seriously though one pitch?
He couldn’t have maybe thrown two
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by Big Bad Double A on Aug 14, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
True.
But once Wakefield enters a game, you know it’s a loss. Why is he still on the roster?
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 14, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Voodoo magic.
The Pirates have had sixteen losing seasons since they DFA’d Wakefield.
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That is -- seriously -- the best explanation I've seen.
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by Tessie's Dad on Aug 14, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You just knew it was over if Wake had to go into the game. WTF!
Bard you are suppose to be our only good reliever (still is) but WTF.
Dont blame Bard, please
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
Lowrie shoulda ate it, honestly.
And I will not blame Bard for this at all.
Its on beckett.
and WTF with Lowrie coming out of the game?
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He's recovering from mono
And is playing back-to-back days in 90+ degree heat. He’s probably struggling a bit to cope with the weather.
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Ah, ok
That makes sense.
Whats Ellsbaby’s excuse?
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
ok
More worried about Victor…
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
No
More so Beckett.
Not Bard
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes partially Bard. He was in the game with us up 9-8...
And when he ended the inning the game was tied at 9. Part of the blame does go to Bard how can it not. Mostly I blame Beckett and Doubront then Bard and Lowrie. Those two the least though.
Doubront....
ehh
More Bard than Doubront actualy
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Bard also...
gave up the double to Cruz that scored Molina with two outs in the 7th. Granted, the run is scored as Doubront’s, but if Bard gets the out we have a two run lead going into the 8th.
I never said that
Just I dont get how this is blamed on him
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I know how you love Bard so much bestboston and he deserves it...
But part of the blame for this game does go on him. I don’t see how it cannot.
Part of it
its all on the whole team, really.
But Bard seems to be being blamed waaay too much more than beckett
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 14, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It is on the whole team...
Beckett a lot because of a terrible outing but the bullpen blew it again plain and simple.
Both sucked except for Delcarmen and Paps and Atchison I think we can all agree on that.
I hope we just keep losing instead of losing like this
against the Yankees in the final series to lose the wild card
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#%@&$#
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