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Terry Francona Allows Hideki Okajima To Blow Another Game

This one is hard to take. All the much more for what it might mean for our year.

Leading 2-1 in the seventh inning, Terry Francona brought in Daniel Bard. There was some hope that this was a sign that Francona had managed to finally look beyond traditional bullpen roles and would use Bard and Papelbon to deal with the stronger part of the lineup, letting Atchison or someone else pitch to the weak end of the lineup in the ninth inning.

It was not to be. Instead, after leaving Bard in to give up a bloop single to start the eighth, Francona inexplicably turned to Hideki Okajima. That's right, 5.34 ERA Hideki Okajima. The results were absolutely predictable. Justin Smoak singled on the first pitch he saw, then Okajima hesitated on a sacrifice bunt allowing Casey Kotchman to reach. A Michael Saunders single put the Mariners up 3-2 before Okajima failed to make a play on yet another sacrifice bunt. By the time all was said and done, Okajima had allowed five hits, an inherited run, and two of his own to leave the score at 4-2. Only a quick 3-2 double play kept the inning so short.

Should the Red Sox have scored more? Yes. Should they have more options in the pen? Also yes. But this was absolutely a failure of management--the kind we have seen far too often this year. Francona had Atchison warming up to go into the sixth, but instead of using the more reliable reliever, he turned to one of the biggest gas cans on the team. Terry Francona managed the Red Sox out of the game, and with the Sox down five just six days before the deadline, perhaps out of the season.

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Wow. THAT was fast.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

well, it was no secret the game was over

he had lots of time actually

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by gizmosandy on Jul 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd don't know if I'm glad that I'm at work so I couldn't watch the game.

Or sad that I’m at work so I can’t drink to kill this pain.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping the MFY make a huge mistake and deal for Oswalt

since Haren’s gone.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's sell off

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by gizmosandy on Jul 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I think one thing is for sure knowing Theo

he is NOT going to trade prospects to improve this particular Red Sox team, especially for relief help.

In my mind, that makes us sellers.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 25, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

No way I call us sellers

Until our starters all get back from the DL.

We’re only 4 GB of the Wild Card. Maybe 5 now. We’ve got plenty of time to make that ground.

I’ll agree that Theo likely wouldn’t burn a lot of prospects to bolster the team, either, though.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

5

And if we don’t bolster the pen, we’re screwed either way. There’s no middle ground here, so if this team isn’t worth buying for, we have to sell.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not illogical to stand-pat

and hope for a TB collapse. We get VMart, Pedroia, and Ellsbury back, expand the rosters, and maybe find a way to add one arm on the cheap?

5 games is in no way insurmountable.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

NONE OF THOSE GUYS PITCH OUT OF THE PEN

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by gizmosandy on Jul 25, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm aware of that.

But some of the people in the expanded roster would pitch out of the pen, as would the hopeful “one arm on the cheap”.

And if we had an offense capable of putting up 5 runs, we’d be complaining about how Oki almost blew it.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could it with some of the young arms from the PawSox?

Get to the postseason. Worry about it then.

Anything can happen in the postseason.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it couldn't.

We need legitimate major league quality relievers to pitch the back end of games. Bowden, Manuel, and Doubront are the kind you rely on during the regular season when Bard has pitched too often, or someone leaves after five. They cannot realistically do much to help this team in October.

And I disagree that anything can happen in the postseason. Teams don’t win with one good reliever. They don’t. Trudging pointlessly to our doom, whether it come in September or October, while wasting the value of Victor and Beltre would be incredibly stupid.

We are buyers or sellers. Wait and see will not work, and buying when back five or six in the wild card would be putting a lot of eggs in one very fragile basket. Make your gamble when you’re on even ground, not when you’re looking up.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't say I 100% agree.

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t entirely agree. I think it is a mistake to judge this team based on what is currently on the field. The firepower (both offensively AND defensively) coming back from the DL is enough to make this team better. MUCH, MUCH BETTER.

And I’ve been clamoring for bullpen help for months. So see about getting another arm. But holding a fire sale when half the merchandise hasn’t reached the store yet is reactionary and premature.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No matter what we do it will be reactionary or stupid.

We are being forced into a decision by the trade deadline, because standing pat just won’t get it done. Even with the additions of Pedroia and Ellsbury defensively, our bullpen is full of guys who walk people and give up home runs.

But if holding a fire sale before half the merchandise reaches the shelf is a poor decision, so is reinvesting in a business that’s already well behind the competition based on the idea that the new merch. is going to close the gap. Sometimes, it’s better to just cut your losses.

That analogy has now been taken to its limits. It’s over.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

But wait! There's more!

OK. No, there’s not.

I agree that sometimes it’s better to cut your losses. I don’t think that we’re there yet, and I would rather sway to the side of optimism.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bullpen solution is easy. DFA Oki and RamRam

Bring up Bowden and Richardson and live with it. If you get really agreesive, bring up Doubrount instead of Richardson. But part of it is that you then realize that your 3rd best guy is Bowden or Atchison. That’s scary, but it’s a bullpen…the only thing you know about bullpens is that you know nothing.

The problem, the absolute effing problem, is that we’re hung up on the brand names of Oki and RamRam. They aren’t good anymore, let them walk and don’t look back.

by cds7c on Jul 25, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So one year makes RamRam bad eh? The Sox gave Delcarmen another chance? And he blows it AGAIN. Who gave up 13 runs (12 earned) his last 3 innings? Delcarmen has blown 5 games, 7+ if you count the offense returning the favor. most of them came before his meltdown too.

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make sense to me

If the best plan is to stand pat, you sell anyway — dump Okajima and Ramirez, for instance, and replace them with Bowden and Manuel. Then trade Lowell for whatever prospect Detroit is willing to give up. Finally, dump Hermida, Patterson, and Hall and replace them with Nava and a couple corpses.

That way, you dump salary and crappy players, let the young guys who don’t suck get some playing time, and start figuring out next year if what we have doesn’t end up being good enough to get to the playoffs this year.

by RSNexile on Jul 25, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No MDC

Park him on the DL for the rest of the season. He’ll come back on fire in April — trade him then before his inevitable mid-summer crapfest.

by RSNexile on Jul 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Dan Haren got traded to the Angels for Joe Saunders and 2 prospects
just went on yahoo just saying

Anyways…
I rather trade him now before his ERA goes over 9 because I believe he already gave up over 9 runs in his last 3 innings.

Ramon Ramirez has only had one bad year, and it’s this year. Oh and it’s better than Okajima’s and Delcarmen’s. His BAA him is like 250ish getting lower. Hasn’t blown more than 4 games unless those two have blown like 5+ each.

by n0va on Jul 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assumed that by "sell"

He meant “sell players with anything even remotely resembling value”. None of the players you mention fit that bill.

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Rays ST Holder

I should say this: the Rays are a 500 team. They have played that way since the first month. They were 30-10 after 40 games. They are 21 games over 500 right now. The pitching has seriously regressed, as Shields, Garza, and Davis are struggling. The offense sports a number of sub 250 hitters (Upton, Pena, Bartlett, Joyce/Aybar).

What the Rays do have is one hell of a bullpen, and an offense that seems better than the sum of its parts.

I am a Rays STH and a Sox fan, and I do think the Rays can be caught. Whether they will be with the RS pen is another question.

by flasoxfan on Jul 25, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We couldn't sweep a Little League team at this point

We’d be up by three runs in the last game and Tito would put Cash, Oki, Patterson and Hermida in. Two walks, two OF errors, three PBs and a single later, and we’re in extras.

On the other hand, it is the Angels…

Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 25, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't argue with your logic …

…but I’m not sure what place logic has in this debate, considering we just attempted to use Hideki “Master of the Back-to-Back Single” Okajima to sew up a close game.

Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This year's team? Not if we keep playing like this

But if a player he really covets becomes available and is under control for multiple years, yeah, he might. Hell, Angels just did that. Don’t see them in the playoffs and they just made a trade for Haren today.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 25, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm not going to say we're done

beacuse we play the Rays head-to-head eight more times with a healthy lineup.
The issue is the bullpen, and that was the issue going into the season.
If a team is having the same issue around the trade dealine as it did in spring training, that shows a GM who is not doing his job.
Oh, and why did Okajima come in? Why not leave in Bard?

