Bowden optioned down to Pawtucket to make room for Beckett
by wolf9309 on Jul 23, 2010 7:33 PM EDT
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we ALL know our bullpen sucks. Almost all of it is terrible. We all know that when Beckett came up, someone would have to go to make room for him. The bullpen is getting bolstered with Wake, but he's not being used as a situational reliever, just as a long man/spot starter.
So you just drop your worst situational pitcher right? I mean, we're talking middle relievers, no big deal if you lose one who's having a bad year, right?
NO.
lets get rid of the one recent addition who has been giving the bullpen some hope. For #$%$# sake, we don't even want to win. It doesn't matter who's good, god knows we can't DFA someone bad when we have the option of sending somebody good down to Pawtucket.
So now there Delcarmen, Ramirez, and Okajima are sitting there in the bullpen just waiting till they can make the next #@%#ing blowout game close enough for Papelbon to blow it. Meanwhile, our ace relievers, Bowden and Manuel will be keeping the Pawsox and their awesome lineup a good chance to win it every night. Cuz what the heck, we're going for the gold! No rest until we have that International league Championship!
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You can all tell I'm happy.
I was actually looking forward to Beckett coming up, partly because I was playing this little game in my head of “which crappy reliever are we gonna ditch”
Whats the difference?
Bowden’s as bad as the rest of them
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Bowden as a reliever (and in general since he changed his mechanics) beg to differ
Admittedly, it’s a small sample size. But between Pawtucket and Boston in relief:
8.1 innings
0 ER
7 Ks
1 walk
4 hits
And he’d been dominant even as a starter for a while ever since he modified the mechanics. Don’t tell me that’s as bad as Ramirez, MDC, and Okajima’s race to give up the most runs in 2010 (for the record, MDC and Ramirez are tied with 21, Oki is just under with 19. he had a good chance to pull ahead last night but couldn’t quite pull it off). The other guys have proven they’re right around useless this year. He at least had promise.
Bowden is unproven
my mistake, he is actully prven to be awful.
and what change of mechanics? They look just as terrible as they always did.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch him last year and watch him this year
what do you mean they “look terrible”? he’s been hitting the zone effectively and keeping batters off-balance and fooled.
And how has he been proven to be awful? How? He’s a 23-year-old whos been learning and has changed his delivery for the better.
His delivery looks the same
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw a nice picture by picture comparison somewhere online
but can’t find it now. It’s subtle but been helping his command a lot (according to him). He said the beginning of the year he was struggling to master the difference but once he said he figured it out, he started pitching great.
In BBS' mind, a player's first few appearances in the majors always tell the story.
That’s why Bates is fantastic and Bowden is a bum.
Now you want someone who’s truly proven to be awful? How about Okajima or Manny Delcarmen?
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jul 23, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Okajima and MDC are terrible too and I would prefer Bowden to them.
All I’m saying is Bowden is not the saivior.
and dude, unnessacary shot at me. My opinion on Bowden goes back furter than this season. I saw his MLB debut, I was at the game, not impressed. if I’m not mistaken, most of OTM was not high on him a few months ago either.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You weren't impressed by his MLB debut?
Five innings of two run ball with three strikeouts to one walk isn’t enough for ya?
Anyways, not an unnecessary shot any more than yours was at Bowden. He’s not “proven to be awful” anymore than Clay was in 2008.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jul 24, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It's just my opinion
on what I have seen
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
People have to stop using the word opinion to excuse what they stated as fact.
“Proven to be awful” is simply false, because there is no way that 23 innings can prove anything.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and the PawSox aint winning nothing
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah...
Im following thr game at GameDay right now… God their lineup is terrible. Romero batting second?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I follow every PawSox game I can
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
on another site, saw a nice idea
Get Werth
Trade Beltre
Put Youk at 3B
Put VMart at 1B
Get a strong defensive Catcher
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sounds great
lets also trade Patterson for Pujols, and delcarmen for Jeter
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are trying to say that idea is far fetched
I’d say you have issues.
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Im not
Im saying it doesnt make sense
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you posted something stupid underneath my post
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh right
I think I posted that comment in the wrong thread
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I'm not sure a defensive catcher is the hugest need right now
And VMart’s bat just doesn’t play all that wonderfully at first. Plus I think that’s a huge defensive hit to both corners. Sounds like a downgrade to me.
Yeahbutwhat?!?!
Shouldn’t we have at least kept the fresh arm for tonight? I mean it’s not like our starter last night went 8 innings or anything. Well, actually it’s exactly like that, but still…
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 23, 2010 8:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What I think
Ramon Ramirez has only blown 4 games but his batting average against him isn’t that bad. Worse than his other years in the majors but at least it over .300 like Okajima’s and Delcarmen soon to come. MDC gave up 11 hits in his last 3 and 1/3rds innings.
As for Bowden, what the hell is going on? He didn’t even pitch yesterday and most likely, Beckett will have the “fresh off the DL fever”. So he probably won’t have a real quality start today (not saying that I want that to happen). Okajima most likely won’t pitch I hope to god MDC doesn’t. Robert Manuel was sent down, Richardson is sent down (happy with that I guess). Daniel Bard could probably pitch one inning. Atchison could chew a few innings same with Wakefield.
Actually now that I think about it, as long as there won’t be extra innings, there will be fresh arms in the pen Not the best arms but better than yesterdays.
This is what we need:
-Delcarmen gone
-Okajima gone
-Ramon Ramirez (I want him to stay but w\e gone or not, whichever you choose)
-Robert Manuel called up again
-Scott Atchison either stays or gets sent down BECAUSE Wakefield will be a long reliever and if Bowden gets called back up, he can chew innings too.
-Daniel Bard obviously stays
-Papelbon stays but if he struggles again you know back to back, then Daniel Bard and Paps switch positions.
wake isn't available till saturday
though surely this is what Atchison is rested for.
I agree with all the things you say there. I would rather see someone better replace Ramirez, but he is, to me, the least offensive of the 3. What they also need is someone who can get out lefties effectively.
Bill Hall can get out lefties effectively
o.O. He went against 1 righty, a switch hitter batting left and another lefty for a perfect ninth inning :D.
scratch that, now they're saying Wake is available tonight
Delcarmen still should’ve been the one to go…
Francona had no faith in Bowden, and then he gave up a walk off hit.
That’s the long-and-short of it I’d guess. Sure, Bowden was put into a shitty situation, but by God he gave up a hit!
Okajima and Delcarmen are useless. What is with this team’s obsession with not DFAing players? Who cares if you lose a negative?
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jul 23, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I know!
I understood at the beginning of the season not getting rid of them right away, but at this point, it’s a little ridiculous. Maybe there’s a little more to the story, like Bowden was really shaken up after giving up the walkoff and they thought he’d be mentally better if they gave him a break in the minors. I’ll hope for that.
Maybe, just maybe we're looking to trade one of the dirties...
…and will call Bowden back when we do. We don’t want to trade Bowden, who has actually shown something this year.
My guess is MDC could be gone by the end of the month, but I still believe Oki could have value for a team in the NL because of its unfamiliarity with his funky delivery.
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