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Relief for the Pen?

Bullpen. Can one word convey such foreboding, such imminent promise of despair?  Since time immemorial, relief pitching has been bemoaned and bewailed.  Bullpens are subject to more changes and fads than modern art or public education.

There's a simple rule that governs whether pitchers start or relieve: any pitcher that is good enough to start, does. Players with only two 'plus' pitches go to the pen; players who tire after 4-5 innings or the 2nd or 3rd time through the lineup go to the pen; players who are so mediocre they barely belong in pro baseball, let alone MLB... end up in the pen.  As a result, the pool of relief pitching is pretty bad. By which I mean wretched, awful, horrific.

There is a small pool of players who are reliably good, among the vast sweltering masses of torpid players.  These individuals are collectively known as "closers." An even smaller core of setup men are reliably good. But most relievers vacillate, often wildly, between success and horrific failure.

Against this backdrop, the Red Sox have developed a strategy for their pen. Find a relief ace (Foulke, Papelbon), put some guys under club control with good stuff around him (Bard, Okajima, Delcarmen) and surround them with journeymen middle relievers. The last ingredient is prayer - the fervent, fervid hope that this unwieldy assemblage is successful.

So let's take a closer look at how this strategy is playing out. [Click Continue Reading for More]

Star-divide

Last year, the pen worked out pretty well. Check out these numbers:

Papelbon         1.85 ERA, 3.05 FIP
Bard                  3.65 ERA, 3.38 FIP
Wagner            1.98 ERA, 2.58 FIP
Saito                 2.43 ERA, 4.25 FIP
Ramirez           2.84 ERA, 4.46 FIP
Okajima           3.39 ERA, 4.20 FIP     
Delcarmen      4.53 ERA, 4.62 FIP
 Overall Relievers   3.80 ERA (vs. 4.60 for starters)           

In fact, throughout the year the pen was a team strength. At the trade deadline, the team acquired Billy Wagner, who reinforced that strength, with his successful performance.  As a result, the Sox cruised into the playoffs with one of the best pens in baseball, which didn't matter at all when their offense did nothing and their closer blew a key save.

This year, things are different.

Papelbon          2.86 ERA, 4.65 FIP
Bard                   2.29 ERA, 3.61 FIP
Ramirez            5.13 ERA, 4.99 FIP
Delcarmen       2.25 ERA, 5.07 FIP
Atchison            4.05 ERA, 4.43 FIP
Okajima            4.24 ERA, 4.76 FIP
Schoenweiss   7.90 ERA, 5.33 FIP
 Overall Relievers     4.23 ERA (vs. 4.30 for starters)

While three players have sub-3 ERAs, we've got a grand total of one reliever with a FIP below 4 (last season we had three).  Some of this comes from replacing great relievers like Wagner and Saitos with journeymen like our two Scotts, or old DOA veterans like Joe Nelson (and his DFA'd 9.72 ERA). But some of it is also yearly variation, as players like Okajima, Ramon Ramirez, and even Jonathan Papelbon, play worse ball than they did last year.

Relief pitchers are very hard to project, and excepting closers and a handful of elite setup men (e.g. Detroit's Zumaya). While our pen is worse than last year's, I'm not terribly concerned. First of all, it's early enough that players like RamRam or Oki could settle down and provide us with good performances. Second, we still have a good closer (Paps) and an elite relief ace (Bard), which is more than some teams can say. Third, there's not much that Theo can, or should, do to improve it.

Last year, we had a superb pen. Come October, it didn't make any difference at all. The 2010 squad's success will depend more on continued strength from our offense (in light of all the injuries), and on our starting rotation, which can keep the pen out of games, than on our bullpen. Grabbing one or two successful new relievers is no guarantee they will be successful (see Gagne, Eric). And we shouldn't be wasting prospects on relievers, who are either going to be too costly in trade (Kelly+ for a good reliever) or unlikely to be much better than what we have.

When Theo hits the trade market, he'll probably be on the look out for relievers. But I'd rather see him focus on getting a serviceable starter on a short-term deal, or more depth / quality for the outfield, than fretting about the pen.

