Red Sox Looking at DeJesus
With their outfield down a starter in Jacoby Ellsbury, and Mike Cameron not ready to start every day, the Red Sox have contacted the Royals about outfielder David DeJesus, per a FOXSports.com report.
The Royals have been scouting the Red Sox' minor league teams, but there's no word on who they might be interested in yet. With David DeJesus affordable at under $5 million and entering his third arbitration year, the Royals are not necessarily in a hurry to deal off the outfielder.
DeJesus is hitting .326/.395/.460 in 328 at bats this year, and has showcased himself in front of the Red Sox with a 1.006 OPS in 24 at bats against Boston.
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well entering his third arbitration year but
with a $6 million option for 2011 which is likely to get picked up in lieu of arbitration
Where's the bullpen help?
Nava and McDonald are doing fine as replacements.
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+1
The reliever market isn’t very good, so we’re hoping Bowden can do well.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dejesus would have to be in the team's plans for next year.
That might not be a bad idea, though, having Ells/Dejesus in LF/CF and removing Cam. Let’s all keep in mind that he is having a career year so far. If we got him and didn’t pick up the option, do we get picks when he signs elsewhere?
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assuming he didn't accept arbitration
and arbitration would probably be higher than his $6 million option based on this year, so he would probably accept. So really, probably doesn’t make sense unless they plan on keeping him in 2011.
I don't think he CAN not accept arbitration.
That’d be his 3rd arbitration year. If a team declines its option and offers arbitration, can he enter free agency?
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 13, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
no I think, looking at his contract, 2010 would actually be his last year of arb
I think he was a Super 2 and would’ve been arb-eligible in 07, 08, 09, and 2010. If I’m wrong though and 2011 would be his last arbitration year, then no luck, he’d have to be non-tendered if they didn’t want to keep him, which means no picks.
Yeah, you got it.
This is his last year.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 13, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a great fit for next year though.
Cheap enough that we don’t mind keeping him if need or want arises, and also cheap enough we can move him if we decide to go in another direction (and receive something nice in return).
He can play all three OF spots… which is crucial, because whether it is this year or next spring I don’t know how confident we can be in the health.reliability of Ellsbury AND Cameron. Broken ribs take a loooong time to come fully back from. Cam has a similar lingering injury and is one the wrong side of the aging curve. Drew is rather durable even though he is often portrayed as fragile… but its would still be perfect insurance to have Dejesus in the fold.
If everyone is healthy in spring we can move him then. If everyone is healthy at the deadline we can move him then. Teams are always looking for guys like this. If we don’t move him and he plays a lot for us he will likely still be a type A after next year and we can offer him arb and get a couple picks back. Dejesus represents a great fit for our needs and potentially a ton of value (obviously depending on the price).
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I think this would help a lot.
I think it’s a toss up as far as what would help us get to the playoffs more, bullpen help or an OF, but if we do make the playoffs, and assuming Ellsbury/Cameron isn’t able to perform once there, we’d clearly need the OF more to go for a title. Bowden’s gonna get a shot, and though I don’t like him much I recognize he could get the job done. Once in the playoffs, the top 4 starters start. Maybe start the obvious 3 (Lester, Buch, Beckett) and then let Dice-K start and put Lackey in the pen. I know Lackey is a better bet to perform in the playoffs, but Dice can’t come out of the pen with his strike throwing problems, and Lackey used to throw strikes so it could work. Add Doubront to the playoff pen mix and they could have something out there.
whole lot of assuming
you try to avoid $6 million bench players. If needed, I’d rather see them call up Kalish.
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Alright guys, here's the joke of the day.
Some guy in the MLBTR comments thinks a Kalish for Dejesus trade straight up would be fair.
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HAHA
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 13, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone explain...
…that it’s Dejesus for Kalish, not Jesus?
Hey, guys, I'll trade you a cheap, younger DeJesus+ for DeJesus!
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 13, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy that proposed that trade
thought that 1.5 years of above average production is worth several years of a guy that could possibly be better than Dejesus.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw in some lower level arms in the Sox’x 11-20 type prospects to even it out if needed. Kalish gives the Royals a good shot at reasonable cheap production for six or seven years while the Sox get a basically guaranteed league average plus production for a year and a half. It’s a fair trade.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
quote fail
Throw in some lower level arms in the Sox’x 11-20 type prospects to even it out if needed. Kalish gives the Royals a good shot at reasonable cheap production for six or seven years while the Sox get a basically guaranteed league average plus production for a year and a half. It’s a fair trade.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why
why give up a guy who could replace Ellsbury for a DeJesus? If Ellsbury can’t win the clubhouse back over, he’ll be traded. Kalish offers a similar skill set, and is getting close to moving up, unlike Reddick.
DeJesus is also more expensive than either player. We don’t need to put more money in a guy who isn’t as talented.
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EXACTLY
Cam and Drew will be out after 2 years and that will leave 2 holes. I’d love to be able to plug one of those with Kalish, who can arguably be much better than Dejesus.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Reddick for Dejesus, maybe...
And only so I can overuse the “You said it, mang: nobody f@#ks with Dejesus” line.
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 13, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt mind this, but it tells me Ellsbury wont be back any time soon.
I wouldnt give up too much for him though, no one in the top 10.
Id look for bullpen help too.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 13, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
With Cameron only an on-and-off player
And Tito’s predilection to rest players fresh off the DL, I don’t think it’d be outrageous at all to see DeJesus come over regardless of how close Ells is.
He has resumed baseball activities for the record.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 13, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Like most people are saying
Plans for him next year, Bullpen solutions now. There’s something wrong with Okajima this year, Ramon Ramirez is having a bad year, I like him though so hopefully the Sox keep him. Robert Manual will become himself sooner or later, Richardson is looking good. Drop Atchison for Bowden and trade Delcarmen away or something. I never liked him.
I'd actually consider Atchison one of the (relative) bright spots in the bullpen.
His xFIP of 4.31 is third best in the bullpen, ahead of Papelbon’s 4.56. And he can give multiple innings when we need them. Definitely keep Atchison. I never realized how good DRich has been also. 6.75 K/9, 1.69 BB/9, and a 55.6 GB%. Solid, solid peripherals, combining for a 3.97 xFIP. The only reason his ERA/FIP are so high is his 28.6% (!!) HR/FB%. Obviously unsustainable.
Honestly, I’m not nearly as worried about this bullpen as I was before. Bard’s been phenomenal (3.20 xFIP), Richardson has had horrible luck but has pitched well (3.97 xFIP), Atchison has been okay and can give us some innings (4.31 xFIP), Papelbon has been somewhat bad but lucky, but I have hope for him improving (4.56 xFIP), Ramirez, MDC, and Oki have been pretty bad (4.73, 5.09, 5.33 xFIP, respectively), and Manuel has had a bad start but hopefully will recover (7.36 xFIP, ouch). And hopefully we’ll have a difference-maker coming in with Bowden.
Really, this bullpen could use one more good lefty and it would be pretty set, assuming some people (Papelbon, Manuel) start pitching like they’ve shown they can. Of course I would absolutely love to get someone like Matt Thornton (who I’m in love with), but I would be happy with calling up Bowden and maybe getting another solid lefty.
Manuel has never really shown that ability in the majors.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 13, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but I don't think he's going to have a 4.15 BB/9 all season. Or a 7.1 GB%.
He has shown good control through pretty much his entire career (mostly in the minors). Do I think he’ll be amazing and a shutdown reliever? Probably not. But I do think that 4 innings is too little to judge a pitcher on, especially when just being called up (his total major league experience has been 8.2 innings so far). And I think his minor league record is solid enough to give me hope that he can be a useful piece.
+1
It’s tough to judge relievers because they can pitch 2 innings and look shitty, but in the end, it’s only 2 innings. SSS
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, can I reiterate how much I would love to have Thornton?
Arguably the best left-handed reliever in the game right now, with a 2.51 xFIP. He’s a bit more hittable against righties (3.32 xFIP, still good), but lefties just can’t even touch him (1.73 xFIP). He strikes out everyone (12.03 K/9), and has pretty good control (2.95 BB/9). This isn’t just this year either, as the last two years he’s posted a 2.71 and 2.79 xFIP as well. And he does all this by throwing a mid-90s fastball over 90% of the time.
BTW, while I was looking up stats for this, I found an interesting SSS aberration.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4534&position=P
Ross Wolf
1G, 1IP
27 K/9, 0 BB/9
1.099 BABIP (?)
-2.89 FIP, -1.52 xFIP
How do you get a 1.099 BABIP? Rounding error?
Thornton would be fantastic
but it’s not looking like the paler sox are gonna be selling anything off.
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Is that he’s done.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jul 13, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree,but
Who’s going to take the risk?And if someone did, we would get at best a bag of balls in return.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for Dejesus
I’m also all for Farnsworth or Soria in the same deal.
If this team does not get a major upgrade in the pen, this is all for nothing.
I like this deal because I think it opens the door for Ells to get dealt, since Cameron prob won’t have much of a market.
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It may take awhile for Ellsbury but no way the Sox should deal him..
He’s getting back out there. Plus the Red Sox’ base running is terrible. Dejesus has SOME speed but not Ellsbury speed.
Deal Delcarmen and I’m happy. Maybe the Sox will get another steal like they did V-Mart.
he should be dealt in the winter
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You make a point,
but Ells is at his lowest value now. He’s played like 9 games this year.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we will get a nice return for him this winter
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So who'd be playing LF? CF?
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
isnt that the strength of our farm?
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So you really want to rely on 3 rookies right off the bat?
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So you want to rely on whoever is available then?
