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Lester's 8 and Hermida's Double Push Red Sox Past Angels

It looked like a case of here today, gone tomorrow for the Red Sox' offense. After scoring 17 runs in Monday's game, the Sox managed only one through the first 7 innings, suffering from their usual problem of stranded baserunners.

Jon Lester managed to carry the team through the first 7 innings despite their offensive troubles. The team's ace again looked like its ace, allowing only 1 run on 3 hits and a walk going into the 8th. It was there where he hit serious trouble.

Coming into the inning with 97 pitches already on his arm, Lester gave up back-to-back singles to start the inning. The Angels bunted the runners along, and Lester gave up a walk to Erick Aybar to load the bases with one out. With his 120th pitch, Lester threw a 94 mile per hour fastball high and tight to Bobby Abreu, who grounded it towards second. Pedroia snagged the grounder, tagged Aybar (who went to the ground trying to avoid him) between first and second, and, stumbling, flipped the ball to Youkilis to end the inning.

The bottom of the 8th inning was no less dramatic. Turning to their usually effective reliever Kevin Jepsen, the Angels found themselves in quick trouble thanks to back-to-back walks to Victor Martinez and Kevin Youkilis. J.D. Drew followed up with a single to load the bases with 0 outs for David Ortiz, who had already killed 2 rallies, leaving 4 on base. With a 2-0 count, Ortiz swung at a fastball slightly low and down the middle, and grounded into a 4-2-3 double play.

Down to just one out now, and still needing the go-ahead run, Adrian Beltre walked to reload the bases, giving Jeremy Hermida the pivotal at bat. Jeremy, in his first game back from a quad injury, took the first two pitches for balls before Jepsen fought back to even the count at 2-2. On the fifth pitch of the at bat, a belt-high fastball on the outer part of the plate, Hermida swung, lifting the ball to left field and over the head of Juan Rivera, planting it at the base of the monster for a bases clearing double. Mike Lowell added a 4th run by doubling in Hermida, and Papelbon closed out the game with a 1-2-3 9th inning, giving the Sox their second win of the series.

Star-divide

Game Notes:

  • Believe it or not, Lester's ERA is down to 3.93 now. It's like clockwork, this April thing.
  • Drew continues his comeback, with a single and a double. He also hit a ball hard at Morales, who deflected it into foul territory for an error.
  • Papelbon looked absolutely nasty tonight, striking out the first batter with a mean Splitter. It's good to see him mixing something other than the straight fastball in to great effectiveness again.
  • Marco Scutaro lead the team with 3 hits, scoring the first run of the game after a leadoff double in the first inning. He also made a terrific defensive play, ranging to his left and doing a jump-throw to catch the runner at first. It was an RBI groundout that tied the game in the 4th, but Scutaro probably stopped it from being a 2 RBI single, and even got an out.
  • Ortiz looked absolutely lost at the plate again tonight, swinging at some miserable pitches in the dirt, and grounding into two double plays. With Lowell and Hermida hitting as well as they are, it's going to be difficult to justify much more playing time for the fallen slugger.

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Love the win

But it’s about time Ortiz had a magical shadow DL stint.

by Raj Ghetia on May 4, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

PLEASE!

I LOVE PEDROIA!!! ITS MAN LOVE!

by kraken613 on May 4, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not quite yet.

he still has this month to prove himself in reduced time.

by revived0103 on May 4, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This seems to be case

I think it was mentioned that he’s pretty much got until May is over to prove that he can produce for at least average.

And then Tito and Theo & Co. will decide then.

by Raj Ghetia on May 4, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

impossible

but if true, then just egh

by revived0103 on May 5, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

there was an unsubstantiated rumor that a "friend" had said to the media that he was hiding a wrist injury

which sounds to me like a complete media fabrication. For one thing, proud as he may be, if he was injured, he would probably bring it up so it wouldn’t seem like he was toast, just injured.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but let's be smart here..

