Papelbon Blows the Save, Red Sox Streak Broken
The Red Sox were 8-0-2 in their last ten series. Going up against Ubaldo Jimenez already down 0-1, it seemed like that streak was doomed to end. But not like this.
Jonathan Papelbon, who has been far from his dominant self this year, gave up two homers in the ninth. The first, to Ian Stewart, tied the game. The second, to a pinch-hitting Jason Giambi, ended it.
The Red Sox did manage to get to Ubaldo Jimenez. Daniel Nava, Darnell McDonald, and remarkably John Lackey all had multiple hits off the NL Cy Young candidate, scoring six runs after going down 4-0 to regain the lead in a four-run sixth inning.
John Lackey, for his part, looked much more like a DH than he did a pitcher. When he kept the ball down in the zone, or spotted his curveball, he actually saw results to the tune of seven strikeouts. Too often, though, pitches up in the zone were crushed for extra bases. He pitched into the seventh inning, but gave up five runs on ten hits.
A heart breaking loss for the Sox, who give up the game to a team that hadn't come back from a seventh inning deficit in 22 opportunities this year. They'll have to hope that Daisuke can salvage a win from the series in his return from the DL tomorrow.
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Still fuming over this game
Paps just knows how to throw it right down the middle. I love it!
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
I don't have all the answers but
Why not pull Paps from the Closers role and put him back in the starting rotation. Maybe
he would pitch better every 5th day instead of back to back nights.
I don't favor "Joba treatment" for Paps
Even though he is a douche.
Just trade him and let his primadonna douchebaggery be someone elses problem.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
Dangle him to the Reds for prospects
Flip prospects for relievers.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 24, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Bard steps into closer, we get a big setup man out of the prospects.. it’s a win win. Rather have Bard be inconsistent and throw 2-3 effective pitches than Paps step in and throw one pitch down the middle all the time.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
He's been gone from the rotation for too long
I doubt they’d be able to stretch him out to where he’s effective before all of our other starters are healthy
puke
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions
Daniel Bard's slider
is dirty, stinky, filthy, nasty and it’s a pleasure to have him on our team. This lose was painful but having the team come back and take the lead after being down to Jimenez by 4-0 again tells me there is some fight in this team. Good will come out of this loss.
Good never comes out of losses.
Except now we know Bard is the closer.
Or should be
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
OK then.
Not the first time not the last.
I prefer to win though, and I take nothing out of this except what I already know.
Bard for closer.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes good can come from losses,
just ask the 2008 NY Giants.
/ runs for cover.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jun 24, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say something about 40 pitches on that arm...
…but I actually know better than to doubt Ol’ Mo
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, well if they didn’t have an off day tomorrow my guess is it’s Chopper or Gaudin out there to blow it.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jun 24, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Francona has some answering to do too. Why would you even pitch to Giambi with one out and a runner on 2nd? I would think you’d play for the double play. Giambi was in there for one reason and one reason only; to hit the long ball. Gerrardi had no problem calling for an intentional walk which loaded the bases with nobody out. Even though Rivera didn’t get the double play which was one of the reasons for loading the bases, he still got three straight outs and we dropped a game further behind. Paps is the closer and will continue to be the closer, but Tito needs to try other things from time to time. Like tonight; Bard got 4 straight outs and didn’t throw a lot of pitches. Seeing that this was the second game of this series and we had lost the first game, I don’t think it would have been a bad idea to let Bard finsh the deal.
Hey look who showed up!
There was no way we could have guessed you would have popped up after two losses, after winning or drawing 10 straight series, where was that positive post you claimed you were going to write once? There wasn’t a lack of opportunity.
You pitch to him and his .206 BA with .753 OPS because he is a shadow of the player he once was. It was clear that Papelbon didn’t have his best stuff last night, but you go with him because Bard was already out of the game and there isn’t anyone on the staff left that would be anymore reliable than a bad Papelbon. You don’t keep Bard out there because his arm will blow out before the end of the season, he’s leading the league in appearances, and then Papelbon is the only reliable reliever left, and you saw what he just did.
