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Do the Sox need to make a big move at the deadline?

It's kind of like Christmas every year.  July 31 comes around and Theo pretty reliably makes a move to get the Red Sox something that is a huge help to the team- last year, he acquired Victor Martinez, the year before he replaced an irate Manny with Jason Bay.  This year, there are already all kinds of names being bandied about for potential trade targets for the Red Sox.

Obviously, this is not a team ready to make a playoff run in its current condition.  Every day, at least one outfield position- frequently two- is manned by a AAAA player.  2nd base is covered by Bill Hall, who, while he's been useful to the team, is not competent enough at any position to warrant being an everyday player.  Our main catcher, recently designated for assignment by one of the worst teams in baseball, sports an OPS of only 70 points over Victor Martinez' career slugging percentage, and I'm not sure that our backup catcher is even a baseball player.  Our bullpen is a laughingstock, two of our starters are injured, and another 3 are performing much worse than they should.

But still, let's take a step back.  The Red Sox are 5 games out of first and three out of the wildcard, and sporting the exact same record the 2009 Yankees did at the all-star break.  All of this with the absurdly comic amount of injuries the Red Sox have faced.  So let's take a look at where the Red Sox need the most help. 

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Of those problems listed, only the Bullpen really ends up being a huge deal.

Pedroia is expected out a total of 4-6 weeks, but is insistent on playing as soon as he hears he won't break off a bone.  In his comments today, Francona seemed to agree with Pedroia.  Barring a huge setback, he should be back a lot sooner than anyone expects.

According to Theo, Ellsbury is about two weeks away from a rehab assignment and is beginning baseball activities.  Hermida (for better or worse) is beginning a rehab assignment.

Even the papier-mache man, Jed Lowrie is nearing the end of his rehab assignment- and while he's unlikely to come up to the majors immediately, he will provide added depth should Pedroia take longer than expected or should another injury occur.

Beckett and Buchholz both look ready to re-join the rotation next week, after each makes a rehab start this weekend.

Martinez is expected to be back very quickly once his swelling goes down.  Varitek we'll have to see, but he has one of the less-serious injuries on the team.

Cameron has been looking great lately.  He may not be at 100% this year, but he should be able to play enough to contribute in the second half.

Really, we're about 2 weeks from a team in very good shape- with all these players coming back to the team, what holes are there even?

Well, the bullpen.  That's always an issue.  Nevertheless, with Delcarmen ready to come back (he's making one rehab appearance), and hopefully ready to pitch acceptably- with Michael Bowden taking to his role in the Pawsox bullpen very well- with Atchison stepping it up lately, a decent pen may not be as far off as it seems.  A pen of Papelbon, Bard, Wakefield, Atchison, Delcarmen, Bowden, and Richardson may well be able to hold their own.

Still, if a move is made, the pen is certainly where it seems most likely to happen.  Someone like Evan Meek would make it a strong bullpen (though he would be pricey).  Scott Downs is another possible alternative, though trading in the division is less than ideal.  It may be that Theo waits it out and sees how the revamped bullpen is performing before making a significant move and ditching prospects.

This isn't to say that there aren't moves that would help.  I still think Jayson Werth would be a huge addition to this team down the stretch.  The question is just if there are any pieces available which will be worth more to the Sox this year than they would cost in future years- I don't see a whole lot of need assuming everyone comes back like they should.  We'll see as the market unfolds in the next 2.5 weeks.

Poll
What do you think the Red Sox need to pick up the most?
Another outfielder
116 votes
Another starter
27 votes
An infielder (utility infielder or second baseman)
19 votes
Beltre-proof padding for outfielders
71 votes
A catcher
16 votes
I don't care, the Red Sox Season is over
41 votes
A bullpen pitcher
230 votes
Nothing, they're fine. Some band-aids and a couple of weeks.
68 votes

588 votes | Poll has closed

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Beltre needs one of those sensors that are on cars now-a-days.

You know, the one where you’re backing up and when you get close to an object (tricycle, garbage can, small human, large human, bumper of a 92 Ford Tempo), a little beepy noise happens.

