Game 95: Red Sox (53-41) @ Athletics (47-47)
by Logan Lietz on Jul 21, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
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PrintBoston Red Sox at Oakland Athletics, Jul 21, 2010 3:35 PM EDT
So first they go on the West Coast and treat us to 10:00 PM games...
And now they play at 3:35 in the middle of the week?
Man, if I were a productive member of society at the moment, I'd be really annoyed.
Anyways, it's time for the rubber game, featuring a (hopefully) healthy Clay Buchholz!
The A's send the awesomely named Gio Gonzalez to the mound in opposition.
Also featuring: the return of Jed Lowrie! But Darnell McDonald is leading off. Ugh, Terry, why do you hate switching the lineup spots around so much?
The Rays and Yanks are both leading late. Not one we want to lose.
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Hm...Hope Logan wasn't working on that draft beyond the title.
’Cause if so, there might be some double posting happening shortly.
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yeah...about that
Started to do it, and am now experiencing computer issues so I never finished it.
Nothing like getting credit for something you didn’t do!
(Thanks for grabbin that Ben…)
Hi, I'm here for the laser show...?
When is Martinez coming back?
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
god, soon I hope
they said he’s playing catch and hitting from both sides of the plate. He just can’t catch consistently yet without too much pain. Hopefully will be soon.
Francona said he won’t need rehab- specifically he said it would be silly to send him back 3 time zones to get three at bats and then bring him back, so he’s at the very least hoping he’ll be activated at some point during this west coast trip. Sounds promising, but just depends on his level of pain.
Yeah, he's been intentionally walked up the wazoo
and even when he’s not, they won’t throw him strikes.
I hope he continues to be patient.
Gio can't control his curve
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
good sign.
Lets hope Buchholz is on.
IDK about you, but I’m ready for a complete team game for once.
I love Lowrie, but I hope he can build some value for a trade in the winter.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
Oh, hey, look, Drew Palmer of the irrational Marco Scutaro hatred club.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
why don't you like scoot?
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Jul 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He takes a ton of strikes, alot of first pitch meatballs.
And falls behind in counts constantly. I’m not a big stat whore, but night after night, something I’ve observed. He urks me.
He’s also not too great in the field.
Amongst other things, I really liked Alex Gonzalez. It’s not so much that Scoot is bad per se, I just don’t think he’s that good either.
i liked gonzo as well
but scoot has done a good job.
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Jul 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ben what is the word on tek and v mart ?
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Jul 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
tek, as expected, is behind on his recovery.
vmart should be back on the West coast road trip some time
well that is more good news :-)
it can’t happen fast enough for me!
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Jul 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I have zero confidence in DFAme Brown
hitting the ball, catching the ball, and calling the ball.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
A little late to the gathering
I see Lowrie was up, couldn’t even manage a crummy hit. Send him back down.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Scoot finally gets a day off but I'd really wanted to see Lowrie at 2nd.
I’d really have liked to see:
Scutaro – SS
Jed Lowrie – 2B
David Ortiz – DH
Kevin Youkilis – 1B
Adrian Beltre – 3B
J.D. Drew – RF
Mike Cameron – CF
Darnell McDonald – LF
Dusty Brown – C
MLB.tv's ads are idiotic.
How many women watch that care about celebrity fashions?
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
If we go back 7 games from the yankees.....
and 4.5 from the rays, we’re seriously in trouble.
Lets get a win, last night was pathetic.
With the standings and players this team has right now,
you really can’t blow a 4 run lead.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we won't have Wake starting again.
Knuckleball isn’t moving this year.
I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
the HR, the error, the balk
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Papi 3 for 24 since winning the HR derby
Will be interesting to see if he really falls off long term
I really don't want Hermida back.
Hopefully Dmac will play instead.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
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"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh... Rusty...
I still believe in a start or two he will be better.
I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
Vic needs to come back tomorrow. Seriously
Seattle pitching is damn good. And our offense is damn bad. This road trip is going to kill us man. Really sucks about all these injuries, its too bad.
This team is in a serious downward spiral
Unless the Rays and Yanks start playing teams that are actually legitimate, our schedule is a bit too brutal to make a run.
Want Theo to have a plan for next year
because at this rate, they will be out of it by the deadline.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its over man
Barring some miracle. There is no way we come out of this road trip with more than 4 wins.
And the Yanks and Rays are healthy, and playing bad competition. Sucks to admit, but its over.
The team might look so different next year
Vic, Beltre, Ortiz, and maybe Cam are up on the air
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in the air
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt either Victor or Beltre is back.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What do we do for catcher?
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Huge question.
I don’t get why we wouldn’t re-sign V-Mart.
It might be depending on length
I think it would only be worth catching him for 1 or maybe 2 more years.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Basically this
He’s not going to catch much longer is the consensus opinion, and he’s going to want 4 years I’d bet. Add that the Sox have really been pushing Iannetta, and I don’t see us bringing him back.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Last time Lester, now Buchholz?
Offence down, our two best pitchers are down.
Please someone say to me we can still have a hope.
There are still 67 games left, but I just want to see at least a hint of bright side of this team.
