Is Daniel Nava For Real?
In the past two weeks everyone has learned Daniel Nava's name. He went from a nobody who would be stuck in AAA for eternity to a Red Sox Nation hero in one pitch. From then, he's only continued to impress, reaching base in every game since joining the major league club (10 games) with seven (important) doubles already and one (very memorable) home run on his first major league pitch. He's even had Remy coin a word- Nava-mania, since coming to the major leagues.
Frankly, this is all par for the course for a player who has been underestimated his whole life, cut from his college team, undrafted, and then finally found success in the Independent Leagues. After being rated the #1 independent prospect by Baseball America, he was finally signed by the Red Sox, and absolutely skyrocketed his way through the minor leagues, not posting an average under .339 or an OPS under .929.
That said, his whole pro career, up until this year, he's been facing players younger than himself. Finally in AAA, he managed, in 54 games, to post a line of .294/.364/.492. This, in combination with his reputation for seeing balls and swinging at strikes, was enough to warrant him a promotion to the big Leagues a couple of weeks ago when yet another Red Sox went down. So far, he's been more than they could have imagined.
Showing no signs of a slump when moving up levels, he has so far managed a line of .382/.447/.676 with the Boston club, including an impressive showing last night against Rockies Ace, Ubaldo Jimenez, with two doubles. If he keeps it up at this pace, there is no way that he'll ever see the minor leagues again, but then we all remember the hot start Darnell Mcdonald got off to with Boston, before falling to mediocrity.
So is this sustainable? so far it's hard to say with such a small sample size. He HAS shown some regression (despite what it might seem) in that his walks have gone down since reaching the majors while his strikeouts have gone way up (including a good amount of swinging strikes). It will be interesting to see how this changes as the league learns to adapt to him.
So far, his BABIP is absurdly high (.455) but is supported at least to a point by his awesome LD% of 22.7%. Basically, so far, he has either struck out or put the ball in the outfield, which is due to change eventually, probably quite soon. At the same time, his track record in the minors suggests that we're going to see a player similar to the player we have seen the last 10 games, just with a little regression.
So what do you think? Does Nava have what is takes to stik around at the major league level? If so, as a starting outfielder or as a fourth outfielder?
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I think it all depends on where he is
I think later in the year he’s a 4th OF for us, but if he keeps it up and we can trade him to somewhere that needs a starting outfielder we might have something.
The power of being HUNGRY!
I call this the Florida Marlins process. Namely finding unknowns that are hungry and let them materialize before your eyes. The Sox like to go with has beens like Wakefield and Beckett, and then pay them well to perform without incentives to do so. Guys like Nava are so hungry, they will try like heck for free.
I say when things are not going well, take chances with the hungry guys in the minors more often because despite the stats, there are some gems in the rough to be found!
I don't know why I'm bothering
But Wake’s value has been double or triple what he’s being paid each of the past 8 years.
Valid point but against the most irrational person… second most irrational (forgot about 75bw) person on the site. His argument would probably be that just because he has value doesn’t mean he should be a starting pitcher, or something to those lines. But that’s because he thinks our 1-5 should all be aces and has rediculously high standards that cause him to post and claim things like “Beckett is a has been.”
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Wow two losses and you’re back! And now claiming that Beckett is a has been. But I guess that’s what happens when the Sox give you 10 straight series wins or ties and you have nothing to do but come up with bad ideas.
What factual evidence can you use to support that Beckett is a has been? Was it his 17 win, 3.35 xFIP (3rd best of his career), 5 WAR 2009 season?
You can argue mindset all you want but Beckett is no strange to injury (for better or for worse) and has emerged from each stint the same pitcher he was before. He hasn’t been very good this year, but that’s because he was injured and injuries cause a decline in effectiveness. If the evidence from his other DL stints holds, he’ll be back around the ASB and be just as affective as he used to be.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Ever since that elbow trip to the guru,
I have noticed a slow down and hesitancy in Becketts abilites. Now he has the big bucks, but IMO it was given to him at the worst time! Namely when his mind-body doubts were showing. Bad and wasteful move, but only time will answer this one.
As for my posting, I already admitted to being a fair weather fan. That also means in my case that when the Sox win, their winning is enough for me to be happy. I do not need to yell" rah rah". However, I do get concerned and unsatisfied when bad signs show up or when dumb moves are made (Beckett’s salary and contract length). Then I vent, and for now, I do it here!
by NG on Jun 24, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Some would say a fair weather fan is no fan at all.
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
eh i see nothing wrong with it if you realize it's the case
I’m a fan of the Celtics and Bruins, but only in the playoffs. Otherwise, I couldn’t care less.
Like him
I like watching Nava hit. I remember the first time he was up I thought to myself, “Who is this guy? Another bases loaded situation wasted!” Boy did he prove me wrong. He just continues to hit too. His defense needs a little work but there’s no reason he can’t slide into right field when JD Drew’s contract is up. Or even better DL Mike Cameron for the year as soon as Ells comes back and put Nava in Left! I think our outfield for the next few years should be Ellsbury in Center, Nava in Left and McDonald in Right. We can’t forget McDonald. He’s earned a chance too!
Darnell McDonal
Has worked out of the Sox this year, but he’s 32, I don’t see him in the long term plans
yes and besides
McDonald has, admittedly, done much better than I expected. He’s still, I don’t know, maybe 1/5 the player Drew is. Maybe less because of that defense.
Wow.
Well Darnell has been incredibly average after his hot start and is a defensive liability.
Nava has been impressive so far, we’ll have to see if he can keep it up, whether he’s the real deal or just another Shelley Duncan.
