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Red Sox Rotation: What Should the Back End Look Like?

There are only four things we all know about the Red Sox rotation and they are as follows:

  1. Lester
  2. Beckett
  3. Lackey
  4. Badass

With emphasis being on No. 4.

All joking outside, we know what the first three starters look like. We don't necessarily know how one and two are going to pan out (most think Josh Beckett will earn the Opening Day start, but that's to be decided), but we at least know the players that encompass the top three.

But what about the last two?

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The Sox have two spots and three viable candidates in Clay Buchholz, Daisuke Matsuzaka and Tim Wakefield (and before you comment, no, the Sox will not go with a six-man rotation). Since this is not a perfect world, this is not an easy answer. Ironically enough, though, all three pitchers are completely different no matter which way you slice them.

Buchholz is the young gun with loads of potential. He's been working his way through the Red Sox system, proved himself at every level and is ready to be an every day starter. Except when he has started for the Sox, he hasn't had the best results (for the most part).

Matsuzaka is the high-paid, high-expectations starter from overseas. We've seen Dice-K at his best, but various issues -- including injury concerns and his command of the strikezone -- doesn't make him a reliable option. If Dice-K is healthy, Dice-K is in the rotation. That's not the case right now.

Wakefield is the cheap veteran that has always delivered when the Sox needed him to. Just when you think age is going to catch up with him, he comes back each and every February and puts solid numbers in the scoresheet. That's Tim Wakefield -- but you know he's going to break down at least once. OK, maybe twice.

That's the historical breakdown. But now, in the present? In spring training? Buchholz, struggling a lot. Wakefield, pitching great. Matsuzaka, hasn't pitched at all.

Like I said, they're complete opposites.

Let's just assume they're all healthy, even though they're not (Dice-K gets his first action today and Wakefield is obviously going to break down at some point). All three are healthy, so who do you want in the rotation?

Forget about contracts for a second. Think about the two players that could be the best pitchers for the Red Sox this season. Makes things hard, doesn't it? Buchholz and Matsuzaka have the high ceilings, but Wakefield has the consistency. You never really know what you're going to get out of Buchho or Dice-K, but it could be great. Wakefield has potential to be great, but more times than not he's a solid innings eater.

Not so easy, huh?

So what do you think: if all three players are healthy, who do you want in the end of the rotation? Do the potentials of Buchholz and Matsuzaka outweigh their potential downfalls? Do you really stick the reliable veteran Wakefield into the bullpen? Is that really even an option?

Pick your poison, Red Sox Nation.

Poll
If all are healthy, who makes up the back-end of the Red Sox rotation?
Buchholz and Matsuzaka
282 votes
Buchholz and Wakefield
178 votes
Wakefield and Matsuzaka
198 votes

658 votes | Poll has closed

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If all are healthy

Buchholz and Daisuke in the rotation, Wake in the pen. Both Buchholz and Daisuke need to prove they’re worthy of being on a big league pitching staff. Buchholz isn’t going to learn anything in AAA this year, and Daisuke needs to show his value to the Sox. That require innings for both of them. Luckily (I guess?) it’s highly unlikely they’ll all be healthy at the same time for any long period of time this year. This is a much better 5th starter situation than in previous years. While Daisuke is on the DL for the beginning of the year Wake will be in the rotation. Then Daisuke will come back and wake will go to the pen, get fatigued, go on the DL. When he’s back Buchholz will be “dealing with the toll of a full season” and rest for a few weeks, along with what ever reasons can be thought up to get Beckett, Lester and Lackey a short DL trip to keep them fresh for September. Over the year there will be plenty of starts for everyone.

by brogshan on Mar 25, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

yes

I could care less about how Clay has looked in ST. Last year Clay had an xFIP of 4.09-and that is without adjusting for the fact that his K rate could have been even higher given his swing and miss profile. James, Chone and Zips all have him as a low 4’s ERA guy. He should be here to stay. I love Wake, and I am sure he will pitch, but if Dice can go he is the other guy (largely because Wake can go at anytime anywhere, and neither Clay nor Dice nor any other conventional pitcher can do that).

by Buzzy on Mar 25, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries

Injuries will fix this: No way with their current pedigree that Dice-K/Wake make a full-season….probably will see them as the No. 5 intermittantly splitting time on the DL

1. Beckett
2. Lester
3. Lackey
4. Buchholz
5. Wake/Dice-K
6. Bonser/Tazawa/Bowden (spot starter, double-headers, etc.)

by BobZupcic on Mar 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think there's a big question

the fact is, healthy Dice-K is just a better pitcher than Wake. Both are confounding pitchers, Wake is great, loveable, and more reliable, but just not as effective a starter as Matsuzaka is. As others have said, they will probably not all be at 100% for a large part of the season (and having 6 gives Francona flexibility if someone is feeling just a little under the weather to have a spot starter who isn’t an unproven farmhand, which should keep them all pitching better through the year), but while they are all healthy, Buchholz and Dice-K are in there (I don’t think there is a question about Buchholz, he needs to grow in the bigs, if they put him in AAA, they might as well just release him, he won’t grow at all down there).

by wolf9309 on Mar 25, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Use the Big Three every five days in April.