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

If a team is having the same issue around the trade dealine as it did in spring training, that shows a GM who is not doing his job.

No

That shows a GM who’s going to do more than just take a cursory look at a situation before acting.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Lookout Landing just banned me for being unable to post a decent comment.
I dont know how to react.

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

no one saw it coming?

its weird that we are complaining about this now… when the season started the Red Sox supposedly were going to address defense and run prevention… so far, Hall, Scutaro, Beltre and whoever is playing in the outfields are not exactly doing the job defensively… Then the run prevention also comes from the bullpen and since last season we saw glimpses of a shaky Papelbon along with DelCarmen and Ramirez usual “1 good game, 3 bad games, 3 awful ones” routine… Atchinson wasn’t helping at the beginning but he has improved… Bard has been the best but now he is so overworked he might not last healthy (knock-on-wood) the rest of the year… and the starters well… Buchholz and Lester started really slow then improved and then the DL came for Buch… Lackey and Dice-K throw 100+ after 5 innings every game so that forces Francona to use the bullpen… Manuel, Doubront and Bowden looked very nervous in their appearances with the MLB club… true, a lot of injuries… but really, everyone actually thought that THIS bullpen was going to be awesome? bad signs were there…

by cdvatx on Jul 25, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

not doing their job defensively?

Beltre 12.5 UZR/150
Scutaro 5.3 UZR/150

Thats an elite and a good defender in my book!

by German Red Sox Fan on Jul 26, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see

Lackey nearly pitches a no hitter, and we have to go extra-innings to win. Lester nearly pitches a perfect game, and is betrayed by an error. Dike-K goes 6 and gives up one run, and the bullpen betrays us.

Could, maybe should, have swept this series.

by flasoxfan on Jul 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Two errors in the 8th inning when Delcarmen and Papelbon went in. One by Bill Hall and another by Marco Scutaro. Without those errors, the Sox would not have went into extra innings.

As for Lester, yeah Patterson screwed that one up but Lester still gave up a home run to break up the no hitter/shut out.

The game today, yeah, Okajima’s doing. No surprise.

by n0va on Jul 25, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

two bans in one night for not doing anything

wow

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Lookout Landing banned me

for not being able to post a decent comment, whatever that means.
Banned from Halos Heaven for god knows what

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

:o I can understand why you would get banned from the Mariners site but not the Angels.

by n0va on Jul 25, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I didn’t post anything wrong at LL either!

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's two bans you've gotten now for "Bringing down the level of conversation"

Halo’s Heaven is just Rev seeing you get banned on the site of the last opponent and elsewhere and taking you out preemptively.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can see my bans

from other blogs, and Rev can too?
wow , that’s pretty cool actully.
Anyways, i don’t see that I did anything wrong.
Am I a bad poster?

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you need to change your name ;).

by n0va on Jul 25, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have this name

for my website, only reason behind it

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read what you wrote there.

So I don’t know.

Brandon C. is the only guy who’s said anything concrete to you, ie: “Backing up your opinions”

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

I actully get along good with Brandon, he’s helped me with my blog a ton.
Am i considered a bad poster around SBN though? or here at OTM?
If so, i had no idea

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I figured all the mods must talk to each other about stuff.
That’s interesting

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there actually is an E-Mail list thing.

But not about that stuff. Mostly about .com sport-wide series/features, ideas, and tech issues.

I feel like I’m revealing secret information I shouldn’t be here, though I really very much doubt that’s the case. . .

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 25, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, i've always been interested in that stuff

as a soon-to be (hopefully) SBN blogger.
So, you really can see all the commenters bans and stuff? what else can you see about commenters?

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't read too much into what

other fanbases think about you over the Internet.

by AJBlue7 on Jul 25, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I registered on OTM a while back ago but I never posted but like under 10 messages back then. I haven’t had a forum to talk on lately so I started posting here.

