This Time, Rally Doesn't Fall Short For Red Sox
by Ben Buchanan on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 PM EDT
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PrintYesterday, David Ortiz hit a ninth inning grand slam to bring the Red Sox within one run of the Detroit Tigers. The rally fell short, however, as Mike Cameron struck out to end the game with the tying run in scoring position. Today, trailing by two entering the inning, the Red Sox finished the job.
After Daisuke's typically shaky start put the Red Sox in a four run hole, the Sox managed to get five runners on base in the seventh, scoring two before David Ortiz struck out with the bases loaded. In the ninth inning, he got another chance. Darnell McDonald hit a leadoff single before Jed Lowrie hit a one out double and Youkilis was walked to set up David Ortiz with another bases loaded situation. Down two runs, all the Red Sox needed was a hit to tie the game up. On a 2-1 fastball from Phil Coke, he delivered the tie, and the win, placing the ball between the left and center fielder, clearing the bases with a walkoff double.
The winning effort was supported by newly arrived Dustin Richardson and Ryan Kalish, both called up from Pawtucket today. Richardson recorded two outs in the seventh inning after Daisuke was pulled, while top prospect Kalish recorded two hits and drove in the Red Sox' first run--a solid debut for someone the Red Sox are hoping will be a big part of their future.
So no trades today for the Red Sox, but already contributions from a new piece.
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I didn't get to see the game but watching some replays of Kalish.
I am impressed of the look of him. He looks that of a major leaguer not kinda small like Lowrie or Reddick seem to in my eyes. I hope he stays a regular part of our lineup. I really hope our outfield consist of him next year. This is the most excited I have been for a call up this year.
I love Lester and Pedroia!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
It will be interesting to see what they do with Kalish on this cup o coffee.
Everyday LF’er? I hope so.
Then, once Ellsbury is back (next week?), do you send Kalish down or DFA Patterson? We don’t need Patterson’s token 2B ability anymore.
Ellsbury won’t be back next week. He isn’t doing very well yet atm. Mike Cameron has injury issues but I think Kalish needs to go back to the minors for just a bit longer. The Sox are rushing him but he does get some ML experience. If or when JD Drew retires, Daniel Nava/Kalish could take his spot or Mike Cameron’s…or even Ellsbury’s when he comes back.
Nava?
What does OTM see in Daniel Nava? He had his 15 mins.
I’m not sure if Kalish can truly play CF, I hope he can and that the Sox platoon him with Cameron next year. Trade Ellsbury, go get some power for LF.
Kalish can play CF, which he did in Pawtucket.
Supposedly he’s a much better corner OF. These isn’t the best defensive comparisons, but think how Crawford plays better LF than CF.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see
He’s an intelligent ballplayer who can swing the bat pretty well (850+ OPS at both AAA and MLB), and works the count well. He’s OK as a defender, and has worked his butt off to make it as far as he has. It’s hard NOT to root for him, frankly.
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Ellsbury is in pawtucket
they plan on re-evaluating him after sunday… unless something tragic happens, sounds like he’ll be back next week.
Kalish gets sent down when Ells comes up, just because he needs everyday at bats at this point in his progression. Patterson is useless, but Kalish isn’t a bench player.
start Kalish in LF
sit Cameron
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kalish has all of one day of MLB service to his track record
Cameron has years and years. Not the time to gamble on something like that when historically, rookies tend to struggle when they first come up.
Cameron is injured and cant play good anyways
Give Kalish a chance, he looks good and has more upside than Cameron ever did starting.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I agree with that
his defense has looked fine lately, barring the play yesterday where he just shouldn’t have tried to glove the ball and should have let it fall. His bat is a given as streaky and has been- very hot when hot, very cold when cold. at the moment, to my eyes, Cameron looks like what we bargained for. There’s also a big question mark about what condition Ellsbury will be in when he comes bak and what position he should be playing.
Ellsbury will be fine, he's a helluva player
If Cameron is so hurt, DL him, play Ellsbury-Drew and Kalish or Nava and take your chances there.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Cameron looks that hurt
he looks can’t-play-four-games-in-a-row hurt. Which is fine. He doesn’t need a DL, that won’t help him over the course of the rest of the season, that will just eliminate him from the team. Ellsbury will be fine if he is playing at 100%. If he’s not at 100% and is going to be a lot more careful about how he plays, he stops being a useful player completely. If he’s healthy and not afraid, he’ll be a huge addition.
Cameron feels like an automatic out
and is hitting .063 in his last seven games.
Id like to see how Nava and Kalish have done in that time.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam is playing through an injury
and will need surgery in the offseason. I’ve heard that it takes him an hour or two to get warm, and then he has to ice his whole upper body right after the game. It’s kinda late to DL him now, since he’s been playing through it for so long. If we were gonna DL him, it should have been months ago, and it should have ended his season.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he's very streaky
before that he was doing fantastic. We knew this going into the year. He’s only recently picked up the power, but other than that, this year so far looks like a small sample size of his whole career. He’ll be fantastic some weeks at the plate and terrible other weeks.