And then there is Reddick and Kalish, two players with a much higher ceiling than at least Darnell (jury still out on Nava) who are waiting in the wings until Cameron and Drew are gone.
The plan doesn’t really involve Nava or McDonald.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I'm one who thinks Lin could sneak into the plans as well
A guy routinely ranked as the best outfielder in the system who has also steadily progressed offensively has to be on radar. He just hasn’t gotten the same Theo-hype machine treatment of some the others.
by BigRedDog42 on Jun 24, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Lin too, check back a couple minor lines, I suggested a switch to him after Rizzo appeared cursed from the honor of being after the jump. I didn’t name him mostly because he’s probably another year at least behind Kalish and Reddick.
He gets glowing reviews in Portland though, plays incredible defense and looks pretty patient at the plate. I’m excited about his ceiling and he sort of reminds me of Drew.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yea he may another year
He’s 2 years younger than Reddick and 1 year younger than Kalish
Makes me sad all over again to think that we should be talking about Westmoreland in this capacity also. I still believe he’s coming back.
by BigRedDog42 on Jun 24, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he will, he has a tremendous support system around him and he just flat out has one desire, and that is to play with Boston. He is so upbeat and positive and that is 50% of a successful rehab, just knowing you can do it and having an important goal laid out for yourself. He’s still a long ways away though, like he said, he used to run 30 minutes on an elliptical machine and now he struggles to make it for 3 minutes.
It would be amazing for him to return to the skill level he had and with his attitude I now think he has the potential to do it, as improbable as that may have been just a month or two ago.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yea as BC student watching Mark Herzlich come back
I believe anything now
by BigRedDog42 on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If he keeps up the way he's playing I could see Theo dealing Ells for a pen arm
Our young outfield depth is going to be our biggest strength over the next few years, and if Reddick and Kalish perform then Nava and Ellsbury become one of the most valued trade pieces in the majors. Young, cost controlled athletic players.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jun 24, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha! YES!
I don’t care, the Red Sox season is over
Beautiful!
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Seriously, who picks that?
2.5 games back with the wild card lead (although it’s really too early to worry about that), and with Tampa in a bit of a free fall, I think we’re at the very least okay.
I think most of the people who pick it do so as a joke
It’s in there because of someone’s comment during a poll that was along the lines of “It’s doesn’t matter so I don’t care”, so Wolf felt that that should be an option in all the polls from now on.
Or something like that.
In any event, the beginnings of a running joke.
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To be fair
I didn’t actually select the option. I can’t help it. I die a little inside every time Papelbon takes the mound.
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Origin (sort of):
http://www.overthemonster.com/2010/5/20/1479040/the-myth-of-the-hometown-discount#37968411
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NG and 75bandwagon
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yes please.
He looks to me like a fairly average defender, making some good plays but some mishaps, with a pretty good arm. And he hits line drives. Oh so many line drives. And that’s a skill that he’s always had throughout the minors, he’s maintained a sky-high babip for years based on his ability to hit line drives at a crazy pace. Hopefully he’ll stay, provide average to above-average defense in a corner spot, and just be a doubles machine. I’m just worried about his K%, but everyone’s goes up in the majors.
Very hard for me to vote in this poll
I have been a huge Nava fan for a while now. I want to see him succeed in the big leagues, but how realistic is that? He seems to be a very solid, all-around player.
How about we just trade Jacoby, keep Nava in left and everyone’s happy?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Nava
But it’s hard to see him in the future as an impact starting outfielder on the Sox, so ultimately had to go with the 2nd choice, but it seems he should be starting for a non-contending team if that was true.
He can always prove me wrong though, and I’m more than open to it.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
“I dont care the Red Sox season is over”
Um, what? Who actully voted that?
And yeah, i think Nava’s for real
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
Wow why put that last option there...your guys season is far from over...
and as a Rockies fan and having seen Nava quite a few times already i think he is the real deal…definitely has looked impressive to start his career…now when the pitchers make there adjustments facing him more and more will he able to make adjustments also? I think he is going to be a fine OF’r for you guys in the future…best of luck tonight (well actually not really lol)….should be a good game…and why is Youk out a 2nd straight game?
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
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The last option is a joke
When they were doing badly at the beginning of the season, someone said that “I don’t care” should be an option for all the polls, so being the good listener that I am, I’ve obligingly put it as an option in all the polls I’ve done… I’m just hoping I can pull that during the World Series too…
Youk got hit in the forearm a while ago and apparently it’s bruised up a bit- probably would normally be in, but since someone needs to sit anyways with your silly NL rules, Francona’s resting him again. Should be in tomorrow, reportedly.
I wish the Rockies the best of luck starting as soon as tonight’s game is over.
same to you guys
i hate the Yankees so much i live in NJ and have to deal with there retarted fan base everyday…so best of luck to you guys and the Rays from after tonight on…knock out them Yanks….and yeah the silly NL rules or the silly DH rule…either one they have to come to an agreement i hate that both leagues are different still after all these years
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jun 24, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
in life when the masses say think one thing
do the opposite
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The kid is a professor of hitting
and he just keeps proving all the skeptics wrong at every level he has ever played at.
Go Nava, Go.
Now, he has missed the cut off man a few times just lobbing the ball back in to second base. To date, his fielding looks replacement level, although he played the Monster well at home in a small sample size.
little early to call him a professor of hitting
He’s a flash in the pan.
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Depends on where he was filming the pitchers
On the mound? Professor.
In the shower? Creepy weirdo.
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