I haven’t had a problem with how you post so it’s all good. Even though I don’t go on any other SBN.

OTM isn’t very lively though…as I would have expected when I came here.

by n0va on Jul 25, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, cool

I honestly signed up to file a complaint about no lacrosse blogs. I ended up appliying for the job.
After that I figured I;d hang out at the Bruins blog once of a while, but I branched out pretty fast

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only skimmed some of your posts

on Lookout Landing and I have absolutely no idea why you were banned. If anything they were trolling you, for spelling of all things.

by AJBlue7 on Jul 25, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

I have no idea what i did

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

goodnight 2010.

hello 2011.

Theo. do something. shit, fire francona if you have to, he’s a fucking idiot as well.

by Drew Palmer on Jul 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Shoot out the lights

and Fire Theo.

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by Sean O on Jul 25, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ha ha ha...

red’d.

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by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

OVERREACT!

how well did everyone reasonably expect this team to do with Pedroia and Martinez both on the DL? They’ll be back soon and then we’ll see if it’s too late to close the gap. But with those guys coming off the DL and over two months left of baseball, it’s not over yet.

by wolf9309 on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

Though i wouldn’t exactly cry a river if Theo was fired

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are many bad potential GM's out there

Not sure why’d you wouldn’t cry a river over losing one of the good ones.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 26, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'd rather not have a GM that gets us a WS title every 3 years?

OK, then.

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by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's an ownership group that spends $120-175m

Not the braindead doofus signing Lowell and Lackey.

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by Sean O on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What has Theo really done that is so great, honestly?

Dan Duequette mostly put that 2003 team together.
Theo has made more bad desicions than good. Signing Lugo, Renteria, Drew, extending Beckett, trading Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena, Gagne trade….
If he was the GM of lets say, the twins, he’d be fired by now beacuse they could not afford the wasted contracts.

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

first

If he was the GM of the Twins, he wouldn’t have taken all of those risks, because he would have to operate differently under a different budget. The Red Sox don’t have a $170 million budget because Theo is the GM, Theo operates the way he does because they have a $170 million budget.

Off the top of my head- Ortiz, Drew (yeah I’m counting him on my list), letting Pedro walk at the right time, trading Nomar, Millar (cuz he was fun even if not great), Schilling, drafting Ellsbury, Pedroia, Buchholz, Papelbon, Bard, getting Bay’s production in place of Manny’s stubborness, Wagner, Beltre. I mean, that’s just a few that stick out in my head at the moment.

by wolf9309 on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ortiz

was Duequette

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ortiz was Theo

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by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, really?

I thought Duequette signed him.
nevermind

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 26, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, ok

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 26, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the drafting

is mostly Mike Hazen

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was appointed by Epstein

And Epstein is pretty involved in the drafting side of things anyway.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 26, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trading Lester, not trading Buchholz, trading for Curt Schilling, trading for Victor Martinez

I mean, Christ, we’re on pace for a 90 win season despite unbelievable injuries and we’re saying this is a fireable offense for the GM?

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 26, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The talk last year of trading Buchholz pissed me off :/. Literally everyone was against me lol. I wanted him to stay.

Victor Martinez was a steal 8). For Masterson, that was a great day for me.

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even I wanted to deal him

Though my feelings on the subject were “Probably a bad idea, but I’m so fucking tired of this situation.”

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 26, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS.

Come on, now.

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by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theo sucks

So yes, getting anyone not named Bavasi will be a massive improvement.

I can’t imagine we’ll find someone else dumb enough to sign Lugo/Lackey and extend Lowell’s corpse.

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by Sean O on Jul 26, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, here we go

Angels: Brian Fuentes, Gary Matthews Jr.
Astros: Carlos Lee, Brandon Lyon
Athletics: Eric Chavez
Blue Jays: Holding onto Roy Halladay, Vernon Wells, Alex Rios
Braves: Lowe, McLouth, Teixeira trade
Brewers: Bill Hall, Randy Wolf, Suppan
Cardinals: Kyle Lohse, almost certainly Matt Holliday
Cubs: Carlos Zambrano, Kosuke Fukudome,
Diamondbacks: Practically every trade that’s been made in the last year,
Dodgers: Juan Pierre, Jason Schmidt

You get the idea. I’m not even particularly familiar with these teams. The fact is a lot of GMs make bad deals. Theo’s are at least for the most part within reason, and far outweighed by the good.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Jul 26, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

So, by definition, you’re saying we’re winning the WS this year?

