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What to do about the Boston bullpen?

A few weeks into the season, it seemed like finally everything was clicking into place.  At last, the starters were putting together some consistent quality starts and the offense was outperforming what anyone had dreamed during the offseason.  The defense was also improving over the first couple of weeks as the new guys grew accustomed to their new home.  There was just one thing that most everyone could agree was not championship caliber.

The Bullpen.

led by the less-impressive-than-ever Papelbon and the startlingly-good Daniel Bard, the bullpen has been a source of weakness through the year.  The pitchers who did well for the Red Sox in the past- such as Hideki Okajima and Ramon Ramirez just barely seemed to have anything in the tank this year.  That, combined with a flood of new, ineffective relievers- in Schoeneweis, Nelson, Atchison, Embree, and Bonser- have Sox fans the world over sweating everything a starter leaves the game- now matter how big the lead. So lets look at a few of the options the Red Sox have to right this ship and have effective pitching through the last few innings.

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First of all, the best place to get relievers is through the minor leagues.  The pitchers cost practically nothing in money and nothing in valuable prospects, which we like to hoard so much.  Fortunately, the Red Sox do have a few arms in Pawtucket who could very well make an impact this year.

First of all, because he's actually in Boston right now (though probably not to stay yet), is Dustin Richardson.  Richardson is a powerful lefty, which has many Sox fans salivating as it really is exactly what the bullpen could use to complement Bard- an effective left-handed reliever.  Unfortunately, although his ERA looks good, at at 2.78 in 32.1 innings, and his strikeouts are at 42, he's also managed to walk 24 players in that short time.  Moving up to the majors, with generally more patient batters, that mark is pretty sure to get worse, so the Sox have been hoping he'll be able to improve his control in order to be an effective reliever in Boston.  He'll certainly be up for quite a while this year, but for now, I'm expecting him to go back to Pawtucket once Doubront gets called up on friday.

Secondly is Robert Manuel, with whom the great mystery is why he is not yet on the Major league roster.  So far, in 34.2 AAA innings this year, he has struck out 30 while only walking 7 (better than a 4:1 k:bb!) and just 25 hits (none of them homeruns), good for a 1.04 ERA.  He has been much more effective against righties than lefties, but has retained good control and pitched effectively against both.  The Red Sox are bound to realize at some point very soon that they pretty much need to give him a shot in the Majors.  He has proven all he can prove in AAA and needs to be given a chance in Boston.

Third of all, the man who will be starting on Friday, Felix Doubront.  After looking better last year than he had before, this lefty starter has been absolutely dominating in 2010, earning himself a promotion first from AA to AAA, and then up to Boston to take Daisuke Matsuzaka's place while he is on the disabled list.  So far this year in 59.2 innings between Portland and Pawtucket, he has posted a 2.11 ERA with 54 K's to 22 BBs.  These numbers have actually looked even better since his promotion to AAA, in the 4 games he's started there.  The one thing that may keep him out of the bullpen is that he has proven that he has the potential to be a very effective starter, so they're going to want to devote most of his time for the year there.  Still, as he approaches an innings limit near the end of the year, they could call him up for a bit to lend a hand to the big league club.  I'm fairly sure we'll also end up seeing him for more than just the one spot start this year.

Fourth of all, Michael Bowden, who has seen his stock fall over the last couple of years as very few have.  While, after struggling in the majors last year, he has followed up by struggling in Pawtucket, he has looked improved over his last few starts.  If he can continue this and Boof Bonser continues to be incapable of getting Major League outs, Bowden is a logical choice to convert to a reliever and use him in the sort of role that Masterson filled in his days as a Red Sox.

There's a few more who could make it, but those are the main guys who I think will make an impact this year.  If he has a great finish, Alex Wilson may be a long shot to come up for the year as well.

Apart from the minor league system, we're finally getting to the time of year where some teams are making players available by trade.  Two teams are pretty openly willing to sell- the White Sox and the Diamondbacks, but there are a few more who would probably willing to listen- the Mariners, Orioles, Royals, and Indians are probably all clearly going to end up as sellers at this point.  Some of these guys might have arms available.