Beltre needs that implanted in him somewhere so when he’s about to cream an outfielder, he beeps and puts a stop to the carnage before it occurs.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 15, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Nothing big happens

Getting VMart and Pedey and Beckett back will be like making major acquisitions anyway.

We aren’t going to get DDJ either, the Royals are dead set on winning that deal and Theo isn’t going to let it happen and pay for BABIP.

I think he will make the move for one more bullpen arm. He has to, especially if it won’t cost much. Doesn’t have to be great, just better than RamRam or Oki, and that actually qualifies most of the league, hell we could get Nick Green back to pitch for us.

A bullpen of Wake-Atch-Bard-Paps-Bowden-MDC + whoeverweget would actually, dare I say it, be good.

I do however see major things unfolding at the end of the season as we figure out what to do with the 3B, 1B, C, DH problem.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Have to agree here - just don't see the market lining up with the Sox needs

both this year and long term. smallish move maybe for the pen but I think Theo will ride out what he has and re-tool for next year over the off-season. It may mean missing he playoffs but it happens. Heck with all of the injuries I’m surprised we are this close.

by BobZupcic on Jul 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

No that bullpen would not be good, beacuse MDC is in it

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 15, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't all need to be lights out

Delcarmen is good when he’s good, just not reliable at all. He wouldn’t be used as an 8th inning setup guy or anything.

by wolf9309 on Jul 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, think Saito last year.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could use him right now

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 15, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, he isn’t that good, not $3.2mil good anyway. He got worse moving into an easier league. We let go of him at the right time I think.

He never really played at any important times for us last year.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Id rather have him than Rameriz, but thats not really saying much.
I dont have a ton of confidence in Bowden either. I move Doubront to the pen, and trade for someone. Maybe a Will Ohman, or Octavio Dotel?

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well that’s not really fair, I’d take the dog that played Air Bud in Seventh Inning Fetch over RamRam at this point.

Bowden has looked really good over the last month, between his last few starts and his transition to reliever, I think he can definitely be an improvement (once again, improvement is relative).

Ohman would be interesting, Dotel I’d stay away from. Dotel has seen his K rate fall and his BB rate rise over the last three years and is 36 years old, doesn’t look like a recipe for success.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish San Diego wasn't so good

There are about 3 guys there that I would love to have in our bullpen instead.

If we want to pay some money for one, maybe Lyon, Beimel, Rhodes or Guerrier. Or guys that have no track record but good years so far like Hensley or Santiago Casilla.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Minnesota would trade Gurrierr

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I wouldn't want to move Doubront is

he is showing so much potential as a starter, and really just needs to get that curveball hammered out. I think that having to relieve in the majors would just retard his progress towards that.

I don’t like Ohman at all. Dotel I wouldn’t mind, but only if he was very cheap as he can be erratic. I think Bowden is definitely worth a shot at the very least- he’s looked very good lately. I think he needs to get his shot very soon so that if he doesn’t look good, Theo can make a move before the deadline.

by wolf9309 on Jul 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Felix as a starter too, considering he went from someone I’ve never heard of to actually a pretty decent spot starter. That being said, he has no future with this club as a starter, he would languish in the minors as Beckett, Lackey, Lester, Clay and Dice fill the rotation and then Kelly presumably is next in line.

I think he has his most value with the team as a starter so he retains value as a trade chip. Converting him to reliever doesn’t do much for that when we’ve already done it with Bowden.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

BULLPEN

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

George Sherrill was put on waivers by the Dodgers

Nice lesson about the volatility of relievers and trading for them. Dodgers gave up decent prospects for a guy who was lights out for the last two months of last season but has absolutely sucked so far this year.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldnt mind him, he has shown flashes of being pretty good

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

His walk numbers jumped up way too much this year

You’d need to do something to get that # back down to reasonable, and then let him never see a right-handed batter.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think a move NEEDS to be made but...

If they did maybe another bullpen arm would be nice.

Werth, as much as I’d like him, will probably be too costly especially if we don’t sign him. Maybe wait til free agency for him? Think we lose Cameron and Hermida next year anyway and a Werth-Ellsbury-Drew outfield looks pretty good to me.