So Francona doesn’t have much if any answering to do. He was winning and he put his closer in for the ninth the way any other manager would. Tonight he blew a save. Closers don’t often have perfect seasons, he’s still one of the most effective closers in the game going 16/18 in save opportunities this year. It so easy to go “well bard did this, he should have stayed” in hind sight but Francona couldn’t have known Paps was going to suck last night. It’s a little cheap to call him out on something he had no control over, unless he can read minds or see the future, in that case, complain away, but I doubt it’s the case.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
So then why is it important that the only thing he's there to do is hit the longball?
Fact of the matter is that Giambi is a relatively easy out on most occasions.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 24, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
@#$%ing Giambi, even.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
Papelbon sucks !!
and who told you all that Ubaldo would get smacked around ??
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Why was it a save situation?
Don’t we all forget that Lackey has LACKED anything to justify the millions bestowed upon him in the offseason. His record isn’t that bad but his ERA is too high. If Beckett comes back to form Lackey is a #4 starter at best. Can’t we trade him away? If he would not have given up 5 runs it never would have come down to Papelbon! Glad to see Ubaldo shown what it’s like to have to pitch against good hitters. And I agree with an earlier post that good can come from losses but this Sox team has too many of these losses that are supposed to turn positive!
Becketts done as an elite pitcher.
He is too afraid of being hurt so now he pitches like he is too afraid. With this mindset, he will never get his power stuff back consistently, and also now he has the big bucks to sit back on the DL and live the good life without doing anything! Dah.
by NG on Jun 24, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I have never seen, read, heard...or even smelled...
…anything to support this stance. What, you break into his shrink’s office or something?
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
if you haven't actually read about his DL stint
he does NOT want to be on the DL. He wants to be out pitching. The Sox have basically forced him to shut down because they want him to last the life of his contract.
I’m not sure he’s pitched like he was afraid (nibbling?). He was certainly pitching like he was pretty bad earlier, but didn’t seem to be afraid of batters.
Time will tell, BUT
I stand behind my above opinion!
by NG on Jun 24, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one
who is completely and totally done with reading people’s dumb plays on words with Lackey and Lack? I mean, for real.
Yes Lackey has been bad.
Yeah, sure we can trade him away. There are TONS of teams out there looking to trade for a 31 year old pitcher who is doing badly and is signed for 4.5 more years at over $16 million a pop. TONS of them.
And there’s only 4 teams in baseball with less losses than us, not bad after that horrendous start.
It's self-preservation...
If I had to think of more inventive insults, my mind might actually wander to the five-plus years of this we may have to endure.
I’d prefer to stay safe in my fetal cocoon of denial and feigned ignorance gently rocking, gently rocking…
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 24, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you heard this one yet?
“Slackey”.
That’s a good one.
Man, there’s not much you can do about it, I’m afraid. “Skankees”, “Lackluster”, “Dustin Pedroia is short”…it’s just one more reason to hate about John Slackey being on this team. ;)
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
And yet another reason:

I feel that this should effectively quash any naysaying of Lackey naysaying.
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 24, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference between Bard and Paps is that...
when Bard’s off he’s usually walking guys, or struggling with his command. When Papelbon is off, which seems more often than not lately, the game is over in less than 5 pitches.
16/18 is fine. But the guys got an ERA in the mid 3’s and as your closer thats pathetic. How many times has paps come on during a big lead and given up a “meaningless” run or two?
Bottom line, he’s not dominant anymore, and not someone that is dependable in big spots. Trade him.
But you have to look at how his ERA got there. He’s allowed 14 runs (12 earned) so far in 29 appearances. 7 of them (more than half of his ERA) comes from just 2 bad games. When he’s on, he’s on and as affective as any other closer in baseball. When he’s bad, way less often that he is good, he’s bad.
Trade him and do what with our bullpen? It’s already bad, why trade our second most effective reliever and move our most reliable pitcher into a spot where he has less impact on a game?
