With Pedroia's Return, Red Sox Face A Scutaro - Lowrie Conundrum
Jed Lowrie's redemption has come in a hurry.
After suffering through a rookie season ruined by injury, a mismanaged recovery, and finally a case of mono that left the young middle infielder labeled as mediocre and injury prone, Lowrie has finally been given a shot to prove the doubters wrong. Through a scant 60 plate appearances, he is doing just that.
Small sample size though it may be, Lowrie's performance has been entirely impressive. With a batting line of .313/.441/.500, Jed has been exactly the sort of sparkplug the Red Sox offense has needed, and more than it could have expected from the return of any other player, even Dustin Pedroia.
This is not to say that Lowrie is a better player in any respects than Dustin Pedroia--60 plate appearances are 60 plate appearances--but seeing a healthy Lowrie come hot out of the gate is an encouraging reminder of the up-and-coming talent he was before breaking his wrist (noticeably, those left and right handed splits that went to hell after the injury have come right back up to even). Combining one of the most disciplined approaches at the plate in the game (and without the maddening tendency to look at meatballs that often accompanies such an approach) with a reliable doubles swing and high contact rates, Lowrie has the build of a player that can continue putting up big numbers for his position--if perhaps not so Hanley Ramirez big as we have seen of late.
But Dustin Pedroia will come back, and the Red Sox will be left with three players in two positions. We have seen in 2008 that Jed Lowrie can handle the shortstop position, so where does that leave Marco Scutaro? Certainly his numbers haven't been what they were in 2009, but a good deal of that seems attributable to the fact that Scutaro has been playing practically every game despite dead muscle issues. If he were to finally see some time off, though, and get fixed up over the offseason, Scutaro could probably start on at least half the teams in the majors, if not more.
The thing about Scutaro is that his contract is affordable to almost all of those teams. At just $5 million next year, Scutaro is noticeably cheaper than some of the veterans getting big deals on name recognition. As a one-year deal with a cheap player option, he's also low-risk for anyone who might look to pick him up over the offseason. Even with this season's regression, there is almost certainly a market for Scutaro. Just look at who teams like the Mariners, and Orioles are fielding.
Of course, if Lowrie can finish his season with anything other than a collapse, there will likely be some serious interest in him as well. Just 26-years-old and still a year away from arbitration, Lowrie comes with four years of team control, and even some potential to dream on. The question for other teams is the same as for the Red Sox: was his wrist injury a one-time thing, or does he deserve his injury-prone reputation?
So what do the Red Sox do with this situation? One thing that seems an absolute waste is for the Red Sox to stash Jed Lowrie on the bench. Whether it be here or on another team, he has earned his shot as a starter between the beginning of 2008, and these last few weeks.The situation could solve itself if Marco Scutaro's injuries persist and he becomes more of a backup player, but otherwise it seems crazy to pay a utility man $5 million if there's someone else out there willing to pick up the bill for a starter. Perhaps Jed Lowrie could switch over to third if Beltre leaves and no replacement is found, but it seems a shame to play a shortstop at a corner.
Am I overrating 60 plate appearances? Am I in denial over Lowrie's injury issues? Am I crazy to think either could be considered a commodity by another team, if certainly no blue chip piece? Perhaps on any and all of those points. But one thing that is becoming clear is that the Red Sox are going to have three starting-quality middle infielders, and only two spots. For the next month or so, the Sox can probably wing it with a rotation between a trio of players not quite at 100%, but eventually something will have to be done. An enviable conundrum, perhaps, but one that needs solving none-the-less.
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It's the SS position for the post-Nomar Sox, no matter what they decide....
it will be the wrong decision.
How far is Iglesias away? Ready in 2012? If so, then they may be tempted to cash in on Jed and get a bullpen arm or AA ready power bat. Play Scoot for another year, bring Iglesias up for a taste late in the year and commit to him Elvis Andrus style for 2012.
But I’m a big Jed fan. I wouldn’t mind a full commit to him for the next few years. Bill Mueller, Carney Lansford type of guy.
When is Pedroia back?
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Tuesday?
I think that’s right. He plays in Pawtucket this weekend for his rehab.
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I bet
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 13, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep'em both.
If neither are getting regular starting time, who cares? They’re both cheap and both pretty talented. Jed can play every position in the infield and has a solid bat. I think it would be foolish to trade away a player and then watch 2009 play out again at the SS position. Keep Scoot and let Jed spell him frequently, and give the other guys nights off too. Then in 2012 let Lowrie and Iglesias, if he’s ready, duke it out for the starting role.
We’re going to need a backup infielder anyway, might as well keep them both around since they’re both good and both already ours.
