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Red Sox Trade Deadline: Sox Deal Ramon Ramirez, Call Up Dustin Richardson and Ryan Kalish

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UPDATE: Daniel Turpen is the return in the Ramon Ramirez deal. Double-A reliever with middling stuff and numbers, This makes no sense to me what-so-ever.

The Red Sox have been relatively quiet at the trade deadline for the first time in years, but they've still made some changes.

First, there are reports that Ramon Ramirez has been traded to the Giants. The Red Sox return isn't clear yet, but this is about as close as the Sox could really get to clear selling given how hard it would be to get real value from an Adrian Beltre or Victor Martinez deal. Ramirez was the only one of the "Terrible Trio" of Okajima-Declarmen-Ramirez that actually carried any value, given his improvement as the year has gone on (3.18 ERA in June, 3.27 ERA in July).

The Sox have also shaken up their roster by promoting Dustin Richardson and Ryan Kalish from Triple-A Pawtucket. Richardson has already seen some time with the team, and has struggled this year with his control, but Kalish is the really big move.

Ranked as the second best prospect in the system by SoxProspects.com, Kalish is something of a jack-of-all-trades in the outfield. Capable of playing center or an above-average corner outfield, Kalish is an all-around hitter who combines good power and contact hitting with a fantastic approach at the plate. He can be a threat when he gets on the basepaths, with 25 steals in 28 attempts.

To make room for Kalish, Jeremy Hermida has been designated for assignment. Having been brought in by the Red Sox as a high-upside fourth outfielder, Hermida has done nothing but show exactly why he's considered a bust, displaying awful plate discipline and even worse defense.

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Chris McGuiness and Roman Mendez. Fuck.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 31, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Not thrilled with that either. Maybe he’s going to be Jeremy Hermida II when/if we don’t re-sign VMart.

Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 nobodies for a MLB catcher

which the Sox desperately need.

Seems like a great deal to me. Prospects usually do nothing. Probably the last time either McGuiness or Mendez will be heard from again.

by SoxAcumen on Jul 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Prospects usually do nothing /= them not being worth anything

There’s a reason this FO doesn’t like to trade prospects when it doesn’t have to.

Mendez is probably a future 8th inning guy, the exact type of guy we’re looking for now.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 31, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Great coverage of these guys, but I remember similar things said about Masterson a guy who is getting shelled regularly.

I bet, if you got a MIT Math guy, the statistical chance of any prospect is so small it would shock you.

Versus a guy who has played in the majors with some success.

lll take the guy who has played in the majors.

by SoxAcumen on Jul 31, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only problem is that Salt has had virtually no success in MLB.

"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Masterson should be in the bullpen

We know this, the Indians don’t seem to, and if we had him now our pen problems wouldn’t feel so bad.

I’ve read the reports about how low of a success rate prospects have, especially pitchers, but all big leaguers have to come from somewhere. I’d rather it be from our own system than from someone else’s.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 31, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, cleveland doesn't need to compete

they have nothing to lose by seeing if he can succeed as a starter. If he fails, he’ll eventually end up in some other teams bullpen. Frankly, he was never that fantastic as a bullpen pitcher anyways.

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's essentially a nice ROOGY

Just don’t let him face a left-handed batter.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 31, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

McGuiness’ upside is Chris Carter without even a smidge of power; Mendez is yet another live arm struggling to establish secondary stuff. The only way this resembles the Hermida deal is that we’re buying low and giving up little; anyone who considers this deal “risky” doesn’t understand the deal between worthwhile chances worth taking, and foolhardy, Zambrano- Kazmir risktaking.

by El Destruyo on Jul 31, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah...

I understand fine, just not thrilled with trading anything for a guy who I think is unlikely to be of value for the big league club. In my estimation, this includes Salty.

Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2010 8:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kalish singled his first at bat

by n0va on Jul 31, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Sox got Daniel Turpen for Ramram

AA pitcher – righty – 5-5 record; 4.09 ERA

by dsharp on Jul 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

4-0

On a day like today, you can either think of the future, drink heavily, or both.

by El Destruyo on Jul 31, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's better than simply letting Ramram go and getting nothing for him.