The only way Kalish plays over Cam is
because Theo has already decided that Kalish will be starting in LF from the beginning of next year.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a matter of Patterson, it's a matter of Cameron.
We’re not gonna have Kalish replace Patterson as a backup. Kalish is either gonna go down or play LF when Ells comes back with Ells in CF.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SUCK IT TAMPA!!!!!
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Hellickson is starting for them on Monday.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
for a spot start
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw, any news on Galarraga. Youk is like Roberto Clemente, if you’re smart, you can time a line drive and take someone out →Bob Gibson<-.
Youk is going for a record on HBP’s.
Kalish really looks like an MLB player
super impressed.
BTW, why in the world did they give up McGuiness and Mendez for Saltalamaccia?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
They gave up two guys who were buried in this organization (too many guys ahead of each)
for depth at the C position. That’s pretty much it.
No real need to read much more into it than that.
Who was McGuiness buried behind other than
Rizzo and Anderson? I had hm as 3rd ranked 1B
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Youk, Lars and Rizzo is quite a pile
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Youk too, right
And dont forget if there were injury, they now have Bates, Shealy, and Hannahan as quick fix solutions now too. A lot of depth at the position.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, those two, primarily, yeah
Youk too, at the big league level.
Sox didn’t seem to want to promote him for some reason.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 31, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I am totally PSYCHED that Kalish is up and Hermida is gone.
Now, can we DFA Patterson and bring Nava back up for him?
YES
I miss Nava
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This I would completely support
Patterson’s only ability he could really bring to the big leagues is probably his speed, which is not worth a 25-man slot.
Any word on how Nava has been against lefties since his demotion?
I havent seen his splits vs LHP
But hes been good in AAA, I know that
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah definitely good
Just I know a good portion of the reason they sent him down is that despite being a switch hitter, his OPS of 911 batting left-handed didn’t stack up to his OPS of 584 batting right handed. I know they wanted him to work on the right-handed swing. Would love to see him back up (and if not before, I think there’s no question that he’ll be up in september.
Nava? Or Kalish?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats ok, no worries
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 31, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait. I'm confused
This just means he struggles against lefties: a common issue, But, given that his Pawtucket OPS sits in the 800s (just like his MLB OPS), that means he’s probably not seeing many lefties down there, either—unless they just want him to bat right-handed when there’s a RHP on the mound as well.
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well there's always more lefties than righties
his natural swing is left handed, so he’s not gonna give that up.
More lefties than righties? Really?
His MLB splits were roughly 3:1 in terms of PAs against RHP:LHP. Assuming the split is comparable in AAA as well, I don’t see how he’s really supposed to work on it, when he doesn’t really get a whole lot of opportunities.
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well I mean it's not like it's fewer possibilities than in the MLB
no, he’s not going to a lefty-only league to work on his right-handed swing, but they wanted him to try to work out the swing in the minors. This is just what I’ve heard from Francona, which I why I was asking. Theres still as many opportunities as in the majors…
So did Epstein give up?
Or is he just waiting for everyone to get healthy again?
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waiting for everyone to get helthy
There wasn’t anything he could do.
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by BoldandBrash on Aug 1, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah true
Well… except maybe with the bullpen
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 1, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
A good reliever would have come at an absolutely astronomical price
For instance, Scott Downs for Casey Kelly: A #1 prospect for a middle reliever? Really, Toronto?
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Toronto has sunk a ton of money into scouting and the draft this past year or so.
Not too surprised that they’re reluctant to sell their two picks in a stacked draft for anything short of a blue chipper.
USG
another example of how effed up this draft system is.
Yeah, we’ve got a completely competent 7th inning guy and we aren’t contending so we don’t need him. Should we trade him and get a return from a team that does need him and let them pay the price? Nah, we’ll hang on to him and let him pitch another 30 irrelevent games, thus taking 30 games off his career so that he can walk away at the end of the year and the system gives us 2 draft picks.
This draft pick compensation thing just beffuddles me. Who thought this would be a good idea? You get compensated for being too cheap to sign a reliever. WTF.
And, at the end of the day, we’re talking about Scott Freaking Downs here.
He hedged his bets
A reasonable, safe choice.
I would have been very tempted to see what I could get for VMart.
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Brought a smile to my face
The game thread was full of the usual nay-sayers…and the team comes back to win
Awesome!
Victor
Funny how people lamented the loss of the best-hitting catcher position to injuries, and then when the situation normalizes some fantasize about trading Martinez?!
The point I was making is that I would have been tempted to go into "sell mode"
and pull the plug on the season. We’re more than a few games back, if you looked at the standings.
I’d like to see them re-sign Beltre. I don’t really want to see VMart in a Sox uniform next year if signing him is going to take anything close to what I’m hearing. I also think VMart could have gotten us a pretty damn good return. I’m happy we stayed the course (we do have a decent chance still, IMO), but I sure would have been tempted to see what teams would pay for a VMart rental.
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