Not happening. Theo fielded a team which included ONE GOOD PEN ARM. Now he’s watching, while that same team is hitting the shitter, and has done NOTHING to turn it around.

Theo WAS a good GM. I’m not buying it anymore.

by RockEmSoxEm on Jul 26, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait, really?

We have no inside information indicating what exactly they’re doing to address this situation. Instead of going out and getting a big name reliever or trading valuable prospects for one, Theo decided he wanted to see if he couldn’t get a little bit of value from various different relievers. It didn’t work, clearly, but don’t pretend like he’s just sitting on a beach somewhere drinking margarita’s all day while the team is fading. You’re better than that.

I can pretty much guarantee Theo is making calls and trying to get something done. The fact that the asking prices for available relievers right now is probably high is, I would guess, stopping him from making a trade. And for whatever reason they don’t feel Bowden or Manuel are quite ready for the full-time job yet, but they may be forced into that role soon enough.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup exactly

you can’t just expect Theo to pay whatever to get some reliever there immediately… if the asking prices are ridiculous, you wouldn’t want him to ship off say, Kelly or Kalish for some bullpen arm would you? I’m pretty confident that a move will be made before the deadline.

by wolf9309 on Jul 26, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look, we had a declining bullpen going into the season

We knew this, Theo knew this, most people seemed to know this. He tried to prop it up with guys like Atchison and Schoenweiss and Nelson and well, they were mostly bad. But Atchison has been pretty average right, he wasn’t a mistake. So 1 point for Theo there. The rest, yeah, bad. I get it, Theo’s track record for the bullpen isn’t stellar, doesn’t make him suddenly a bad GM. You traded some scrubs for Billy Wagner once, probably won’t happen again.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 26, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

What can you do? All your starters are going on the DL and the relievers that held the Sox last year are doing poorly. Ramirez is having his first bad year, Okajima is getting worse and worse every year, Delcarmen is looking worse than he did last year. Papelbon didn’t make the All-star team for the first time.

The fact is, the bullpen isn’t up to expectations. Sure, they weren’t projected as one of the best pens this year but it wasn’t expected to be this bad either.

Trade deadline isn’t over yet.

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, not "by definition".

But that’s been the pattern, hasn’t it?

Theo is a bad GM now because he can’t magically pull pitchers out of his arse? C’mon. The bullpen was an issue going in, for sure. Is there anyone out there that he could have gotten but didn’t? Who would that be?

Paps, Oki, RamRam, MDC. All have been quite good to excellent at points as a member of the Red Sox. They all decided to crap out at the same time. If it was one of the four that was shitting the bed then it would be a simple DFA and find one arm. But it’s not entirely unreasonable for a GM to hope that some of the pieces already in place might be able to do their job.

You have to try to make do with what you’ve got.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brendan Donnelly

was DFA’ed. Sox should pick him up again.

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Is he the guy with the glasses and the steroids?

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donnelly doesn’t wear glasses, maybe you’re talking about Eric Gagne?

I’ve never posted a pic on here before so bare with me :D
Donnelly:

Eric Gagne:

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely not thinking of Gagne

There was someone who showed up in the Mitchell report who played for a brief time with the Sox, but really spent much of the time injured. I thought he wore the goggles, but maybe not.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. This guy:

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah just looked on Wiki :P. Was almost a decade ago so I can’t remember much about him. He said he denied taking anavar.

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost a decade ago?? Try 2007.

I read the same thing on Wiki about him denying it.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t talking about him being accused a decade ago. I meant something along the lines of with his glasses at the time. He never worn glasses of my knowledge in Boston.

by n0va on Jul 26, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you meant he played with the Red Sox a decade ago.

I seem to remember the glasses…but I could be mistaken.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Jul 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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