Game 4, Overflow Thread: Playing With Fire, Wakefield Style
by Ben Buchanan on Apr 9, 2010 10:02 PM EDT
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PrintWake had been handling the Royals through 5. And then came the back-to-back shots in the 6th. What else do you expect?
Sox still on top 3-2 thanks to a 2-run shot by Drew.
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Second!
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
Cameron is a robot
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Drew might be a robot too.
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You succeed by accident.
What happens when you try, man?!
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Apr 9, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Remy thinks it was supposed to be a hit&run
that Cam may have missed
Drew Dead Duck
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
what
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
your icon
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it's a nice one
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Almost Drew...
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
Because Seals are cute and cudly :)
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't he married to some really hot woman?
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
Heidi Klum
So yes, really hot.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit & Run - JD almost never tries to outright steal
Cam is new – probably messed up the sign.
when Suzyn was gcying on the air after Torre's last game
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
yeah I remember that
but I don’t remember him saying that. He says almost every game “well thats why you can’t predict baseball”
I think Remy's right that it's a missed sign...
But we really shouldn’t be doing hit-and-runs with 0 outs in the first place.
USG
About time for the Dirty's
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Please no....
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't blame the messenger
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
shoenwipes is the only doing ok
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
he's one of the prime offenders
for what is yet to come
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
How can we blame him for future events?
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
Because he is going to really become a gas can
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Boyd can still out pitch MDC I bett
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
It was a good performance by Wakefield today but,
Does anyone else think Bucholz should have started today?
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
Relax Sean it's on Sunday in KC
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This means I have to see asshole on the 16th
God dammit.
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I'm not judging.
And your dislike for Beckett is well known.
But this is almost taking it too far. Relax. Breathe. Your with OTM.
Haha!
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I really didn't want to sell those tickets
Since it’d be my first game of the year, but now I may have to. Either that or just do 4 hours of phototaking / research instead of watching that jackass.
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Wow Sean O
you are into heavy things
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
I know
I just think he should be the #4
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of going with Wakefield to start a series
And then throwing two guys who sit over 90.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Apr 9, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wake is The Immortal
There can be only one (Knuckleballer)!
Wake laughs at the little baby boy Cameron!
So young. So cute.
i predict Vmart never catches Beckett again
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
I read somewhere a long time ago Kyle Farnsworth lives at Disney World
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
I am not sure, but he lives in Disney property
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
and that's not a joke
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Are teams going to start playing a shift on Ells, too?
I haven’t seen every AB, but every time I have seen him, he’s pulled it.
Pedroia looking terrible
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Ouch. Not a good looking cut by Pedroia for strike 3
Yeah, I know it was setup by the strike 2 call – but not a good AB.
night of game one I felt great
since then it’s like I’m constipated watching this team.
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
With all of these guys left on base
They should rename the team the Boston Cockteasers
by MikeAtBU on Apr 9, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Woah...
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
those broads in KC look like ripe prunes
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Okay, line of the night: 5IP, 8H, 8R, 8 ER, 3BB, 5k
there are no marlins or mets in the AL East Javvy.
The guy sucks
Im sick of these yankee fans talking about their prized number 4 starter. Its annoying
he's gonna be their number 2 by june
gonna have a good year
Jason Kendall has only hit like 5 HR's in his career right?
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Most of his OBP comes from being HBP
Seriously
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
rubbish
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
why cant Ellsbury do that !?!?!?
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
What? Get Out?
He’s okay at doing that…
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Was he out of the basepath or something?
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Made the Bunt outside of the box.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Eject this fair skinned punk
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
you should be allowed to steal first.
lke the guy steps in the box and just books it down the line, see what happens.
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
LOL - called out for stepping out of the box!!
’Can’t make contact if you are out of the box.
As an Ump in our SB leagues, I’ve called out guys for that before.
Yep that left foot.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else hearing Frank White try and explain this, it's funny
I would shoot myself if I had to listen to these two every night.
near gameday theres an option to do the free trial of at bat
its like gameday but better
MLB Extra Innings is having a special
Have to have Direct TV
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Farnsworth is going back to Disney World
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Hey is Crisp playing for the A's now?
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
Yep.
Hurt already.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK
Don’t really care either.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this little pitcher man needs a hamburger
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Lowell... :(
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch - Cruz has a nasty slider
that thing just drops out
Bahahaha
Lowell is in the doghouse. If only he was here before 2008, we would’ve been golden.
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What are you talking about?
Beckett trade in 2006?
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean, get off Mike's computer. He wants it back
Haha!
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry guys, I was in the bathroom
When I got back he was mumbling to himself. Something about a meathead…
Ortiz-hit the bricks
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Ellsbury your clock is ticking
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
Shouldn't Hermida's single been caught?
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
If the fielder got a better jump
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus is really a Center Fielder.
Must be a CF just like Ellsbury is a CF.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
off to the girlie show
The Red Sox offense isn't an issue,- until its an issue.