Poll
How worried are you about the Red Sox bullpen?
Not very. Bard and Papelbon is enough to win a lot of games, and the others aren't too bad.
200 votes
I'm worried. The Sox could end up losing some close games in middle-relief. Theo should find them some help.
224 votes
Desperately worried. Without 2 or more former closers, the bullpen will do them in and keep them out of the playoff.
15 votes
[Takes a breath, puts down Vuvuzela] ... What's a bullpen?
28 votes

467 votes | Poll has closed

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Atchison

After Atchison’s performance Friday night, I’m willing take a step back from the ledge a little bit. I mean, I know it is only one outing, but goddamn! He looked like a mean m@#$erf@#$er out there! If a squirrel hadda run out onto the field, he would have eaten it. I’m sure of it.

If he can come anywhere close to that from here on in, I’m less worried. I still have faith in MDC. I’d still like another arm for the pen, but I think you’re right in that it’s not worth giving up too much prospect-wise for it. But, yeah. We need something there for sure.

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by Bloggy on Jun 21, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Because

I’m also concerned their gonna blow Bard’s arm off.

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by Bloggy on Jun 21, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

you and me both

rather see them lose a couple

that pitch Bard so often

by Frank Malzone on Jun 21, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could we offer the Padres

Any two Sox bullpen members of their choosing (not named Bard or Papelbon) in return for one of theirs (not named Mujica)?

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by lone1c on Jun 21, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd definitely like one more high-leverage arm

Other than that I’d be willing to roll the dice on the rest of the pen (with Richardson, Manuel and even Bowden ready to contribute if possible). I’m worried, but not desperately so.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Jun 21, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

My mom always says,

“bullpen arms are like spaghetti. Just throw em’ against the wall and see if they stick.”

by SendEmHomeKim on Jun 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Your mom is cool.

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by Bloggy on Jun 21, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need at least one more reliable arm and that is our greatest need. Which is nice to say now, being the second best team in baseball. It’s been nice to get here without a very reliable bullpen, but we would be the best team in baseball if we had that extra arm.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

We do need another arm

Another STRONG option out of the ‘pen. As much as I like Atchison (and always have, mind you), he’s not going to be a “go-to” guy. Bard could break down. Who knows what we’ll get from Papelbon, MDC, RamRam, Oki, etc.?

If we could get an arm like Wagner’s again — which, granted, is rare — the Sox could be in very good shape…

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by Randy Booth on Jun 21, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do need a reliable arm, just so we don't kill Bard

Other than that, they’ve been making some moves I’ve liked, so I’m less worried about it than I was last week. Brought up Manuel, got rid of Boof. I assume Richardson is only there for the time being. I think someone good needs to take Ramirez’ spot.

by wolf9309 on Jun 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The answer is probably going to habe to be from within

I doubt anybody’s going to cough up a reliable reliever at a price Epstein’s willing to pay. (Kelly plus anything is an absolutely ridiculous trade, as there’s almost no way the Sox break even. A slightly improved chance at the World Series is not worth trading a potential front-end starter.)

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by lone1c on Jun 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Welll....

Look at how the Sox acquired Wagner last year. That was cheap. AND they got draft picks. If we could do that every year, why the hell not?…

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by Randy Booth on Jun 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly Kelly wouldn't go for any reliever, in pretty much any circumstance

But not all deals begin and end with Kelly… There’s a fair amount of other useful chips in the Sox system. I’d prefer the answer to come from within for sure, but no guarantee that will work out.

by wolf9309 on Jun 21, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

With our starters presumably getting healthier, we won't need additional bullpen arms.

I’m more worried about sending Bill Hall to the outfield every other day. I don’t think Cameron will come back to his usual level anytime this year. Ellsbury’s still out and Drew can be fragile. Nava has been terrific, but so was D-Mac until he came back down to earth. We need a reliable OF when we can move Lowell.

by dsharp on Jun 21, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, I forgot about Hermida.

Other than Hall, who is Hermida better than in the OF? Even if Nava drops to D-Mac level, they’re both still better than Hermida. I think Hermida and Lowell are prime trade deadline candidates.

by dsharp on Jun 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to forget about Hermida

until you brought him up. :(

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by Bloggy on Jun 21, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nava has played in all of what, 5 big league games?