Nobody thought we were goin to sustain such above average play with all these injuries
we’ve come back down to earth. sucks to admit, but its the reality of the situation.
The Rays and Yanks are far too good for us to continue fielding AAA players and expect to win games and gain ground in the MLB.
Sucks, but that’s life. Next year it is.
But everyone is getting healthy now
So your point is irrelevant. We fall of in the last week, that’s not enough to knock us out. We closed 8+ games over the span of two months, we can’t do it again?
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Ben
Schedules are comparable for Rays and Yanks to finish the season as well.
Lot of time left, though it would certainly feel better if things are a bit closer
Youk got trampled on making an out at first.
Lowrie’s throw was a bit towards the outfield, Youk had to stretch basically right along the line, and Davis ran over him. He’s OK.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
While they don't have a huge lead this has been one painful game to watch, we arn't exactly playing great baseball.
Lets hope they pull it together.
Did you guys know that from July 4th to yesterday (13 games),
we scored more than 5 runs just one time?
1, 5, 2, 4, 14, 5, 3, 2, 4, 3, 2, 2, 4.
Wow, at least we haven’t been shut out.
Half a lineup coming to earth.
Victor will be back soon, Pedroia in another 10 days maybe.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And really, doesn't
Scutaro
Lowrie
Ortiz
Youk
Beltre
Martinez
Drew
Cameron
McDonald
Actually look a little legit?
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If that were an option
DMac would not be hitting 2nd constantly.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nava please.
Nothing against D-Mac, but Nava can actually hit.
That'd be my preference too
But it hasn’t panned out that way.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love Pedey in 10, but I think that's a tad too optimistic
I haven’t read much on how he’s healing but Feet can take a while to get to 100% and the way he plays coming back too early could put him right back on the DL
“He actually took BP on the field yesterday with that boot on,” Francona said. “He’s doing everything in his power to be ready.” Francona joked that Pedroia is full of energy, and now that he can’t spend that energy on playing, he’s driving everyone crazy. “He’s like a caged animal,” Francona said. “We have got to get him back in the lineup or someone is going to kill him.”
He’s off crutches, cleared for weight bearing activity, and Tito said two weeks four days ago, so yeah, 10 days.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Petey is going to be back before Ells and had a broken foot.... lol
I fucking love Pedroia.
I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
Hey! Jake had 17 broken ribs and the SOX lied to him about it.
He also nearly choked on his food because they didn’t tell him he needed to chew it first.
Ells is soft and he needs to come back play well for 2 months then trade his ass.
I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
Sounds good to me
I just remember when I fractured my foot, it’s one of those things that you can re-fracture or break fully very easily. When he comes back, it would be good to see him every other day or DH some also – keep pressure of the foot
Not a lot of bats in the line up right now
That corresponds to the latest group of injuries more then anything else to me.
Anyone think Lowell, Doubrant and cash could get Iannetta and Betancourt from Colorado?
Or did I pick the wrong day to stop sniffing glue?
They aren't trading Iannetta...now
They want to contend and might need him for 1B. Plus, I don’t get why they want Olivo instead of him
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We could lose our whole offense most our pitching but without Vmart and Pedey this team is nothing.
I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
No, but he's still hurting apparently.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He's falling off the map lately.
I hope that HR derby shit doesnt spell his demise…cuz, alot of haters were saying it would
This steady stream of lefties is really messing with him.
This is why Tek and VMart are so important to the team.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That plus the reduced bats around him and the fact that teams are adjusting to him again
It’s not the end of the world but he could use a few days off as well
When is VMart supposed to be coming back?
Soonish?
by TeddyBallgameFan on Jul 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Very
He’s got the glove back on his hand, which is mainly what they were looking for.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Go Jed go
build that value
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
.391 OBP in July
He has been getting on base, but hasn’t been hitting the ball well for June/July.
Jun: .238 AVG, .393 OBP, .536 SLG
July: .226 AVG, .391 OBP, .377 SLG
I think I've seen this post somewhere before.
Maybe…that’s it.
It was April.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything feels like April again.
Well, at least V-Mart and Pedroia are coming back soon. That will make some difference here.
I've been thinking this exact same thing lately.
Every day feels like a crisis.
by TeddyBallgameFan on Jul 21, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we really need to DL Clay?
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He seemed like he was on the DL longer than need be, maybe miss one start, but not as much time as he had off.
That much time off only hurts a pitcher.
According to the Red Sox Health Staff:
No, he has a tweaked knee…
Wait, yes! strained hammy…
Wait, no…just a little hyperextension of the knee..
Wait yes! strained hammy…
Wait no! we think he’ll be just fine
ugh…fuck it…DL him
but we let Cam stay in limbo
WTF
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sox have rarely played well in Oakland, going back like 20 years.
this is nothing new – this field is Hell for them
I think it's frustrating because we havn't played well this year against bad teams, A's O's have two of the worst offenses in baseball.
It’s depressing that we are losing because we can’t keep up with the A’s offense. I’d rather games be blow outs than these close games where we pitch well and it’s the offense that’s killing us.
