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Decline in Intrest, Victims of their Own Success

Much has been made of the erosion of the Red Sox TV ratings, and seeming erosion of interest.  There have been many theories suggested:  the team lacks superstars, fans never bought into "run prevention" and "bridge years," the playoff runs of the Celtics and Bruins have stolen some of the spotlight, "Pink Hats" have taken over Fenway, tickets are too expensive, baseball itself is in decline.  The reality is that the heightened levels of interest over the naughties were never sustainable.

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The Red Sox are victims of their own success both on the field bringing an elusive World Series to Boston and off the field with their universally praise renovation of Fenway and in marketing the team and leveraging the brand in every way possible.

On the field the current era which began with the Henry, Werner, Lucchino group ending almost seven decades of mostly myopic Yawkee stewardship in 2002.  Unquestionably this has been the longest run of sustained success in the history of the franchise.   Every other great Red Sox run of success has ended after a brief period either due to the teams failure to replace aging stars (1903-4, 1946-50, 1986-1991) or has been systematically dismantled due to penuriousness and incompetence (1912-1918, 1975-1979).  This team has never been this consistently successful in its history.  Even this year the team is currently 5.5 out of the Wild Card, and 7 behind the Yankees.  They are still arguably the 3rd best team in baseball.  If they miss the playoffs that is more a reflection of imbalanced divisions, leagues, and schedules.Going into this year the postseason had started to feel like a birthright given that they had only missed the playoffs once in the last seven years.  After a while a 162 game regular season can feel irrelevant if the post-season is an inevitability.  Many fans have a wait until August or October attitude at this point.  The only real incentive to watch over the past few years was to see if we could finish ahead of the Yankees in the Division.  That prospect isn't exactly going to move the needle at this point.

Inevitably such prolonged success throughout the history of the game has lead to apathy from fans.  When fans expect their team to contend every year they become content and take success for granted, call it the "Braves Phenomenon."  Yes Boston is an infinitely better sports town than Atlanta but the history of the game is littered with other examples.  If you go all the way back to the 1890's one of the earliest dynasties in the history of the game were the old Baltimore Orioles of the National League.   They won 4 Pennants and along with the Boston Braves dominated the decade.  By the end of the decade their attendance had fallen to the point that the team effectively merged with the Brooklyn Dodgers with all of their stars going north. and by 1899 the team ceased to exist.  The Red Sox will never stoop to that level, and Boston fans will never be the apathetic bandwagon jumpers that Atlanta fans are, but the fever pitch (bad pun, worse movie) of 2003-8 is likely a thing of the past.

The team’s successes off the field have also sewn the seeds of the current malaise.  From 2002 to the present the new owners have renovated Fenway every off-season and have modernized and transformed the lyric little bandbox.  In contrast the only changes by the Yawkee regime after rebuilding the park in the 1930's were getting rid of the ads on the Monster in 1947 (after Ted Williams complained they distracted him at the plate), the video board in CF in the mid 1970's (designed by my grandfather), and the horribly ill-conceived 600 club in 1989 which altered wind patterns and knocked down flyballs to center.  All throughout the naughties if you went to a game in April the first question everyone asked was "how does the park look" or some variation thereof.  Now that the renovations are by and large complete it feels like the end of December when you have already received your Christmas gifts and are bored of all you new toys.

Celebrities are often advised to take "public vacations" where they do not release new movies or albums for a time so they are not overexposed and the public does not tire of them.  In the last few years the Red Sox in their marketing of the team have definitely overexposed themselves.  This might bring the casual fans and Pink Hats to the park which is the goal of every sport property in the world; reach out to casual fans and try to make them real fans.  Conversely this has alienated the hardcore fans.  Murph and Sully are not leaving their triple decker in February to hold a sign on Truck Day, or watch Johnny Damon get a shave.  Two days a week NESN has a 90 minute pregame show in addition to the 60 minute post-game show.  That is 2:30 of shoulder programming, almost as long as the game!  Every Opening Day is a theatrical production, and they club feels the need to out do themselves every year.  I am sure most of the people who read this blog would just assume they line up on the baselines, announce the players, and play a baseball game.  Where the team is failing is turning the casual fans and Pink Hats into real fans as anyone who has been to Fenway this year or listens to Toucher and Rich can attest.

If the Red Sox really want to address these issues most of them are fixable.  Get rid of the alternate jerseys and "Hanging Sox" hats that look like cheap knockoffs one would buy at a gas station.  Do the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, or Cardinals have this crap?  The team must also lower the ticket prices.  This might be inevitable anyway.  Demand is already softening and if the sellout streak does not end this year is surely will next April.  Families and blue collar fans are tapped out after filling the park at these astronomical prices for so long.  The only people who can afford tickets, especially in a recession, are young childless singles with disposable income who are essentially your Pink Hats; people who get tickets from work that may or may not actually care about the game; and rich people who stare at you when you try and heckle an opponent, yell, or try and/or start a chant.  These are not the kind of people who typical add to the atmosphere at the park.  This also makes your product less exciting and appealing on TV. 

They can also bring Neil Diamond back for Opening Day next year and have a sniper shoot him in the face.  I seriously think most of the Pink Hats come to Fenway just to sing "Sweet Caroline."  Instead of a $90 ticket, just download it for $0.99 and leave us alone! Even if we don't shoot Neil and let decades of alcohol abuse run its course, they have to pull the plug.  Hell they could play Nickelback in the middle of the 8th and I would take it at this point.  Tell Jerry Remy to stop pimping his website, restaurant, RI massage parlor, or anybody else who gives him a check. 

After doing so much to reach out to casual fans they need to get back to basics and gear their game presentation and TV broadcasts more to the real fans.   The Red Sox may never achieve the levels of interest of the past few years unless the team really bottoms out on the field for a prolonged period and the old angst comes back.  At the end of the day just get back to basics and don't take the core fans for granted.

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wow this actually seems really true.

at first i thought not, but you convinced me

by revived0103 on Jul 31, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post

I agree with a lot of this.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree especially with the notion of overexposure.

The team may want to rein in their marketing and pull back a bit. Declining interest is inevitable when you put out too much for too long. More hardcore fans aren’t going to stop going to games because of Neil Diamond or cheesy souvenirs.

What’s different this year is that the team is reeling from an epic string of injuries. For weeks we’ve seen spring-training lineups, mediocre offense, and a horrendous bullpen, which is extraordinarily disheartening. When the Sox brand is built around successful play and engaging personalities (like Pedroia, Beckett) the absence of both puts a real damper on the fanbase.

Adrian Beltre is why we can't have healthy outfielders.

by 0157H7 on Jul 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Good post, but

I think all the concern about a decline in interest is a little bit overblown. For last night’s game, the line at 6:50 for day-of-game tickets stretched from the LF entrance all the way to the bleacher bar, so the entire length of the monster. People were dying to get inside, and this is to see two third place teams.

There is some decline, but I think the team will bounce back. If we actually try to put a good team on the field next year, the fans will be back. Between the deep playoff runs of the bruins and celtics, and now the picture-perfect weather each day after 2 years of miserable rain, people need some time away. But as long as Fenway is packed to the gills, the interest is there.

Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

The 'Yawn' Sox have been brutally boring this season.

It’s all an illusion.
From pink hats to alternative jerseys, the organization has practically become disney land. John Henry and Co have only one concern…filling those seats by any means necessary – even if it means with ‘fans’ in pink hats just looking to get drunk and sink Sweet Caroline!
 For the real fans who know better, it has been nothing but fluff. The Yankees dont need these gimmacks because they are too busy spending money on championship teams.
Here’s a question, how many people who have put the Red Sox on tv this season have done so for background noise?
This team has been boring this summer. There are no personalities, no excitement. We already have the Paw Sox, we should rename the pro team the ‘Yawn Sox’

by thenation on Aug 2, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Aug 2, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Got some time on our hands do we?

by thenation on Aug 3, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I gotta completely disagree with you

except on the point that they’re trying to fill the seats. Sure, that’s their job, that’s what they need to do- that is, in fact, how they make the money to spend on a solid team. It certainly doesn’t preclude them from fielding a good team and, with the second highest payroll in baseball, certainly hasn’t prevented them from spending on it. What is wrong with this? What is wrong with people who just want to go to the game and have a good time? It’s a sport, it’s entertainment, that’s what it’s all about. I’m not even sure what you’re suggesting… would you recommend that Henry place a mandate that all fans, to enter Fenway, must answer a simple trivia test about the Red Sox?

I don’t know what you’re looking for. I just can’t disagree more about the team being exciting. They’ve had pitfalls all over the place- unexpected injuries galore. But it seems like for each one, a new player steps up and performs. I think it’s more exciting. It’s living on the edge of a wire, they could collapse out of the race any time, but they’ve hung in there so far, and they’ve still got a chance of pulling it off. no personality? No excitement? This is the most exciting Red Sox team I’ve seen in years. I’m not really even sure what team personality is, but I know that Youk, Papi, Pedroia, and Martinez are certainly all giant personalities on the team.