Beckett, Lester, and Lackey are fresh and love getting into a routine. Pitch them every five days in April. And you can use Beckett or Lester as the #1 and Wakefield or Buchholz as the #4. That’s up to you and Theo.
Download your sortable calender and fill in the days.

Starter #1: April 4, 9, 14, 19, 24
Starter #2: April 6, 11, 16, 21, 26
Starter #3: April 7, 12, 17, 22, 27
Starter #4: April x, 10, 15, 20, 25
Starter #5: April y, y, 18, 23, 28

Sox off days: April 5, 8, 13, 29
x- #4 starter throws a simulated game on the off day April 5th.
y- #5 starter pitches in Pawtucket at home against Lehigh and Rochester on the April 8th and 13th.
All five starters get their routine in April of throwing every five days.
Who our #4, #5, or #6 pitcher is, isn’t as important as getting our Big Three each five starts in April.
If I had to pick today:

  1. Beckett
  2. Lester
  3. Lackey
  4. Wakefield
  5. Buchholz / Dice-K
    Buchholz still has an option year left and the front office may use it the protect as many pitchers as possible coming out of camp on opening day.
    And in April we do have rain delays but not many rain outs so this is Plan A.
    Pitch every five days!

" Play Ball "

by went9 on Mar 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Tough call...

but Badass wins both spots, hands down. ;-)

In all seriousness, I expect it to be Buchholz and Matsuzaka, with either one being 4 or 5. At least this will be the case as we get towards the dog days of summer.

I’m not saying that Wakefield will “get the proverbial shaft,” but to protect him from injury he may not start as often. I do realize Theo & Co. worked with to redo his contract and they want him to be the all-time winning pitcher in Red Sox history, but I wonder if Wake can do it with his back acting up the past several seasons. I would love to see him reach the record as he’s one of my most favorite players since I really got back into baseball during middle school.

However, with Matsuzaka and Wakefield having injury concerns, could it be possible that we see them both sharing the 5th spot? It would be something Matsuzaka is used to from Japanese baseball and it would keep Wakefield fresh. As for the 4th spot, Buchholz should get it, as he’s done growing down in AAA: it’s time to learn and grow in the Majors.

by Raj Ghetia on Mar 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think they'll all be healthy at the same time.

Wakefield typically has trouble later in the season, though, but does quite well earlier in the year. So I’d expect to see Dice-K as an occasional starter now, and Wakefield as an occasional starter later in the season.

You want the Big Three in as often as possible, but I think it might be a good idea to have an extra starter who works, say, every seven or eight days, who can spell the different main guys every so often. (Having an occasional day off probably wouldn’t hurt them too much.) That also makes them available for bullpen duty every so often if need be.

by lone1c on Mar 25, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

The answer to the poll is "all three"

Due to injuries or ineffectiveness, the Sox are going to have to rotate guys on and off the DL. There’s plenty of innings for each of the 6 starters.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Mar 25, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

This won't be an issue

1 – Dice-K begins the season on the DL. When he returns…
2a – Wake will at some point go on the DL, and/or
2b – Buchholz gets traded (as part of the Adrian Gonzales deal?), and/or
2c – Boof or someone else’s great work earns starts.

by dsharp on Mar 25, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

WHat about a reliable Long-reliever?

I really think it should be DiceK and Wake in the starting rotation, with Buch as our long reliever, which we have been lacking since trading away Masterson. If either Wake or Dice-K struggle in any given game and leave after 2 or 3 innings (it’s happened), Buch could be used to get through the 7th or 8th.

David Ortiz 2010: 120 RBIs, 35+ HRs. Jason who?

by BHeebs on Mar 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Buchholz has been made to wait too long.

Plus, based on last year, he’s better than either of those guys on any given night.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Mar 25, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 25, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The back end of our rotation

Should look something like this.

http://www.sonjabailes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/butt.jpg

Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.

by David Harnden on Mar 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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