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Marco has been just awful
Not only with his bat but his fielding is terrible….I have watched every single game and it seems that at least once i night i am screaming at something scutaro has done. His d has been some of the most piss poor dfence i have ever seen.
not only with the numbers but balls go right past him with out even a dive, its more like a pretend dive so people think hes trying. he rushes his throws when there is no need to, and has turned more easy double plays balls into “everyones safe” more then i like to remember.
Jed’s been hitting and he cant be worse on d. I hope they start jed and get rid off scut….i rathar have bill hall (at least he can hit)
by beantownbeamer34 on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
Dude -
Scutaro’s been pretty damn solid at that position. He’s certainly been at least average, and at that position where we’ve always had a black whole of suckitude coughLugocough, a line of .267/.330/.368 looks pretty damn good. And he has 7 homers and 37 RBIs – and his defense is pretty good on top of it. I’ll take him any day. I say let him finish the second year as starting SS with Lowrie as our utility guy, then give Lowrie the helm after that.
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yes this
Scutaro’s struggled a lot at the plate lately, because he needs a couple of days off. Before that, he was offensively fantastic and defensively, very good. I think beantownbeamer is screaming at Scutaro because he doesn’t understand the nature of the shortstop position… which is frankly understandable as a red sox fan.
Scoot has been pretty damn good for us this year. His play has fallen as of late but it’s because he’s been playing hurt for a significant team but has been a soldier about it. He sees a ton of pitches at the plate, gets on base regularly and plays pretty average defense at short, something that’s been pretty rare for us. He’s been a stabilizer on the left side of the infield and was one of Theo’s best pickups lately. We weren’t expecting and all-star, just an average short stop and that’s exactly what he’s given us despite his injuries.
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I've thought about this quite a bit
first of all, I think both are great players. Both are versatile and provide very good defense at a variety of positions. Both seem to have what I would call an elite batters eye and the ability to foul off bad pitches that makes players like Youk and Pedroia so successful.
I really like Scoot a lot, but I think I like Lowrie more, just because he has more power potential at the plate and seems to be better at drawing walks.
Either way, this year, I’m not sure it’s a huge conundrum. Scutaro has been struggling because he’s played so much and reportedly has been dealing with some minors injuries. Lowrie is apparently not yet ready to play every day. In my mind, just because of the absurd numbers he’s put up since returning, Lowrie should be playing shortstop when he is able to, with Scutaro backing up other positions and playing shortstop when Lowrie isn’t- which so far looks like it would be about a 50-50 time split.
For the offseason, the question is what would people offer us for each? Either should get quite a solid return. Obviously, because of cost and team control, Lowrie is worth more to us.
Lowrie, Scutaro, and Pedroia would make a good platoon in the middle infield
Since none of them will realistically be able to play 100% of the time, this way they can get enough days off to stay off the DL again.
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The most important thing I agree with here is Ben's point that both are attractive to other teams
Sox officially have to more pieces to maneuver this off season. Neither really has to go, and neither would be a primary piece of a trade. But having two MLB capable 6’s is most definitely a good thing.
Especially considering the risk at 3rd base, catcher, the pen and potentially LF this off season- it’s good to have maneuverability at other positions.
Injury Prone?
We so quickly label guys.
He’s had 1 injury which was complicated by covering it up, and then trying to take the easy route. And 1 illness.
Yes, it is tough to watch a guy with promise no play- esp. in light of the struggles the team had. A healthy Lowrie against the Rays in 2008? Who knows, the outcome might have been different. Last year? We really could have used stability there and might not have had to settle for the wild card.
I’m just leery of labels. Save ‘em for the guys who earn ’em (Ellsbury hasn’t earned it either). Ben Sheets is injury prone. Becket seems injury prone if you consider how he’s on the DL every year. Nick Johnson- injury prone.
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Nick Johnson is not injury prone
he is a walking injury. I’m pretty sure that over his career he has spent more games on the DL than not on the DL.
+1
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 13, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
For now I'd..
make Lowrie the bench player, but one who sees a decent amount of playing time. I wouldn’t want to push Pedroia too much coming back from injury so I’d rest him more frequently at first then normal. Also I’d rest Scutaro more now since we have Pedroia back and a bench player for him since he’s played a lot this year.
If it turns out down the stretch that we’re doing better with Lowrie then we are Scutaro then we can alway make the switch a-la Jackoby/Crisp. Then in the offseason we can deal one of them, even though I think there is a bigger market out there for Jed since he’s younger.