Lowell is raking right now and I think until he cools off he gets the full time DH spot, or just have Ortiz start only against righties and Lowell against lefties. The angels are a lot better of a team than they’ve been these last two games but as of last weekends games I’m all for anything thats puts up numbers in the win column.

by leftcoastsoxfan on May 4, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lowell is already starting against lefties

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 4, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutly disagree

He is costing us games big time. We dont have the luxury to wait for him like last year. DL and rehab starts in AAA thats the place where he can find his swing not the majors. 2GIDP and 2 K’s – 7 men left on base, he is killing us right now. We need to maximize the chances to win as many games as possible and right now Ortiz needs to out of the lineup for that.

by German Red Sox Fan on May 5, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

when you have a career .918 OPS,

and when you went through an EXACTLY SIMILAR SITUATION the year before and came out of it quite well, then you do have to wait for him. And they do have that luxury since it is early May. There is no doubt that ortiz has greater upside as a hitter than mike lowell, even a declining ortiz. His career numbers plus what he did last year show us that. If Mike Lowell can continue to hit for power as the DH, then he’d be a fine solution. But Ortiz, even with lots of regression is still way better than Mike Lowell. So it really is worth it for the Sox to perhaps allow a few lousy at bats to occur in May, if it means that they could get born-again Papi for the rest of the year.

by revived0103 on May 5, 2010 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't have any luxury

We’re 7 games out in the toughest division in baseball.

Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway

by Sean O on May 5, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

seven games

is really nothing. if it was five then you’d be fine

by revived0103 on May 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're 5.5 games out

You don’t have to win the division to make the playoffs.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 5, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but I say it's still too early to settle for the wild card

lets keep the 7 games in our sights now. If it doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen in September then we can tell ourselves “wild card is practically the same thing”

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

I’m not even looking at the standings right now. My point was that we are closer to playoff position than 7 games.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 5, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur with revived, wolf & drugs.

What a strange sentence I just wrote ….

by mmmmm on May 5, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 teams in front of us for the beast is the concern

twins & tigers playing for 2 post season spots – both are in front of us for the wild card.

west is least best with no clear team – so hopefully, no wild card threat.

it’s not the 7 games – it’s the 7 teams in front of us in the al

but, we are trending in the right direction.

by Mick Lowe on May 5, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully, Rivera sucks in LF

Hermida’s “double” should have been caught.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 4, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Could have been, no doubt.

Well hit none-the-less. You put it in play, good things will happen.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 4, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I also recall Rivera misplaying game winning hit last year against the Sox.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 4, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah oh yeah

landed right in front of him as he gave up

by revived0103 on May 5, 2010 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

That splitter by Papelbon was pure awesome.

When he has that pitch working for him like tonight, he is unbelievable.

by mmmmm on May 4, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

He looked great

He’s throwing the splitter more, which is a good thing.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 4, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ortiz is done, and don't tell me the 2-HR game marked a major turnaround.

Babe Ruth retired a few games into his last season after struggling quite similarly to Ortiz right now, and yet Ruth had a 3-HR game just a week before he shut it down for good.

by dsharp on May 4, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Meaning...

If he had the option of DHing, he woulda kept playing (arguably).

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

ACTUALLY, advanced metrics show that that wasn't "premature".

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on May 5, 2010 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think fielding was ever what was keeping him in the game

now mind you, if ball players had been making $13 million/year at the time (or the inflation adjusted equivalent), he probably would’ve been slower to retire.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not necessarily making the argument he WOULD have held on.

However, if Babe didn’t have to be bothered with fielding duties, he might have shown up to the park and swung the bat a bit longer. It’s certainly plausible.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

ACTUALLY, advanced metrics show that that wasn't "premature".

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on May 5, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair 'nuff

he could do his drinking while the other team was batting.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY my point, m'man.

Go on a bender all night, spend most of the game the next day ridin’ the pine.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

ACTUALLY, advanced metrics show that that wasn't "premature".

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on May 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow tough on a guy who really helped you finally win a WS

but he has really become a liability. it is tough though, because of last seasons numbers after the bad start.

Lowell is going to force the situation if he hits well another game or 2

by Rickfansince76 on May 5, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Wakefield

How many wins does he need to tie the club record? Something like 17 right?

Now that he’s in a long relief role, do you think he’ll get those Ws?

by Raj Ghetia on May 4, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

recommended

for being easily the most optimistic and refreshing thing I’ve read about the sox all year.

by revived0103 on May 5, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree…. it just takes a little bit to adjust and hopefully we can continue to “click” and Ells and Cam will be back soon!

by JLS89 on May 5, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys!

This may be a Red Sox blog, but Celtic Green always looks good on a post! :-)

I’m just trying to be ‘realistically optimistic’. Small numbers are tricky to read, but it SEEMs as if we are starting to turn a corner. A 162 game season is full of highs and lows. We are due for a run of highs, (I hope).

by mmmmm on May 5, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

somehow reading that

just made me feel like they were a good team again, as opposed to a shitty one. it was nice.

by revived0103 on May 6, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pedroia Stayin' Classy

Even though Ortiz clearly stinks it up right now, I gotta love how Dustin’s sticking up for him:

"David’s fine," Pedroia said. "He’s one of our teammates. We believe in him. He’s going to come out of it. He’s had 60 at-bats.

"A couple of years ago I had 60 at-bats and it was me hitting .170 and everybody was ready to kill me, too. Then what happened?" said Pedroia, who was batting .172 on May 1, 2007, but went on to win the AL Rookie of the Year. "Laser show."

Quote from the AP article about the game.

by Raj Ghetia on May 5, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd love that

I vaguely remember Tek saying something to that effect too, so if our current captain approves of it…

by Maeamian on May 5, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pedroia is clearly evolving into the clubhouse leader on this team.

Even without the “C”.

And he’s dead-on right.

Ortiz may indeed be ‘done’. But its still too soon to say that with certainty.

by mmmmm on May 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all fairness

Ortiz looks way better than last year. I just have no patience for this again. Ortiz has hit a bunch of ball hard into the shift. He’s putting together pretty good ABs, too. He just can’t catch up to good fastballs or lay off good breaking stuff. He’s like Kevin Millar late in his Sox career.

by alskor on May 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

'cant catch up' or 'needs to back off'?

He keeps pulling hard stuff thrown inside on him. The staple out for Ortiz this year is a hard shot grounder to the 2nd baseman (playing deep in the shift). That’s not usually a ‘catch up’ problem.

He clearly has the physical ability to hit the ball hard and to all fields (as demonstrated by samples of all these things so far this year). But his timing is just plain ‘off’. Horribly off.

The good signs are that the physical power is still there. And he is still taking pitches and trying to work counts to get a hitter’s pitch. But he’s not converting those hittable pitches into hits.

by mmmmm on May 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

he started the year in “cant catch up” mode… he is jumping on them now. IMO, he’s guessing for fastballs, not timing them.

by alskor on May 5, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably

although in yesterday’s frustrating GIDP in the 8th, he worked the count to get the fastball he wanted and ‘guessed right’. He just topped it.

Baseball is so capricious. Miss by 1/100th of an inch and you get nothing but an ugly squib grounder to the infielder.

by mmmmm on May 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks better?

Last year, through April, Ortiz had a 25.3% K-rate, a 21.7% LD rate, a 23.2% GB-rate, and a 10.5% IFFB rate.
This year, those numbers are 37.3%, 11.9%, 42.9%, and 15.8%. He also has a career-low contact rate

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't see Ortiz having such a huge comeback this year.

While his numbers/peripherals have been down for a couple years now, at least in 2009 there was an indication he should be doing BETTER. This year, he still seems unlucky, but not by nearly as much as people think. Really, it’s looking more like he should end up around .700-.750 OPS, and that’s just not as good as Lowell would likely end up.

For what it’s worth, Lowell basically looks like he’s the player he has been for his entire career offensively. With luck, he’ll be a .370 wOBA guy, without it, a .345 guy. Both are perfectly acceptable, and better than Ortiz is likely to end up.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

no see this is where we have the disagreement

I think Ortiz is the better temporary solution because if he does right himself, he can be a viable DH solution. Lowell can’t.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

How bad do you think Lowell will be?

He’s basically the same guy he’s always been offensively. And there’s no point in risking Ortiz righting himself over the next month if we end up missing the playoffs.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 5, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that I think he'll be terrible

I think he’ll be a just fine hitter. I think with him as DH, we’re less likely to go out and find somebody else to DH in a month or two, and I don’t like that. I just don’t think Lowell’s everyday production is going to be enough to help us to the playoffs either. If Ortiz can come back, his production can. It’s just a gamble that I prefer. I’m not suggesting letting Ortiz struggle through the rest of the year without replacing him, but I think the idea of sitting him against a righthanded pitcher he’s been successful against is ridiculous at this point. My mind will probably be changed if he hasn’t improved in the next week.
Probably just preference. I’ll take a high-ceiling, low-floor guy over a middling player most any day.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think Lowell's will when compared to how God awful Ortiz has been?

Ortiz has COST us games so far. Lowell would probably at worst be about neutral.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 5, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're also talking

56 ABs vs 87 ABs, which aren’t necessarily fair sample sizes to compare.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they're not big sample sizes

But there’s a difference between getting unlucky and being OK over a small sample size (2009) and being awful over a small sample size and getting the appropriate results (2010).

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry wrong stat, really 63 PAs vs 100 PAs

The point wasn’t big sample sizes, it was that they are completely incomparable sample sizes.

64 PAs into last year, he was striking out 27.7% of the time and had walked only 6 times, and his OPS was .606. The K’s are definitely worse, but I see that because he’s frustrated and pressing, not timing issues. It looks to me like once he can get in a groove that should go way down.

His terrible LD% does warrant a smaller BABIP than he currently has, but not this low.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedey's got Papi's back

Just like Ortiz is Commandante-for-Life of the Pedey Fan Club. It’s a pretty remarkable camaraderie they’ve developed.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on May 5, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Laser show"

Ha ha! (man love)

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

ACTUALLY, advanced metrics show that that wasn't "premature".

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on May 5, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drop

At least drop Ortiz to the bottom of the order, until he can hit his own weight. Why is he still hitting 5th or 6th?

by Old Fan on May 5, 2010 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

i don't understand why he's been hitting before beltre

but after beltre we’ve had mcdonald and hall, and I can understand why he’d be higher up than those guys.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Drew-Beltre-Ortiz

seems more Tito’s style than the current Drew-Ortiz-Beltre.

Maybe he wants to give Ortiz a bit more ‘protection’ (Beltre) without putting Drew behind him?

by mmmmm on May 5, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder...

if Drugs is going to back of his “Hermedia sucks” bandwagon after a walk off hit last night…

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by return2greatness on May 5, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It wasn't walkoff

And one game shouldn’t change that opinion. Hermida still swings at some really bad stuff.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on May 5, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Hermida brought the woot"

(Courtesy The Beard of Truth)

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

ACTUALLY, advanced metrics show that that wasn't "premature".

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on May 5, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because Rivera misplayed an out into a double, it doesn't mean that Hermida is good or has played well

Hermida’s OBP so far this year is .317. That’s pretty bad. Only four players who have played this year for the Sox have made outs at a higher rate: Josh Reddick (in the minors), Jonathan Van Every (who will soon be back in the minors), David Ortiz (who may not be on the team by season’s end), and Victor Martinez. It’s a pretty sure bet that VMart will finish with a higher OBP than Hermida.

Since April 15th (his last 40 AB), Hermida has hit .225 AVG/.295 OBP/.400 SLG (.695 OPS). If Rivera makes the catch last night, Hermida’s stats drop to .200 AVG/.273 OBP/.350 SLG (.623 OPS). Wow, you’re right return2greatness, Hermida has been great.

Look, I hope he improves—and he might. But right now, he isn’t a very good player as a starter. But that’s OK because he is the Sox’ 4th OF.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 5, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

He’s actually been better than I thought and impressed me with what we have here… but his limitations have hurt us as a starter and he’s gotten pretty lucky.

by alskor on May 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know if I'd say he's gotten lucky

certainly that hit was lucky, but he’s been making good contact on a lot of other pitches that have been caught. His BABIP is very close to his career mark, a little bit low (obviously that’s not a reliable measure, but an idea). I think it probably close to evens out.

I was definitely hoping for more in the way of plate discipline from him. I think he’d be a great hitter if he could figure out what pitches to lay off of. He sure does have a nice swing when he picks the right ones. Unfortunately, looks like the same issues he’s had in Florida so far. Definitely hasn’t been performing as I’d like to see a red sox starting outfielder performing. Shame, really, because this is hopefully the most frequently he’ll be getting at bats over the year.

by wolf9309 on May 5, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on now...

I didn’t say he was great. I said I think he can be good. I mean, sure he swings at some bad pitches… but who doesn’t? He’s also come through in the clutch more this year then Reddick, Van Every, Ortiz and Vmart have, hasn’t he?

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by return2greatness on May 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also come through in the clutch more this year then Reddick, Van Every, Ortiz and Vmart have, hasn’t he?

So? Reddick and Ortiz have sucked. Van Every has had something like 10 AB, and VMart hasn’t really hit at all so far (only 6 XBH in 95 AB). Overall, you’re talking about a very small sample of games and a quality (clutchness) that is very hard to quantify.

Hermida may end up being a decent player. But he really hasn’t been anything special so far—and when Ells and Cameron come back, he’ll be on the bench.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on May 5, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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