I mean, if you’re bored, then stop watching. Me and the fans in pink hats will be having fun watching baseball and rooting for these Sox to win every night…

by wolf9309 on Aug 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is an important correlation between ticket prizes and the entertainment value.

While injuries have been an issue, management hasnt replaced the injured by bringing in anyone worth watching. Sure I can turn off the tv if Im bored with this team, but what about everyone in the ball park?
The team doesn’t offer refunds.

by thenation on Aug 3, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nava, McDonald, Kalish, Doubront, Lowrie

none of these guys have been worth watching? You’ve missed some great games because you’ve been using them as background noise.

by wolf9309 on Aug 4, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW Jason,

Regardless of whether or not you agree with my comments (above), I think your post was one of the best I have ever read on this site! Its sincere, honest, passionate and (most of all) very true.

by thenation on Aug 2, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I wanted to like this post

because I read comments before I made it all the way through. I didn’t. I think you sound bitter about completely irrelevant things. Why do you care if they make hats with hanging sox logos (personally I think they look stupid, but they don’t offend me) and alternative jerseys? That shouldn’t affect your game experience at all. It just (to me) sounds like you want to have a false sense of sueriority about your fandom than other people. Why are you a better fan? If they want to buy things like that, why shouldn’t they be made available? Why would things like that possibly drive you away?

I do agree about the ticket prices, they’re a lot. Although they aren’t crazy out of line for teams with a similar payroll- and we do want the sox to keep spending money, right? The tickets do become much more expensive because of the sellout streak, because a lot of times the only way to get good seats is through scalpers- but that’s not relevant to face value. I do know that I can get a great seat for $50 pretty much anytime I want

by wolf9309 on Aug 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

It sounds like this post really hit a nerve with you.

The post apparently describes you to a tee and you seem even more insulted that everyone agrees with the post.

by thenation on Aug 3, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the record mate

I am a diehard red sox fan. I live and die with the team. I watch every game on TV or at the game. If neither is possible, I listen to the radio. If I can’t do any of those, I DVR it and don’t go near the internet until I can watch it. I’m a statistic freak. I love all the details and minutiae. I’m also not just a Red Sox fan, I’m really just a huge baseball fan. My other favorite team is the Giants. I’m a born and bred new englander and I’ve always loved the sox my entire life. There is no aspect of this post that describes me in any way, shape, or form, I just fail to see why it should distubr you so much that other people want to be at the game to have fun. Also, for the record, if you read the replies, not everyone agreed with the post full-on.

by wolf9309 on Aug 4, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

if you read the replies, not everyone agreed with the post full-on.

I’m in this category. I said it was a good post, and I feel it is. I think there is much merit to the dip in interest following a sustained high period and potential over-exposure. I don’t have near the problem with the so-called “pink hats” that others on this site do. Kids like the Sox for certain reasons, ladies like the Sox for certain reasons, and functional alcoholic Nova Scotians like the Sox for certain reasons.

I have a much larger problem with the thug-wannabes that wear some bullshit embossed B hat twisted to the side with the bill not bent and that shiny sticker still on the bottom. That’s not fandom, that’s just image.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Aug 4, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can appreciate that 'wolf9309'

We’ll just have to agree to disagree about the ‘pink hat’ topic.
However, while this team has managed to keep you interested, most of the city has tuned them out. Facts are facts. Both television and radio ratings have fallen drastically, the lowest in years. Judging by the ratings alone, many people dont feel this team is worthy of their attention this season.
You have stated that “This is the most exciting Red Sox team I’ve seen in years.” What? How much beer do you have when you go to a game?
I dont question your loyalty, but to question your expectations of the team, especially if you continue putting your money into their pockets. Hey, if you have money to burn and time to waste watching a team that both ownership and the GM has not cared about at all this season, that’s your choice.

by thenation on Aug 4, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd answer you're question if you asked one

but instead you’re just trying to get in a personal insulting contest with me, and i’m not really in for that. All I’ll say is I’m in it for the baseball, and I think this has been an exciting team to watch all year- exciting doesn’t always mean they win every day, but it means that they constantly have me on the edge of my seat.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Back that up in some way.

by wolf9309 on Aug 5, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

This season is just to weird to classify one way or the other

To a large part of the fan base (the ones who don’t spend their days perusing Sox blogs) this season is a disappointment, and not worth watching. The players they know and want to see, Pedrioa, Ellsbury, Beckett etc haven’t been around so the game gets tuned out, not because of the hanging Sox logo or Neil Diamond.