President of the official trade Jacoby Ellsbury campaign.
Yeah, nothing sarcastic there
Beckett just sucks.
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But Dood?!?!
Sean O has a completely rational hate of Beckett <code>
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm radar off?
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
Now at .200
Clearly that’s how his season will go.
Don’t worry, Hermida will finish at 1.000
OK let's just don't give runs in this inning
otherwise we’ll be facing Soria in the 9th
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
idiot yankees fan I know
bitching about us playing the royals while they play the Rays.
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Well he does have a good point
That new rule where you play your 2nd opponent for 159 straight games is pretty weird.
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My Gameday
is still not displaying any pitch information for the first three. Did Bard break Mach 1?
No but that foul ball almost did...it was way too close...
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bard really wants to dash this game...
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Double play in order
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at that disgraceful
Royals player calling for time. Embarrassing.
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F'n pathetic
At a loss for words at how awful this team is starting.
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Thank God we have Beckett coming up next
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
Unbelievable.
Everyone give a warm welcome to Soria.
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
Soria is coming
Let’s call it quit :(
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
This bullpen is awful
And will keep us from the playoffs if the Rays play anywhere near how they can.
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That's the thing
For the first time since 2005 we have nobody at all who is ready to come up to help from the farm.
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Clearly you haven't seen his Pawtucket Lines...
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, sry
I don’t really mean that I’ve given up.
‘Just that if we DON’T come back and take it, it will have sucked if THAT was the game winning hit.
The offense only gets 3 runs against a shitty pitcher.
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bad baserunning
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasted an out against a top closer
Sabermetrics!
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In case you didn't know, Scutaro does know how to hit.
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No choice? How about trying to move the guy to second with 0 outs?
Play for the tie AND the win!
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Apr 9, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
But also brings the odds of making an out up to 100%
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Apr 9, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
of course, so is not scoring a run in the 9th
when we are behind. actually not scoring is worst.
sometimes it becomes a trade off.
it’s just like sometimes stolenbases are good, sometimes a waste of effort. there are “clutch times” for lack of a better term. this is when the game is on the line and opportunities are minimal.
plus, i think scooter had previously bunted safely for a hit. who’s to say he wouldn’t again – thus no out.
my thinking at the time last night was that 1 out man on 2nd, we needed 1 hit in 2 at bats to tie, versus man on 1st and needing two hits with 3 at bats (assuming no double play).
the key thought for the strategy was we needed a run.
besides all of that, i thought i was agreeing with you – “i’ll take a sacrifice bunt down 1………… but in no other ……”
i’m not following your posts. and what does “usg” mean?
Run expectancy
Its been a while since I dove into this, but someone put together some data at some point that showed that the probability of scoring a run (Run Expectancy) for the two situations of concern here are something like:
Man on 1st, No outs : ~0.92
Man on 2nd, 1 out: ~0.75
(Not exact numbers, but close, if my memory isn’t completely shot)
This makes it look like you shouldn’t bunt. But its deceptive – the first scenario still requires that the batter DO something and you have to factor in his success rates at various possible outcomes (getting a walk, getting a hit, bunting, etc.). I.E. – the 0.92 is factoring in that other events have to take place and the odds change with each step.
I’m betting someone has done a more exhaustive analysis of this.
+11111111111111111111111
good post.
good info and i think your numbers are right on – you still have some memory – so start drinking before it multiplies!
i based my stuff on expected run value, from page 134 moneyball. i screwed up. i assumed singles and counted the guy who gets the hit as a given, blah, blah. my error.
i found the matrix you may have alluded to – it matches your #‘s. it’s by a guy name tango.
good stuff.
now the $64,000 question – why did the sox bunt?
FUCK YOU TACO FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
Beckett is 5-0 against the Royals
But doesn’t deserve it. Saw him get annihilated against them in 2006.
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do you want Beckett to wind tommorow or would you rather see him lose?
"Well Suzyn, in life all good things come to an end."- John Sterling
Agreed.
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 9, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be at the Blazers
But I’d be watching the Revs even if i was home.
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not when you half-ass it.
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Fight Pedroia. Good night OTM.
Beckett will win tomorrow though.
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
will take a rays W over
the yankees any day…
by brian custer on Apr 9, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
9 hits, 4 BB --> only 3 runs
Pedroia: 0-4, BB
VMart: 0-4
Everyone else got a hit except Scutaro, but he got a walk and a sac bunt.
We are just basically being unlucky with the bats. ’Not getting consecutive hits.
I bet you the turning point was V-Mart GIDP with the bases loaded and one out!
but owned by Rick Effing Ankiel hurts really bad!
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
they lost
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by BoldandBrash on Apr 9, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave Cameron tweet
The correlation between win% through first five games of 2009 and final 2009 record: .15.
Westmoreland recently asked his son how he was feeling, and the response the father received didn't surprise him. "I'm going to be in Portland next year," Ryan said.
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