No no-no, no?

by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT

So...I'm wondering something.

The other day, my least favourite pitcher and the bane of my existence, John "That Meathead" Lackey, to a no-hit bid into the 8th inning. That no-hit bid was subsequently broken up by Josh Bard (of all people).

But here's where I'm a little confused.

Articles the next day said that he had taken a "no-no" into the 8th. But....it's not really a no-no, is it? I mean, does "no-no" not stand for "no hits, no runs"?

There was a run that scored. Granted, it was an unearned run (I believe a walk, stolen-base, and eventual pass-ball), but it was a run nonetheless.

So, what's the deal? Is it wrong to call it a no-no if an unearned run is registered? Or does "no-no" actually mean, "no hits, no earned runs"? And if that's the case, the only way a pitcher can throw a no-hitter but not a no-no is if he manages to plate a run entirely on walks and beanballs? Why bother splitting the hairs there?

And once that's clarified, how do you feel about it?

I'll tell you how I feel about it once someone clears it up for me.

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it could also be if

a hitter is walked, steals second, steals third and gets sacrificed in. Or walks, steals second, and sacrificed to second and third. Or other unlikely combos of those things.

I never actually thought about the second “no” meaning anything. I thought it was just a stupid cutesy way to refer to a no-hitter.

by wolf9309 on Jul 25, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions

Hmmm....I hadn't thought of those other things.

So is it just a cutesy way of saying no-hitter, then?

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by Bloggy on Jul 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Was alway my impression as well...

Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 25, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions

That's what I thought, too.

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by alskor on Jul 27, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

yea i agree

i think no-no just sounds much better than “no”

by yankeepanda44 on Jul 27, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions

No-no was coined by Dock Ellis of the Pirates in 1970, after he had done LSD and then thrown a no-hitter.

As far as I know (and as he knew) it meant no-hitter. He was hysterical that day, and didn’t know he even had a game until an hour beforehand when his girlfriend asked him why he wasn’t at the park. He quickly did some LSD and got his ass over there, but he was crazy high. Just read this:

“I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the (catcher’s) glove, but I didn’t hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn’t. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. I started having a crazy idea in the fourth inning that Richard Nixon was the home plate umpire, and once I thought I was pitching a baseball to Jimi Hendrix, who to me was holding a guitar and swinging it over the plate. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn’t hit hard and never reached me.”[

But, about two-thirds of the way through the game, he realized he had a no-hitter. Too high to pronounce the word “no-hitter”, he said, “hey, I’ve got a no-no going.”

Yeah, that’s how it started. I believe it IS possible to throw a no-hitter and still give up a run, either earned or unearned. They can still lose if it’s a no-no, can’t they? Didn’t something like that happen to Jered Weaver (and the bullpen) with the Angels?

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The run the Dodgers scored was unearned.

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by BoSox415 on Jul 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions

well he didn't do LSD after he found out he had a game

he realized he had a game after he’d done a bunch of LSD.

by wolf9309 on Jul 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

TBH,

I’m unsure if he took LSD, then realized he had a game, or vice versa. But what I’m getting at is no no is just another term for no hitter, and a no hitter is just an outing where one team records no hits. They don’t necessarily have to win or lose.

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by BoSox415 on Jul 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

According to Ellis, he took it, then found out he was pitching.

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by Bloggy on Jul 28, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

That sounds right.

I can’t imagine why someone would take LSD knowing they’d be pitching in a couple hours.

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by BoSox415 on Jul 28, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, those who take LSD usually do so in a well rationalized way, so as to not interfere with their career….

But, yeah, such an epic achievement.

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by Lord Duggan on Jul 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I remember seeing a YouTube video on that whole story (I believe narrated by Ellis)

But didn’t know he was the source of the term no-no.

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by Bloggy on Jul 28, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting.

I’ve always known a no-no as no hits-no runs and a no hitter as just no-hits. For instance, when this was happening, I informed my dad that Lackey had lost the no-no bid but the no-hitter was still intact.

I think the answer to your question just depends on who you ask.

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by BHeebs on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions