The Expendables: Boston's Most Tradable Prospects
What do Josh Beckett, Jacoby Ellsbury, Mike Lowell and Dustin Pedroia all have in common? With Major League Baseball’s All Star weekend just around the corner, you may guess that this is the list of players who will represent the Red Sox at this season’s mid-summer classic festivities. You, however, would be incorrect. Instead, those listed above -- along with Jeremy Hermida, Jed Lowrie and Junichi Tazawa -- collectively comprise one of the most talented and accolade-laden disabled lists in all of baseball. As the non-waiver trade deadline looms, now is the time for front office executives to assess their respective teams in an attempt to decide whether it’s in the organization’s best interest to buy or sell come July 31st. If it is in fact the latter, then it becomes a matter of addressing the product on the field, choosing the areas in need of improvement and ultimately finding the best ‘seller’ to pair needs with. The dilemma for Boston is not whether they plan to buy or sell -- as one of the hottest teams in baseball over the past couple of months, it’s a safe bet that they assume a buyer’s position -- the problem is that with such a depleted team for so much of the season, deciphering the prominently problematic areas of the depth chart remains a relatively grey area as the complete product has yet to be seen in its utmost entirety. And while it would be ignorant to believe that Boston is without any semblance of a plan in regards to the trade deadline, many outside factors remain unrealized, and the rest of the baseball market may not be as sure as the Red Sox are when it comes to self-proclaiming a buyer or seller status. So, instead of extensively exploring the ranks of Major League Baseball’s trade-bait candidates, a good portion of the immediate future for Fenway’s front office may be used on deciding which individuals currently in the system are the most expendable, and also, which will offer the greatest return. For now, we focus on the younger talent within the organization.
The foundation of the Red Sox’s starting rotation appears to be solidified for the foreseeable future. Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, John Lackey, Daisuke Matsuzaka and inevitably, Clay Buchholz, are contractually locked up for at least the next few years. The stability of the rotation belittles the value of some of the near-ready pitching prospects in Boston’s system as there is little to no room for them at the major league level anytime soon. Then again, as they say, one man's waste is another man's treasure. Sure, the Red Sox may not have a glaring need for the services of some of their more seasoned pitching prospects, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the remaining buyers will more than likely be seeking pitching help for the stretch run. Even those sellers who will choose the rebuilding road come deadline time will inevitably be seeking younger, less developmentally demanding, pitching prospects to build around. Boston’s top prospect, Casey Kelly, a starting pitcher, is just twenty years of age. Stolmy Pimentel, the organization’s number seven rated prospect (according to SoxProspects.com), is also a twenty year-old starting pitcher with an immense upside. By the time the Red Sox have the necessity to fill vacated spots in the starting rotation, both of these pitchers should be ready to help the major league club. However, there are five other starting pitchers in Boston’s top twenty prospects, all of whom are twenty-three years of age or older -- with the exception of Felix Doubront, who turns twenty-three in October. This log-jam of young, but still MLB-ready, starting pitchers places the Red Sox in an advantageous position come time to negotiate any potential trades; they have a surplus of prospect trade chips at one of the most highly sought-after positions in major league baseball. Solid young starting pitching is tough to develop, so when you have the chance acquire it from a team that has done such a tremendous job of developing it themselves, it’s not something to be taken lightly. A package of a couple young pitchers looks that much more enticing when they are coming from an organization that has produced the likes of Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz to build a rotation around in recent years. With that in mind, the most expendable starting pitching prospects in the Red Sox’s system would seem to be Felix Doubront, Michael Bowden and either Kyle Weiland or Alex Wilson. Felix Doubront may be the most enticing of those four. Not only is Doubront the youngest of the group, but he may be the most polished at this stage in his development. In other words, he may be the only one of the four with the capability of winning a rotation spot right now, and at the same time, he still offers arguably the highest upside. Doubront made his major league debut with the Red Sox on June 18th, notching his first career victory in a 10-6 win against the Dodgers at Fenway Park. Doubront’s final line -- three earned runs in five innings of work -- may not seem all that impressive at first glance, but the young southpaw made a very positive impression overall in his first stint with the major league club. Some have suggested that the spot start awarded to Doubront may have been an effort to showcase his ability to pitch at the next level to potential suitors. While that may in fact be the case, it is unlikely that Boston ends up moving Doubront when it’s all said and done. The reason someone such as Doubront, who is held in such high regard by Red Sox management, would ever be showcased is in the event that the club decided it was necessary to upgrade at a position of higher profile. For instance, in the event that David Ortiz remained in a prolonged slump at the designated hitter position, Doubront could have served as a centerpiece in a package bringing over someone like, say, the Milwaukee Brewers’ Prince Fielder. However, now that Ortiz has reaffirmed his status as one of the game’s most feared power hitters, the Red Sox are without a truly prominent hole at any of the ‘glamour’ positions, so to speak. Instead, the Red Sox, thanks to a plethora of injuries during the course of the season, will likely shift their focus towards adding quality depth on the bench -- that, and some bullpen relief. Typically, acquiring the likes of a middle reliever or utility infielder requires substantially less than what a marquee starting pitcher or power hitter would command on the trade market. Michael Bowden may end up being the man on the move out of the aforementioned pitchers in this scenario. Bowden has seen his fair share of both ups and downs in his time with the Red Sox. He has been one of the highest rated prospects in the system and has pitched successfully during brief stints at the major league level, but he's also struggled at times. At twenty-three years of age, Bowden's ceiling is gradually declining from where it once was thought to be, but he still has the sort of stuff that could translate well on a consistent basis in the MLB. Pitching isn’t the only position in Boston’s system that has noticeable depth, and subsequently, resources. Current outfielders Mike Cameron and J.D. Drew are past their glory years, there’s no denying that, but the Red Sox’s organization has plenty of options at outfield when it comes to the ranks of the farm system. Similarly to the starting pitching position, five of the current top twenty rated prospects in Boston are outfielders. Ryan Westmoreland, Ryan Kalish, Josh Reddick, Reymond Fuentes and Che-Hsuan Lin are all outfield prospects at, or under the age of twenty-two. It’s safe to say that Westmoreland, Fuentes and Lin are all off-limits in any trade discussions -- especially considering the lack of impact players rumored in relation to the Red Sox’s trade deadline plans -- however, Reddick and Kalish are different stories. Kalish, now in Pawtucket, has shot up the ladder of the Red Sox’s system recently -- as high as the second rated prospect overall, depending on who you ask. An outfielder of his caliber, and still at the ripe age of twenty-two, is more than likely in the same ‘untouchable’ type category as someone like Doubront -- which makes Reddick an intriguing trade candidate. Much like Michael Bowden, Reddick has flashed the ability to dominate the higher ranks of the minor leagues and has seen sufficient time at the major league level, but has yet to show the ability to rise above the ranks of his fellow outfield prospects in his still-young career. Reddick’s plate discipline -- twenty-three strikeouts to only three walks with Boston -- make him less likely to ultimately stick within the confines of the organization. Yet, the raw power and athleticism shown during his time with the team could make him an appealing portion in a package of prospects that could land the Red Sox the type of deadline addition they need in order to separate themselves from the rest of the American League. Depth at a particular position doesn’t necessarily guarantee that it be the area of the system from which the Red Sox exploit during trade talks -- for instance, first baseman Lars Anderson is also a name that could be tossed around in the upcoming weeks -- but it certainly seems plausible in regards to Boston given the abnormally deep nature of their pitching and outfield positions throughout the system as a whole. Again, while it remains unlikely that the Red Sox make a blockbuster-type deal come the deadline, the fact of the matter is that it remains of near-unanimous opinion that Boston has its areas in need of addressing -- especially while they compete with the likes of the American League's East division. However, whether it be blockbuster or smaller-scaled, the Red Sox, again thanks to a fruitful farm system, find themselves in an advantageous position as the always important trade deadline looms.
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Who do the Sox see as filling in gaps after the current guys depart?
For instance, Drew and Cameron are gone after 2011; do the Sox see any of their current talent as slotting in the outfield when the time comes? If so, we may be able to tell by the lack of demand for them—or perhaps intense interest in them.
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Well I know that if Ells doesn’t do it this year, when Cameron is gone he slides back over and Kalish comes in (I assume he can play left). If Drew doesn’t re-sign I can see Reddick our there, or even Lin, who, which might be totally off base, I feel is a lot like Drew anyway. The timing does line up well for Reddick, Lin and Kalish.
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I'm not sure I necessarily see Fuentes and Lin as untouchables
Both seem to have a lot of potential but they don’t seem like the type of automatic superstars that would make them untouchable. I think Kalish is closer to untouchable than either of them. Westmoreland certainly is 100% untouchable, because he’s currently not a prospect until its been determined that he actually can play baseball again and can play close to the level he was playing at.
Westmoreland’s situation also makes it that much more unlikely the Sox would trade Kalish. After all, if you have two top prospect outfielders who could make the roster in another year or two, you know you’re going to need a new starting outfielder or two in another year or two, and one of the prospects just had brain surgery, you can’t trade that one and you’d be a fool to trade the other unless you were getting something you needed even more.
Well, good luck with that
To think that trading a guy like Michael Bowden and a couple lesser prospects would be enough to net a top MLB talent is a little bit of home cooking. Remember, Bowden’s last go round in the majors was pretty disappointing, and he is what? 23 or 24? Trading some of these guys you mentioned for a player like Hermida is possible, but the Sox probably won’t be able to get any real talent unless they offer up a couple of their top prospects.
I don't think the article suggested that
He was talking about pieces that could help get a middle reliever or a utility infielder. In fact, it specifically states:
Typically, acquiring the likes of a middle reliever or utility infielder requires substantially less than what a marquee starting pitcher or power hitter would command on the trade market.
Immediately before it starts talking about Bowden. And right before that it said that the Red Sox efforts would be focused on the bench and middle relief, not some marquee top talent players because there aren’t any glaring holes.
I dunno, did you read the article? Or just comment on it?
Nobody reads the articles anymore.
Sigh
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
His name makes him sound like a Yankees fan.
Good things happen when Beltre is on his knees.
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
People read articles?
I thought everyone was just here for the pictures.
Yes, but...
A middle reliever or utility infielder still cost something and the sellers are generally less motiviated to move the player since they are not big contracts. If Theo pulls off a trade for a middle reliever or IF help, I’m betting the will be moaning here when a Bowden gets traded for a Willie Bloomquist for example.
I believe the Sox are in desperate need of a decent SS/2B and have needed one since Lowrie got sick. After watching Okijima unable to get out the 8th inning of a game with a 5-run lead last night, and the struggles of Ramieriz and Delcarmen, they also appear to need solid bullpen help. At least there seem to be OF and bullpen options avialable from the minors; I don’t see any good IF options.
Well, yeah, because Willie Bloomquist is fantastically bad.
But Bowden for a legitimate reliever wouldn’t draw complaints.
And they are motivated to deal the player, simply because they serve no value to a losing team, while a prospect might sometime down the line. Even if the chance is low, 0% to 5% is a big jump.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 30, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see
“fantastically bad” on Bloomquist’s b-r page.
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They could put it in a banner
… like they do with “All Star” or “Hall of Fame.”
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 30, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Can anybody come up with a realistic trade for a utility IF or middle reliever that would warrant trading say Bowden and/or say Reddick? Octavio Dotel? Matt Capps? Closers on bad teams, and certainly a legitimate relivers. But how does that sound when you think about it? Not so good, right? This the tough pill to swallow, trade a good prospect for a rental stiff, except that you really could use that stiff.
Luckily
We aren’t going to be looking for top MLB talent, except for relief pitching that is, and Bowden + another middling prospect would certainly be enough for a solid reliever since the cost is significantly less since a good reliever only pitches 60-80 innings a year instead of 200.
So many players have been injured that really we don’t know if there are any long term deficiencies in the team. We’ve had really good outfield replacement production, Pedey will be back sooner or later at 2B and VMart should be ready as soon as he’s off the DL. On top of that we get Beckett back at the trade deadline so it’s like we’re making a major trade anyway. We have the players we need to plug most of our holes within the organization already.
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Also worth noting, if Bowden pulls it together, might he be the relief pitcher we’re looking for?
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Yes, maybe
but MANUEL needs a chance
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, maybe
but MANUEL needs a chance
Good things happen when Beltre is on his knees.
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve decided to wipe him from my memory, clearly something is horribly wrong with him. We can’t see it, but it’s there. It’s the only reason he hasn’t been given a chance. He has the plague or something.
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No, he's too good.
He would make all the dirties feel bad. Tito wouldn’t want that.
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Theo doesn't want Tito to be unhappy.
Good things happen when Beltre is on his knees.
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Bard
What more damaged could possibly be done to their psyches that a 25 year old with a 100 mph fastball hasn’t already accomplished?
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question: Right now if Youkilis were to miss a game, they have no backup 1B. What do they do?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Papi
For an emergency.
If it looks prolonged, you’ll love this. Bates?
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I'd guess Shealy gets the call ahead of Bates
But I could be wrong. Probably depends on who’s hotter at the moment.
Right Shealy...
Totally forgot about him, .300/.440/.550 through 50 PAs in ’Tucket.
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I forgot about him. That makes the most sense. Though Bates has been hitting well of late.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not give Doubront a try out of the pen?
He’s got a live arm for sure. Make a simple game plan for him, mostly fastballs, and I think he’d be great.
That's what Bowden and Manuel are for.
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is untouchable
I don’t follow the minor league players much, but I don’t sense much buzz coming from the farm these days. Sure, lots of decent prospects, but certainly no “untouchables”. I believe Lars Anderson was the last can’t miss propspect a couple of years ago, and he is having difficulty keeping a job in Pawtucket.
The Red Sox can afford to ship out some prospects to fill immediate needs in a pennant race, because they can fill with free agents later if they need to. Sure, it is expensive (see Drew), but they can handle it.
We're getting into a time where clubs are more hesitatnt to trade away prospects for rental players and such
Yes, it’ll always happen, every year, someone will trade for Cliff Lee and others, but it seems like more and more teams want to keep young, talented, under-control players instead of giving them up willy-nilly.
I remember hearing about Westmoreland and Kelly in the off-season as being as close to “untouchable” as you could get without being so, so it’s not like we haven’t heard it about our prospects. Lars Anderson has a job, he isn’t losing it to anyone at the moment (I mean, I guess Shealy, but Shealy’s more of a depth guy at this point). We pushed and promoted players this year and they’re going through growing pains, and had a youngish system in general, so it’s to be expected. I’d really hate to trade good prospects (even if they are struggling) for middle-of-the-road MLB players. I know we’re in a pennant race, but I trust Theo to be smart and generally be protective of the farm system he helped to build.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that is the dilema
The Sox are one game out in a pennant race
They have legitimate needs in a couple of key areas
Do they trade away prospects?
I say yes, obvioulsy within reason.
But as I also noted, most of you are going to hate the trade when/if it happens, because the Sox need that middle-of-the-road player and it is going to cost something to get that player.
Yeah but because of where are needs are, we don’t even need to discuss our top prospects because relief pitchers and utility infielders just don’t cost a whole lot. In the talk about what our needs are, Lars, Kelly, Kalish, these guys are untouchable because they’re worth more to the team as a prospect than in the return of a RP or IF. But Bowden, Lin, Weland, those guys are definitely good enough to get us what we need and it won’t be hurting the system too much.
If we were discussion Gonzalez or Fielder or Lee, then yes, top prospects are available for those. But all-stars aren’t where our needs are, it’s in role players.
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All about the money
Yes, now the vast majority of teams are hoarding their prospects and less willing to move them for rental players. As usual, its all about the money. Teams realize the benfit of having a contibuting player under control for several years vs. the alternative of signing a free agent to fill a need.
Now the Red Sox are not entirely in that category. They will, and should be willing to make a good move to help them win now, because they can afford to dip into the FA market if necessary. V-Mart last year is a good example.
For many mid-market teams like the Phillies or Cardinals, they realize the window of opportunity is short, so they want to add to a good core while they can. The Cliff Lee and subsequent Halladay trade certainly worked in their favor.
I guess the point is that our needs, don’t require the movement of top prospects such as Lars. Fallen prospects like Bowden and a middling prospect are probably all it would take to pry away a decent bullpen arm (if Bowden isn’t the answer there himself), or a utility infielder.
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I would still put him in my Top 10, yes
He’s been streaky for the past few years, true, but he’s got great talent, just still has holes in his swing. But he’s only 22 and in AAA. If he went to college this would be his first full year of professional baseball, and he’s already at AAA. There’s enough raw talent there to say he’s still one of our better prospects, even if he never reaches his ceiling.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 30, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes still top 10. But thats all.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If you say so
I’d put him higher than Reddick and Bowden, but I also really like Lars, soo…
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Higher than Bowden. Not Reddick
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I'm guessing your list is different than mine
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 30, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I actully have a list on my website here if you wanna see it
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Because of a slump after a promotion to the top level in the club?
Still a top prospect in my book, in the top 10 definitely, and in this organization, that says a lot.
He was raking in AA to start the year, the ability is there, he just struggles to find consistency and most players struggle after a promotion anyway. AAA is filled with life long minor leaguers who make their living beating up on top prospects but just couldn’t ever make that jump to MLB caliber. I think he’s gonna be fine, plus in the last week he’s really busted out of that slump.
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I wouldn't hesitate to trade Doubront.
Dice is always injured and I worry that he’ll suck worse in the next couple of years.
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typo
Would not wouldn’t
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by BoldandBrash on Jun 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bubba Bell and Robert Manuel just made the IL all-star team
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
Bubba is a fan favorite, a non-prospect at this point, more of a player to be named later sort of guy. (I’m assuming you’re bringing this up in context of trades.)
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Yeah I do think Bubba may be a guy who can contribute on an MLB team in the future though. He is hitting .303 also
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 30, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus...
…named “Bubba”
So he’s got that going for him, which is nice…
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 30, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised we didn't see more of him during ST
I mean, I DREAM of seeing a starting lineup featuring Boof, Tug, and Bubba.
Funny… that’s my worst nightmare.
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But for totally different reasons. If they had the abilities of Lester, Pedrioa and Youk, I would put as down as best named team of the decade.
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LOL
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt want them to get rid of Iglesias either
I think the Sox most tradeable prospects are offensive/non pitchers this year.
They could deal Anderson or Rizzo and Kalish or Reddick.
Are there any decent players out there though that could help the Sox this year? Everyone always needs starting pitching, but why blow prospects on a Cliff Lee or Roy Oswalt for 2 months? Andy why give up top ranked prospects for a bullpen arm that could just be pulled from the farm system?
Just looking through the league I could see Jhonny Peralta available on the cheap to play 2B or SS; Corey Hart from the Brewers; Kelly Johnson from the Dbacks; all guys that could help out with minimal payout of prospects.

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