I however have found this to be an incredibly exciting season, ultimately yes a let down but if I were home in NESN land, I’d be watching every game from start to finish still. The compelling story of Daniel Nava and his tremendous ML success so far, Darnell McDonald coming in and being a very adequate backup, Ryan Kalish making his impressive debut with the team, Jed Lowrie’s return, Pedrioa and his first half Laser Show, Tek not being a worthless pile of crap and maybe most importantly for this team, Clay Buchholz becoming that pitcher that Theo Epstein always knew he could become.

These story lines don’t interest a lot, the average fan will not care who the hell Darnell McDonald it or who this Nava guy and why isn’t Ellsbury playing? They get lost, the good fans though like wolf, they latch onto these ones and even if we aren’t going to win anything, we can take solace that this year we got some good stories along the way, our organizational depth was tested like few years I can remember, and hell, we stayed in it as long as we could despite the circumstances.

The post was well thought out and all but instead of blaming the real reason you cited over exposure, the real reason is simple and can be summed up in a simple phrase:

Losing, loses bandwagon fans and most teams have a ton of bandwagon fans.

Simple as that. Every team has them. True or false, you saw more Phillies hats than ever after 08 and more Yankees hats after 09. The ownership isn’t doing their job if they aren’t trying to fill the seats in anyway possible. If Neil Diamond fills seats, play Neil Diamond, doesn’t bother me. If people want to buy the hanging sox hat, kaching! All the power to ownership for finding some revenue during a tough economic time. If it raises expectations, fine, this team is owned by a group that always has high expectations, they want to win the world series every year and field a team that is capable every year, why should the fans believe any different?

A large part of any fanbase is made up of bandwagon fans drawn in by success and the brand and thus when the brand isn’t doing as well they leave, right now, the average fan can’t find reason to watch, they’ll be back. I could care less about a sell out streak anyway, as long as the Sox put up a fight I’ll watch.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you still at the 'edge of your seat' with excitement?

Im not entertained by these over payed players not producing at they should. Lackey, Beckett and Pap have all sucked this year, This is true and not due to injuries.
Believe it or not, we are on the same side. We both love the Red Sox. I am just extremely disappointed with key players not doing their jobs.
This is a bad year for Papelbon. Is this a long term trend? I dunno.
Right now his saving % is in the low 80’s.
The Sox spent money for players who have turned out to be over rated.
Jacob Elsbury is a joke. He gets injured every time he hits the ground. The Sox are stuck with him. He must be made out of paper.
What is most unfortunate is that this team could actually be a playoff team if certain players do their job – but thats just not the case.
A lot of Sox fans expect more from their beloved team, maybe you should as well.

by thenation on Aug 15, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I'm still excited

How great of a story would it be if we came back and made the playoffs? The Sox, once again the underdog team, which is where they’ve excelled over the years.

I don’t think Jacoby is weak. He broke four ribs, and the injury was mishandled. He is out for the season because he broke another rib. He was cleared to play but that doesn’t mean he was ever 100%. I look forward to seeing him come back next year and tearing up the basepaths. I love his presence.

Beckett was playing with SOME issue, whether it was an injury or lack of conditioning, who knows, but I don’t think he’s been his normal self. That should change.

Papelbon just needs to mix things up with his pitches. He’s been figured out by many teams who have seen lots of him. He still has dynamite stuff.

Lackey is turning it around. Dice is turning it around. And just ignore Lester’s last start. The definition of a fluke if I’ve ever saw one, against a very potent and capable Jays lineup.

I daresay if we could fix our bullpen issues, we’d be winning a lot more games. Credit to Atchison though, I don’t think he’s been terrible this season considering.

Is this team still exciting? You bet your ass it is.

David Ortiz 2010: 120 RBIs, 35+ HRs. Jason who?

by BHeebs on Aug 24, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point about the hats and alternate uniforms is that the clubs in MLB that matter and have tradition like the Cardinals, Yankees, Dodgers don’t have them. They do not effect my game experience, I just see ti as an unnecessary break from tradition to sell extra merchandise. By the way I love the road uniforms. I wish they would take the names off of them. Every year on Jackie Robinson Day I am reminded that they definately retain more of the classic look without the names.

As far as ticket prices go from a business standpoint they are doing the correct thing charging as much as possible. This is the right course baseball wise as they can reinvest the money in the team. My point was that the only people who can afford tickets year after year are the groups of people who I mentioned in the post, which has caused the atmosphere at Fenway to suffer.

by Jason Chalifour on Aug 13, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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