Lets calm down with the slob-fest and calling him better than Hermida just yet.

by RockEmSoxEm on Jun 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of bullpen arms,

how impressive was Ronald Belisario? That guy has really good stuff. If Mike Gonzalez gets healthy, he could be a nice addition.

by SendEmHomeKim on Jun 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

VUVUZELA!!!!
They really need another guy they can go to besides Bard.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Good enough?

Who cares if the Sox bullpen is better than most teams with Papplebon and Bard? Is it good enough to get to the postseason and compte there? As of this date, I say it is not. While I agree that there is some time here for Oki/DelCarmen/Rameriz to come around, that window is shriking fast.
As good as the starting pitching has been lately, there are still very important games to be played against division rivals Yankees and Rays that will get to the Sox bullpen in the 6th inning, Yakees especially. Francona will need reliable guys he can put in there to get through the 6th and 7th innings before Bard/Papplebon.
I belive the Sox will try out some more pitchers from the minors like Bowden and I believe they just called up a pitcher that was doing very well in Pawtucket. Trading for bullpen help is difficult, because you have to give up something for a very part time player and every contending team is looking for bullpen help. Most are not burdens on team payroll, unless they are an expensive closer on an out of contention team, see Gagne for a bad example. While everybody, includign me, liked that trade, wouldn’t it be nice to have David Murphy in the OF now? The Bagwell/Anderson trade long ago is the most glaring example of this.

by Scoop1981 on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Say Manuel pans out...and pitches as lights out in the bigs as he did in AAA.

With Manuel, Bard, and Paps. Couple in Atchison (hope he keeps it going), and Delcarmen and Oki, our bullpen is pretty reliable. Ram Ram is a light switch, and when he’s on, he’s great, but when he’s off, he’s unwatchable.

We will see. I think we should make a move for one or two more arms in the pen, but I wouldn’t wanna be too rash.

by RockEmSoxEm on Jun 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed....

But big if’s with Manuel ad Atchison. Really need a solid 7th inning guy when facing tough teams. Oki, Delecarmen and Ram may help get though a tough inning, but need someone to be able to get 3 outs against R/L hitters both.

by Scoop1981 on Jun 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

As many have stated

This is a buyers market and few teams have the $$$ to trade. If the Sox are willing to pay for most of the contracts, they should be able to get a solid relief arm for little in terms of prospects.

Supply/Demand. Demand is low and there is a large groups of teams looking to dump salary, Red Sox will have a pick of some top relief arms.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 21, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but....

Many of the pending FA guys are not big money contracts. while the team may be willing to move the pitcher and the money, they want somethig decent in return. If they don’t get it, they can simply hang onto the player without much pain.
From Cotts Baseball Contracts, here is the list of relief pitchers for FA at the end of the season (* designates 2011 option):

Jeremy Affeldt SF
Grant Balfour TB
Jesse Crain MIN
Scott Downs TOR
Chad Durbin PHI
Kyle Farnsworth KC *
Pedro Feliciano NYM
Jason Frasor TOR
Brian Fuentes LAA *
Chad Gaudin NYY
Matt Guerrier MIN
Aaron Heilman ARZ
Mike Lincoln CIN
Brian Moehler HOU
J.J. Putz CWS
Chad Qualls ARZ
Jon Rauch MIN
Arthur Rhodes CIN
David Riske MIL *
Mariano Rivera NYY
J.C. Romero PHI *
Bobby Seay DET
Scott Shields LAA
Brian Shouse BOS
Matt Thornton CWS *
Kerry Wood CLE *

If you subtract the teams in contention, and less likey to trade talent, that does not leave much. Wood is certainly avaialable if the Sox want to take on his $5+ mil. for the rest of the season and the option is a club option. Farnsworth is a good pitcher, but not a big money guy ($4 mil for 2010 and club option for about the same in 2011), so he is a good example of a guy that may be got, but would cost a decent prospect or two.

by Scoop1981 on Jun 21, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any salary relief is still an advantage.

there are only like 5 teams buying this off season and the Sox can take some money off teams who are salary strapped.

Hey, is Mariano available? =) LOL just joking.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 21, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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