Probably the most appealing would come from the White Sox- a healthy Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, and J.J. Putz all would have their own appeal to the Red Sox.  A hard-throwing lefty, Thornton is probably the most appealing to the Sox' needs- probably also the most expensive though, as he is a very effective pitcher and comes with a club option for 2011.  Putz would probably be the easiest to acquire as he is gone after this year and is more of a wildcard from year to year.  Still, he can be an effective reliever and may appeal.  Jenks, if he can return to his previous form, can also be quite an effective pitcher, but is coming off injury and, as a closer will be quite expensive to acquire.  Any of these guys becoming available will probably have several teams after them, and it's still not too late for the White Sox to decide that they're still in it for this year.

The Orioles have little to offer- probably the most readily available would be Will Ohman, a perennial mediocre middle reliever.  He would have little value to the Sox and there's really no reason we would want to give anything of value to a division rival in exchange for an unimpressive bullpen arm.

The Diamondbacks bullpen is probably up for grabs, but is currently sporting an ERA that looks like the final score of a blowout football game and peripherals to match, so lets not go there.

The Mariners probably might as well sell at this point, but have little that is too worth it.  Brandon League is a pretty good bullpen arm, and David Aardsma can be a great closer, but they may not be in a hurry to get rid of either if they plan to compete in the next year or two.

Certainly there's some other options out there.  What do you think?  Any particularly good options that come to mind or thoughts on any of these pitchers.  Certainly, we're approaching the point where something has to be done.

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SD has some young arms, but supposedly Hoyer

doesn’t want to sell.

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by BoldandBrash on Jun 17, 2010 9:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah their bullpen is great

but it’s one of the things that’s been most effective at keeping them just a half game behind in the NL West. I don’t see them selling, barring a giant losing streak. They’d probably be willing to give up a piece of their pen for some serious immediate outfield help, but I’m not sure I see that happening with the Red Sox.

by wolf9309 on Jun 17, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

We gotta try whatever works

Try something. Clearly what we have isn’t very effective, it would be difficult to make them worse. I don’t think we can screw up Bowden much more than we have so give him a try, his last few starts have been promising. I don’t like the idea of keeping Felix up. I don’t mind him spot starting for Dice-K while he’s out but I feel like we’ve rushed pitchers in the past and it’s hurt them. Tazawa, Bowden, Buch for example. Buch pulled it around but had to go through some more time in the minors to do so. I would rather Felix spend as much time as possible in AAA before bringing him up, and doing it for good.

I’m still puzzled about Manuel, why isn’t he here already?

If Thorton become available I think that is where we should start our look from outside if from within doesn’t work out. But there isn’t an excuse for why Boof frickin Bonser is a major leaguer right now.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 17, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah I really think that Bowden ultimately needs to take Boof's spot on the roster

I assume, the Sox want to give him another shot or two in verrrry low pressure situations before sending him on his way, but he just doesn’t seem to have anything going for him.

I think keeping people like Ramirez and Atchison on the roster is completely inexcusable when there’s someone like Manuel itching to come up. I would really, really like to see them just DFA Ramirez and give Manuel his spot.

by wolf9309 on Jun 17, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK I love Bard, but they are using him too much, and are reylying on him too much. Last night was an example of that. We need more reliable arms.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, not sure why he went to Bard

two nights in a row when we had a decent (4 run) lead last night. Gonna wear out his arm.

by wolf9309 on Jun 17, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that really worries me
Shoulda went to Richardson.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 17, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have big concerns about the wear and tear on Bard.

We need bullpen help if for no other reason than to not blow-out Bard.

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bard threw 65.1 innings last year

and is on pace for 82 IP this year. Pete Abe asked the same question today:

Link:

If some bullpen help comes in near the trade deadline, they will be able to give him a break.
Now, go get us some help.

by went9 on Jun 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need two arms, Stat on the ASAP.

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I was wondering yesterday, “why in the world is he in there with a 4 run lead????” They need to find another guy quickly.
Saw an article on Coello, who also took a strange route to the Sox. But he’s pitched well. He’s another option to try w/in the organization.

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by cavman on Jun 17, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing

Hard times when you have to use Bard & Pap to hold a 4 run lead.

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Thronton's probably not going to happen.