That’s not to say that Papelbon is still great, he is declining obviously but I think he will still be effect by the end of his contract and we let him walk.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I don't care about his number of blown saves
I care about how his K/9, BB/9 and HR/9 are all at their worst levels since he became our closer. I care that his HR%/FB% is way too high, his FIP and xFIP are both too high, and his K/BB is way too low, all the while doing this with a BABIP that is actually lower than his career average.
Sadly, we just don’t have the manpower to replace him, so it’s not like we can just trade him.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 24, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally over Papelbum
Thanks for ’07, now enjoy NY.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
Well Mo is getting old and Papelbon wants to get PAID, they’re the only franchise that might be dumb enough to pay the man.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Nah, they're dumb in the way they'll make Joba the closer, not overpay Paps
Watch the Royals trade away Soria and then give Paps a huge contract. Now they’re dumb too.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure I'd call them a dumb franchise
I’d probably call the Royals a dumb franchise, definitely not the Yankees. If his numbers don’t improve, no way they’d pay him.
Hey look
Two “NY isn’t that dumb, now the Royals, they sure are stupid” posts back-to-back!
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
My head is spinning at the Yankee defense.
It’s not like they haven’t made some questionable calls lately, signing a nearly 300 pound pitcher through 2015, locking up ARod through his early 40s, who knows what sort of deal Rivera or Jeter is going to get.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
because, they can afford risks
but they’re not giving out contracts to bad or declining players (with the probable exception of Jeter’s contract as he declines for obvious reasons). Sure they spend plenty of money, because they can.
Here's to hoping?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I love this loss.
It was awesome the even had a lead to lose and if you can take anything good out of a loss, that’s a great thing. Pap’s the closer until he loses his stuff or leaves as a free-agent. Anybody can have a bad inning, Bard included. This game will be the catalyst for another epic run, 1st place by the all-star break.
disclaimer:
I don’t necessarily agree with everything I just said and any claims to the contrary will be met the most stringent denials as well as the possibility of a class action lawsuit.
by SendEmHomeKim on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Paps HAS lost his stuff.
He can’t spot on the corners anymore, and his secondary offerings have gone to hell. You can throw 95 all day, but it doesn’t make you effective by itself.
The job was his to lose. In my opinion, he’s done enough to have lost it.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Strangely...
…less concerned about this than the earlier Yankees sheet-pooping. Probably has something to do with it not being the Yankees.
I still want to punch Paps in the crotch, I’m still convinced that he’s a one-dimensional guy without the 99 mph high heater needed to justify his variety-FAIL, and I’m still concerned that his douche-to-awesome ratio yields some kinda vast number which need to be expressed with greek letters and exponents. I’m also certain that we can pawn him off for value at some point, and my anticipation for that day is rapidly growing.
However, my disgust is pretty much limited to Paps and not everyone else. In that regard, he’s still pretty effective against sucky teams and the sucky parts of decent line-ups. Therefore useful to the Sox provided there’s nothing particular at stake in the outcome of the game…
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 24, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
But if it's a save situation tonight,
Jonathan will be the one getting the call to the bullpen and being asked to get back up on the back of the horse without getting bucked off. Can different results be expected?
yes...
because expecting him to give up 2 home runs and not getting an out every time up would be silly…
Paps is not one to ride sidesaddle.
He does need to get the ball down in the zone tonight;
Pitch F/X:
I don't know...
… but crotchal punching tendencies aside, I trust him more than Bard and Scott “Creepy Serial Killer” Atchinson.
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 24, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
FRAK!
That should be:
I trust him more than anyone not named Bard and Scott "Creepy Serial Killer" Atchinson.
Wow. Proofing FAIL.
Wait 'til next/this year?
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 24, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
New day. Tonight's line up is in. No Youk again.
6 Scutaro
7 Nava
4 Pedroia
3 Ortiz
5 Beltre
2 Varitek
8 Cameron
9 Reddick
1 Matsuzaka
why is Youk out again?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
His arm is bruised where he got hit a while ago
would be in normally, but since someone needs to sit, he gets to rest. Should be back tomorrow.
OK good.
Youk seems a little banged up this year, but hes still hitting.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

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