I however have a feeling Ramram is going to be amazing for the Giants, which will make me hate him more.

by ruktuim on Jul 31, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not just not non-tender him.

If he keeps performing like he did in June and July, just hold onto him.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 31, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's another option, but we have guys like Richardson we can give time out of the pen to, who will most likely do just as good of a job.

This allows us to give young guys a shot/time in the majors to show off (if we want to build trade value for them or become a valuable part of the club) and also get a minor prospect as well.

by ruktuim on Jul 31, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So would

Releasing Wakefield and Okajima

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 31, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but we don't get anything in return for releasing them (other than opening up the roaster spot).

Personally I’d have rather us tried to sell them Oki instead of Ram.

I see this season (with our complete inactivity at the deadline) as over, at least in the eyes of the front office. So I’m assuming we go after some major bullpen help in the winter, so that makes RamRam very expendable.

by ruktuim on Jul 31, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Ramirez could actually be a valuable piece of the pen at some point in the future.

Unlikely, but a chance. Not so Okajima and Wakefield. There’s just zero reason to do this move.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 31, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do get your point, out of Oki, Wake and RamRam.....

RamRam is the one most likely to have a rebound and be a useful part of the pen where Wake/Oki have almost zero potential…..which is sad because I had a man crush on Oki.

by ruktuim on Jul 31, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a man crush on RamRam </3

by n0va on Jul 31, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's back up a second

and not pretend that it makes sense to release Wake.
1. Signed cheaply next year
2. Very good chance he’ll be able to recover and be effective- also a fine spot starter
3. He’s basically the face of the Red Sox- just a terrible PR move, especially for the players who would just see veterans getting disrespected and be less inclined to sign with the sox.

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Veterans getting disrespected....hes 43 years old, at some point you need to retire, the Red Soxs have stuck by Wake, but if they don't bring him back it isn't disrespect imo.

Wake looked terrible this year as a starter:

5.65 ERA, 5.13 xFiP, 5.07 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.34 WHIP (Not to mention at least 1 passed ball a start it seems)

He didn’t do too much better last year:

4.58 ERA, 5.50 xFiP, 5.00 K/9, 3.47 BB/9, 1.44 WHIP

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to give young starters a chance as our spot starter.

by ruktuim on Aug 1, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does make sense. would you rather have...

A – Ramon Ramirez on your major league roster with Bowden and Doubront playing where it doesn’t matter in AAA; or

B – Bowden or Doubront on your major league roster in place of Ramram plus another semi-decent prospect in AA?

I’d take B.

by dsharp on Jul 31, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think we step back from Ramram to Doubront, who has held his own as a starter.

This way we get younger, add another longrelief/spot starter to the roster, and have a little more upside down the road

by dsharp on Jul 31, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that is that plan

The AAA season is getting close to finished anyways, and he’s doubtlessly on an innings count. Makes perfect sense at this point to let him be in the pen the rest of the year and return to starting next year.

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, bitterness against relievers is too easy to fall back on. I wish him well, remembering that he was amazing working the pre-Bard (and almost equally thin) bullpen last season. As long as he doesn’t somehow end up in Colorado again, I’m sure he’ll do fine for a few years in the NL. Vaya con dios, Ramon.

by El Destruyo on Jul 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you rather have…
A – Okajima and Delcarmen on your ML roster and Ramon Ramirez stay or

B – Bowden or Doubront on your major league roster in place of Okajima and Delcarmen

I’d use A and B

?

by n0va on Jul 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

EDIT: I rather have Robert Manuel in place of Doubront. Doubront being a backup starter unless Wake refuses.

by n0va on Jul 31, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

RamRam

I thought Ramirez was decent the last two months. They gave him away!

by Hallelujah2004 on Jul 31, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

July 31st

Big Papi…7 RBIs in the 9th inning the last two days

by Hallelujah2004 on Jul 31, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

alot of teams lately have been giving up or scoring runs in the 9th. lol

by n0va on Jul 31, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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