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by sonicdeathmonkey on Aug 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
However, if there's anything this season should have shown the Sox
It’s that you don’t trade away versatility. There aren’t too many players who can play all the infield positions, and switch hit with a respectable OPS. To give that up, you’d have to be getting a heck of a player in return. I can’t think of what the Sox would be looking for in such a trade, but I’d be looking for a blue-chip 3B or honest-to-goodness catcher of the future to include Lowrie in a serious package. (There are almost no circumstances under which he should be traded for a reliever.)
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Exactly
We don’t need another 2009 with 29341234013 different SS’s getting time. If we need another reliever, which I’m not sure we will, Bowden, Doubront and Coello will get lots of looks early, we can trade some of our ridiculous OF depth for it if they don’t pan out. We should hold onto him, he isn’t going to cost us much anyway and Lowrie could be the starter of the future, say what you want about Iglesias but he hasn’t done a thing past AA yet, Lowrie has shown he can hit ML pitching. I would suck to go from depth to great need if Scoot were to go down next year, or Lowrie if we trade Scoot instead. Just makes no sense. Keep’em both.
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There are some good relievers hitting the market this winter.
Maybe Theo won’t be afraid of hurting Craps ego and will invest in that.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It really all depends on Beltre.
If we re-sign Adrian Beltre, One of Scutaro/Lowrie becomes tradable. If Beltre goes elsewhere, we keep Lowrie for 3B because we’d have to find another quality 3B at value – no easy task.
If the forever-rumored Adrian Gonzales trade happens in the off-season, Lowrie/Scutaro could very well be a piece of the puzzle.
Yeah, I think Lowrie has so much more trade value, and I like him more.
It’s a 26 year old SS who you could realistically convert to 2B or maybe even 3B vs. a 35 year old SS. I think it actually gets kinda risky with trading Lowrie. It’s no guarantee that Iglesias ever gets past AA. Lowrie could be a long term option, but holds more trade value.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah exactly how I feel about Iglesias
and if Iglesias does make it up in 2012 say, it’s not like Lowrie is suddenly valueless- he’s still a good player under team control for a few years. Keeping him for now seems like by far the safer option. I’m still of the opinion that the best thing to do is to plan on holding on to both, but listen on either and only trade if it’s a fantastic return.
2011 team easily includes lowrie
Trade Paps and Ells to Mil for Prince to DH. Put Lowrie at 3rd. Sign Werth to play Left, move Kalish to Center. Reddick on bench.
Better offensive team. Same money or less.
Why would we trade those players for a guy that has one year left on his contract?
We could just bring back Ortiz for another year, and then sign Fielder.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's OK, I hear the sox have free membership at the rec center.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Go with......
the young guy who’s playing well,and that’s Lowrie. For the reasons mentioned. Scutaro is playing @less than 100%,is 34(?),and may not be a long-term guy for the Sox anyway.
Lowrie was considered their potential SS of the future before his injury/illness problems….Appears healthy again,and is playing well. Go with Lowrie as the regular SS,with Scutaro backing up @both middle-if positions the rest of the way. If Lowrie should falter,you can always go back to Scutaro as the regular.
Time to find out what you have with Jed Lowrie…..
Go with Lowrie
because Scutaro sucks. No brainer. Scutaro will be fine off the bench if Bill Hall is injured.
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2011 25 man roster:
Assuming some re-signs
C – VMart
1B – Youk
2B – Pedey
SS – Scoot
3B – Beltre
LF – Kalish
CF – Ellsbury
RF- Drew
DH – Ortiz
SP – Lester
SP – Buchholz
SP – Beckett
SP – Lackey
SP – Dice-K
RP – Bard
RP – Papelbon
RP – Wake
RP – Doubront
RP – Bowden
RP – MDC
RP – Coello
OF – Cameron
OF – Nava
IF – Lowrie
C/1B – Salty
Of course this is hypothetical but if we resign our FA this is a pretty deep lineup head to toe. The bullpen will probably look nothing like that and maybe Cameron starts in place of Kalish or maybe Lowrie starts at SS and Scoot is on the bench, either way this is a roster with versatility and skill.
If we can’t trade Scoot (I’d rather keep Lowrie since we don’t know what Iglesias is capable of) for a decent infield utility guy, keep him as the utility guy. Having both is a strength we shouldn’t deal.
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by Rogue Nine on Aug 13, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think that's pretty much dead on
Except I expect the pen to be remade more dramatically than that… good chance Wake hangs em up IMO.
For a “bridge year” I would be damn happy if we ran it back with these same guys and a new pen.
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It looks good to me.