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by sonicdeathmonkey on Jul 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Trade for a bullpen arm and hopefully Werth

The reason to get Werth now is because the Phillies need to ship him off for something. Unless they change their payroll agenda, they won’t resign him next year. Give him a taste of the BoSox organization, which may help to sign him next year. If he really wants to bolt for NYY, then we at least get the draft picks.

Also, if Theo gets him and agrees to an extension off the bat (even if in principle only), then they can trade Ellsbury ASAP and get as much value as possible (or at least the value that he seems to have to ESPN!). Cameron is around next year also as is Hermida, so they can have Werth-Cameron-Drew and Hermida as the 4th outfielder (and McDonald and Nava as the necessary extras!!!).

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."-Manny Ramirez

by revigik on Jul 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't trade Ells now,

He’s at his lowest value ever.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Werth-Ellsbury-Drew over that any day of the week. Mostly because the other way, it looks like something you’d see on the membership list of the AARP in 25 years.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cameron is around next year

Hermida surely either gets traded or non-tendered, depending on his performance the rest of the year.

by wolf9309 on Jul 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't need a bullpen pitcher now that I think about it...

Beckett will be coming back soon so Wakefield will be the long relief man. Atchinson could be replaced with Bowden to eat more innings. Robert Manual just needs to adjust, judging by his performance in Triple-A. Richardson is doing fine. Ramon Ramirez needs to step it up because he is having a bad year. Okajima’s done. I want Delcarmen gone. Daniel Bard is great. Papelbon needs to stop relying on his down the middle fast ball too much that he has been doing alot more lately.

by n0va on Jul 15, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d keep MDC over RamRam. When pitching well MDC is the third most effective arm in the pen behind Bard and Paps, not saying much but he is better than RamRam. Oki needs to go and I’d keep Atch over Richardson or Manuel.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed at this-

“I’m not sure that our backup catcher is even a baseball player”

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Jul 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We really kinda do.

Richardson isn’t doing fine. This is all SSS, but let’s take a look. He’s got a 1.69 WHIP and is 5-12 v lefties with a .917 SLG. Manuel has never had much MLB experience, so we have to give him more time and hope he improves. None of this looks too promising.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail

in reply to n0va

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 15, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with N0va for the moment

I think Theo should be doing his due diligence on relievers (as I’m sure he is) and seeing what they all cost, and certainly make a deal if someone good is available cheap (unlikely). For now, we have two and a half weeks till the deadline, I think the thing to do is get Wake back in there ASAP, get Bowden up, and see what the early returns look like. Francona also is going to have to give Richardson and Manuel more appearances in real situations, even if it might end up costing a game (and frankly, I have a hard time believing that either carries a greater risk of costing the game than putting Okajima or Ramirez in there)

by wolf9309 on Jul 15, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't finish my thought

…and if things don’t seem to be improving in the next two weeks, then definitely make a move. In any case, I don’t expect a move before the deadline.

by wolf9309 on Jul 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that the market is bad and there isn't much we can do right now,

but I say we still need to add someone.

"If I was being paid $30,000 dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."- Ted Williams
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 15, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh for the love of God

Beltre out (hamstring), Bill Hall playing third. presumably this means that Patterson will be starting at 2B.

Why? Why can’t we just have healthy players like all the other teams not named the Phillies?

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 15, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to think...

…Theo Epstein is 100% correct. When everybody who’s hurt gets healthy…the Red Sox…a mere 5-games out of first…will be a scary team.

But the Yankees are a deeper, healthier team…and the Rays are a younger, healthier team.

The Red Sox outfield needs help. The bullpen needs help. Now’s a good time to go find some help.

by fnwaypark on Jul 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's hard to argue that any team is deeper than the Sox

considering how well they’ve done despite such crippling injuries.

by wolf9309 on Jul 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

of/inf/rhp x 2

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by gizmosandy on Jul 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Woops like the idiot I am I voted for another starter when I thought it meant starting positional player and that another outfielder as a fourth...

Should have voted for another OF because that is definitely what I think we need. Starting pitching is about the last thing we need.

by Mike-Dub on Jul 15, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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