Bobby Jenks on the other hand could be had and I like him. As for the Padres guys, I haven’t seen them enough to say but Padres pitchers are kind of like Rangers hitters in that you can’t be anything close to sure they’ll do for you what they did for them.

by SendEmHomeKim on Jun 17, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

We dont need a closer, we need middle relif

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 17, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not like a different position

Gagne had a whole other host of reasons besides not closing for doing badly, but no need to get into that here.

by wolf9309 on Jun 17, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly...

This has to be one of the most misunderstood aspects of baseball today. A guy who can get outs in the 7th can get outs in the 9th and vice versa.

by SendEmHomeKim on Jun 17, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if we lobbied to have the games shortened to 7 innings...

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Joe West would still complain.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe West. Nothing is good enough for that guy.

Except restaurants that take the phrase “all you can eat” literally.

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arizona's biggest problem

is their bullpen. They have lost many of their games late as the bullpen coughed up leads. The only guy I’d want is the rookie they just got from Oakland- and that is not going to happen.

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by cavman on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

The Pen - BZ style

DFA Ramirez and call up Robert Manuel
DFA Atchison and call up Michael Bowden

Pen: Bonser, Richardson, Bowden, Manuel, Bard, Oki, Paps

Work a trade for another arm (Lowell +) and then send back down which ever youngster is not cutting it – Richardson or Bowden.

Heck if our bullpen is going to be questionable – it might as well be with younger guys with upside

by BobZupcic on Jun 17, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

no need to DFA Atchison,

He’s got options and then we’d just have 2 open spots on the 40 man. He might be able to find something in the minors

by wolf9309 on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re keeping Bonser? I assume this is for the “What a frigin mess we have here” long relief role? Otherwise I’d take RamRam over him.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is really not a big deal.

There are so few teams willing to add payroll that finding one or two relief arms will be very easy and very cheap in terms of prospects.

The Sox should have their choice of a long list of relief pitchers.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 17, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

New Idea!

Let’s send a list of our top 20 prospects to Colorado and tell them to pick 10 in exchange for Jimenez. Meanwhile, watch Star Wars Episode II until we can successfully reverse engineer the cloning chambers and stockpile ourselves with storm troopers, er, Jimenezes to fill the rotation. Problem solved because we won’t need a bullpen.

This guy is certainly fighting off the regression to the mean as hard as he can.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

What we need to do is watch Back to the Future eleventy hundred times until we can perfect time travel and go back and Pedros ’97 thru 2003. Also, if you could pick up 1993 Elle MacPherson and deliver her to my house, that would be good, too.

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHEM. *go back and GET Pedros....

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be cheaper in terms of prospects. I’m on board with this.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 17, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, it's a better movie.

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by Bloggy on Jun 17, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the amount of arms in the Sox pen, and the way things have been shuffled around due to injury, Papelbon’s leave of absence, etc., I wonder if they wouldn’t be better off just scrapping the “closer” style bullpen and just matching up late in games.

Bill James, Theo, and Francona have always been willing to defy convention, and I don’t think any sabermetricly inclined minds are going to argue that saving your best pitcher for the 9th is optimizing the pen. I think you guys would be best served with the following:

Papelbon has always been good at getting out of jams (career 85% LOB), so either he’s great at pitching out of the stretch, or can reach back for something extra on his fastball when he needs it. He could be used very well as a fireman-type reliever. Somebody else gets in a jam in the 7th or 8th? Bring in Paps to put out the fire.

Use Okajima as a primary matchup lefty out of the pen. Not necessarily a LOOGY, but look to use him when the oppositions best lefties are up. Bard can be used at any point, 7th, 8th, 9th. And everyone else could be used in lower leverage situations.

The only question is, could Papelbon’s ego handle the perceived “demotion?” (probably not, if you ask me)

by Lord Duggan on Jun 17, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh No!

This is the dreaded “bullpen by committee”. The Sox tried this in 2003 for a couple of months and it was a misreable failure. They had to go out and trade for Buyng Kim (!) to stabilize the situation, if you can believe that.
The trouble is nobody can know if the jam in the 7th or 8th inning represents the key point in the game. A sucessful team needs a couple of pitchers that can get through the “bridge” innings, and have a top closer for the 9th in a close game.
Also, and you slide rule and pocket protector dudes won’t like this, but there is something to players knowing their roles, and closers must have a special makeup/attitude to come in to a game knowing the game is on their shoulders.

by Scoop1981 on Jun 18, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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