Maybe we can add a FA reliever.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 13, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Scutaro has been solid
I think he has held down the fort at the lead-off spot pretty well while Ellsbury was out. Based on his career track record I think he has given the team all of the production they could reasonably expect. He has made a few more errors than I would like, but I think his range has been solid. Overall the team has gotten infinately more out of the SS position than last year.
I think Lowrie can be an everyday player, a latter day Jody Reed without the porn-stache and hopefully a better agent. It would not shock me if he was packaged in the offseason, or if Scooter is moved to clear a little payroll. At the end of the day whoever is the SS is keeping the seat warm for Iglesias. I’ll take an elite defender who can put up 290/240/430 with 20 net steals.
by Jason Chalifour on Aug 13, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
Im not sure if this is an option
But as much as I would love to see Beltre in a sox uniform next year, it may be unlikely. So I would say keep Lowrie on the roster for the year I.C.E. (in case of emergency). And next year if we cant sign Beltre for whatever reason, see if Lowrie can play third.
I have such I hard problem taking Lowrie out
But you just cannot take out Scutaro.
Pedroia will not play everyday when he returns, thats a fast resolution.
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 13, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
Doubtful...
Although he will get a few days off, I’d imagine Petey is in there every day & Scutaro will get the lion’s share at SS, but Lowrie will be used liberally.
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Pedrioa will be next year though.
I mean it sucks to have talent like Lowrie or Scoot on the bench but, they’ll be invaluable in the future so we don’t have to acquire more Patterson types.
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Patterson will be out when Pedroia returns, right?
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Great
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 13, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think that will be the move.
Its gonna be ugly around here if so.
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Who do you think it'll be?
Patterson has barely played, Lowrie will probably be needed as an infield replacement since it looks like Ellsbury might still be hurt, Hall in the OF.
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Well, we only have 13 position players right now
So I could easily see one of the young pen arms being shuffled out rather than lose Patterson. Ellsbury being hurt changes things, but they might have tried to sneak McDonald down now.
Most likely we’d go back to the normal 14 position players/ 11 pitchers set up, at least until Sept 1st – it will be about two weeks from Petey’s return to expanded rosters, when Patterson could certainly be of some use to us.
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More likely than Patterson passing through waivers.
McDonald is a 31 year old subpar defensive OF who only hits LHPs. Patterson is a 27 year old who is more versatile with multiple years of control left who batted .307/.376/.494 in AAA last year.
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In fact, looks like Bowden is up now - most likely for one of the other pen arms.
Like I said above, they’d probably just switch out another pen arm come Tuesday.
Very little chance IMO that Patterson would be the guy. McDonald slightly more likely, pitchers dramatically more likely than either. They’re going to want Patterson for September.
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sure, it's probably Bowden replaces Ellsbury and Pedroia replaces Bowden with Ellsbury back on the DL
But my point was, McDonald wouldn’t make it back to Pawtucket. It wasn’t a comment on who the Red Sox need in Boston the most or anything like that.
I don't see the issue here
All 3 players will be with the Sox at least through 2011, Lowrie likely longer. There is absolutley no need to move Lowrie and he fills an important role because he can play 3 IF positions. When Pedrioa returns he won’t play every day for a week or more, so Lowrie will get his starts. With Pedroia and Scutaro back, Lowrie goes to the bench and plays once or twice a week. Really not that complicated, Scutaro and obvioulsy Pedroia have shown to be better players than Lowrie thus far.
Scutaro has not.
And paying a guy $5 million to block a better player next year isn’t ideal.
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by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh 60 plate appearances.
Worst comes to worst we can deal Scoot next year at the trade deadline for cash considerations and a crappy prospect.
All I'm hearing is
“Sean was right.”
But my brain thinks that a lot.
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scutaro sucking
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by Sean O on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it's true.
He was wrong about that.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Does someone wanna tell me where the @#$% Drugs Delaney is?
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Scoot is the anti-suck
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I don't see too much of an issue for the remainder of this year, certainly.
They’re resting Lowrie due to the lost body mass/durability from the mono. This will actually work well to give Scutaro the rest he deserves as well.
Now, next year? Next year might get interesting.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Does someone wanna tell me where the @#$% Drugs Delaney is?
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It's funny, earlier people were saying Lowrie sucks,
and now we want him to play a significant role.
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Well, there's always a couple of "Player X Sux" folks around, but yeah. Most just question durability.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Does someone wanna tell me where the @#$% Drugs Delaney is?
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well yeah
there’s some people that if Youk went hitless for a game would be like “youk sucks, he’s not clutch”.
I’ve always joked about Lowrie just cuz it was getting ridiculous how long he was on the DL, but neither of the problems he’s had seem to lend themselves to further injury

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