The field is hell, period
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where did my team go?
I thought we were supposed to be getting better as we got healthier.
I don’t think these catchers are ready for the big show. Just sayin’.
by TeddyBallgameFan on Jul 21, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
They aren't, but we don't have anyone else.
And the most important parts are still unhealthy. No surprise that Clay was rusty, but it’s Victor and Pedey we really need back.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I answered my own question with this in my head after posting.
I really hope at least one of these two are back by the time they play the angels. I’m Going to two of those games and really don’t feel like watching this sort of thing in person.
by TeddyBallgameFan on Jul 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about anyone else,
but I don’t like any of our catching prospects, maybe Lavarnway.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lavarnway is definitely looking good right now.
And we haven’t seen any of the supposedly impressive Ibarra to this point.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Again - why I think we need to re-sign V-Mart.
I’m not down with the ‘conventional wisdom’ that he will not be able to catch long term.
Catchers simply suck in MLB right now. There are barely any that can hit. If you have one that can hit at all, you shouldn’t let him slip away.
I'd rather sign players because they are good, versus everyone else is worse.
I get what you are saying but I don’t think that would be money well spent. You’d need to sign Vmart for 4yrs minimum I’d guess and within 2 years catching look entirely different.
Certainly you could move Victor to DH at that point, but I’m not sold on his value at DH.
I’m not 100% against resigning him, I’m just not sure he’s going to be worth what he’ll ask/get
We are about to lose a ton of salary in the next two years.
I agree that you shouldn’t overspend, but the fact is, catchers that can hit are an extremely rare commodity. Its a seller’s market.
I definitely do not want to move him to DH or 1B. His value is that he can hit and that he can catch.
I agree, but we really have to watch it with these long term deals.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not advocating stupidity - but sometimes being too cautious
can leave you with … no solution.
We have nobody in the system at C who can hit. Wagner’s nice, but he’s not a great hitter.
Who is out there that we can acquire? I don’t see anybody.
Iannetta
I don’t see him as a long term option, but maybe he’s a stop gap until Lavarnway/Ibarra is ready. I want them to talk to Vic, but stay away from a 4 year deal.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
V-Mart is not that old
especially in ‘catcher years’ since he didn’t start playing catcher until he was in the minors. His total games caught is not much more than Mauer.
I am not worried about a 4 year deal – he’ll likely still be productive then – its all about the price for those 4 years.
Cameron has warning track power because of his injury...
I was excited about Cameron at the start of the season…
I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
He's getting better.
He had his average up over .280 to start the day.
Sadly, back down to .277 at the moment…
But seriously, he is definitely playing better each week.
He's actually not playing that bad.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Errr
Bill Hall can go (beep) a (beep)
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many innings that feel like "coulda been" inning lately
bad breaks, poorly hit balls, well positioned D, ugh.
LOB, LOB, missed opportunity, missed opportunity.
Offense is spinning in the mud right now
Pinch hitting Patterson for D-Mac
That must have been because Patterson’s splits are so good against ….
Oh, nevermind. He bats .200 against both sides.
Someone tell me again, why Nava isn’t playing LF?
He's packing his bags
The almighty Hermida is coming back.
"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
I hate Hermida
Twitter: @BoldandBrash
by BoldandBrash on Jul 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Papi with yet another walk.
Youk needs to make them pay.
Extra sweet that he nailed Coco
but I wish Bowden was demonstrated less of a need for stellar defense
Didnt Bowden used to reach 92-93 on his fastball?
His fastest so far is 91.
Could be gun variance, I guess.
He's a shoulder injury waiting to happen
Unless the coaches do something
Coaching visit
Say, Michael – how about throwing a few more 89-91 mph fastballs? They seem to be working.
Are we possibly hoping Bowden shows something
so that he can be traded at the deadline?
Okay - he got out of the inning clean
but 4 batters getting 2 hits wasn’t exactly dominant.
Hmm.... why not start the inning with Scutaro
and then bring in Nava second, if you are going to pinch for Brown anyway?
Exhibit A.
I present to you why scutaro FUCKING SUCKS
Taking pitches is a bad thing?
Last I checked it lead to avoiding quick outs.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 21, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pack it in boys.
Injuries told our tale this year
Cut Patterson
What a damn waste! Can we please DFA this guy?
by Fenway302 on Jul 21, 2010 6:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am NOT seeing any value in keeping him.
Especially with Lowrie back – we don’t need Patterson’s ability to play 2B.
Hall already sucks as the utility guy who can play infield and outfield. But he sucks a lot less than Patterson has and we don’t need two guys like that.
Don't forget Hermedia
With him coming back maybe we can cut Hall too! I’d rather keep Nava or McDonald in OF and leave Jed as IF. Hopefully Pedroia will be back before all is lost.
by Fenway302 on Jul 21, 2010 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MFYankees and MFRays win. And again we lose. This is like April all over again!
by Fenway302 on Jul 21, 2010 6:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
long season
bottom line u are out because the NYY TB will win near 100 games too many weak teams in the A L i say boston wins 92 games 5 short of the WC
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