I’m not sure who that is
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd consider bringing Drew back on a shorter cheaper deal.
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He supposedly wants to retire.
This is why we shouldn’t trade Kalish unless it’s for an outfielder.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we will have options that's for sure.
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Yes
and if we don’t trade Kalish, that’s a nice option there.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I see no reason to keep Ellsbury
he’s more valuable in a trade than he is on our team.
This year has proved that.
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I agree
Here’s the list of 2012 FA’s http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not a great list, but thats a lifetime from now
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but we can't just dismiss it
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuddyer, Drew, Ludwick
Those are the only names there that interest me at all.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 14, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
There are 90 starting OFers on a given day in baseball, I’m sure a couple may become available between now and then.
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I don't want Ellsbury to get traded
Horrible just thinking about it. He’s cheaper than DeJesus (maybe not for much longer) and DeJesus is more injury prone.
Both of them are very similar but at the least, let’s see what Ellsbury’s got when he returns.
he needs to go, he is not a good fit
he has no patience, and he would be better suited in another ballpark or team.
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my eyeballs and the fact that his game does not fit well at Fenway.
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Ok and how does his game not fit well in Fenway exactly? Your answer doesn’t really answer my question. .300+ avg in Fenway.
Not an amazing OBP or plate discipline.
He doesn’t make good reads on the ball in CF. His a solid MLB player, but we probably can get more value in a trade.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ellsbury would be more valuable in a bigger park on an NL team
where his speed is more important.
Fenway is quirky.
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Speed is important for any league in center field. His OBP isn’t that bad, plus you don’t want to walk the fastest guy on the team do you? So you can see the resemblence.
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The people that want to trade Ells
don’t really think he’s a bad player, they just think he can have more value in a trade.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
for one thing
the Sox baserunning isn’t all terrible. Stolen bases do not necessarily equal good baserunning. Scutaro, for example, is a smarter baserunner who doesn’t steal a lot of bases. Youk and Ortiz, sure their baserunning sucks, but it can.
But he likes beating up people, that makes him tough...
…oh wait, that actually just makes him a douchebag.
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 13, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want MFY sloppy seconds
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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DeJesus would be a nice pickup, but...
Who would we be getting rid of from the OF? Cameron’s hanging there with a tough injury (although he’s really not healthy enough to be fully productive).
Ells is a question mark if/when he returns.
Nava/D-Mac are filling in OK – Nava has the edge with the bat; D-Mac with the glove.
Hall is versatile – even though his defense is very questionable and his power at the plate doesn’t make up for his lack of hand-eye coordination.
Hermida? Ahhhh, I think we’ve got a winner, and by winner I mean loser. Hermida, when healthy, isn’t good enough with the bat or glove.
But he’s still on the DL. Who goes if it happens now? Cameron in a trade? Nava AAA’d? D-mac DFA’d?
I'd say if the deal happened now, Cam would be DL'd or shut down for a while.
I think Gammon’s mentioned it could happen. That would make LF-Nava, CF-Dejesus, RF-Drew. Theo would then have to figure out in the offseason what to do with Cam/Dejesus/Ellsbury.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 13, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What I think
Wait it out until we get the true starting OF lineup back. Drew, Ellsbury, and Cameron. I think Ellsbury’s going back to center right? I think I remember reading about it awhile back. Anyways, Mike Cameron will be a free agent next year so McDonald and Daniel Nava could fight off for the next spot. But you also forgot Eric Patterson, he has impressed me his last few games. I have NO IDEA what the Sox will do with him. Bill Hall was horrid in outfield so I would recommend just letting him be an infielder. Jeremy Hermida would be gone. I have no idea why the Sox ever picked him up.
This leaves them with 5 outfielders. Ellsbury, Drew, Daniel Nava, Darnell McDonald, and Eric Patterson. Bill Hall as mainly a infielder.
by the time we get our lineup back, it will be too late
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I like DeJesus
But I’m wary of giving up significant pieces for him, even though that’s probably what it would take.
This is essentially a career year for him, and I can’t see us giving up good prospects for a half-year rental, which means I think it’s probable that Theo would want to exercise his option, and who knows how he’ll do next year. And if we trade away Ellsbury that would give us Cameron/Kalish, DeJesus, and Drew, all of which have contracts (along with Hermida) that end at the same point. Yeah, hopefully Kalish would be able to contribute, but you’re probably also looking at least 1 big(ish) FA and possible 2/or a trade. 2012 could be an expensive year.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 13, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
If you can somehow get the Royals to take Reddick and some lower level pitching
Then I’d do it. Dejesus fits the Sox mold – gets on base, plays great defense. I could see a DeJesus/Kalish/Drew OF in 2011. Trade Ells along with Papelbon to clear up space and $$.
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or we could have Cam in center. That’s a good idea, but I don’t think Reddick and low level pitching will get it done.
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