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I know Sox fans aren't very pleased with Johnny Damon after the four years he spent with the MFY, but at this point it would take 1 year and $2-3 MM to get a deal done (he might be able to weasel out 4-5 MM, but not from a contender).  For such a hitting talent, it might be worth Theo's while to contact Scotty and see what is available.  You could put Johnny as a platoon outfielder and trade Hermida or have him platoon with Papi assuming Mikey Lowell gets traded (funny that he seems to have fallen off the map, yet he's still here).  I know Johnny probably wouldn't prefer the role he would be assigned, but he's out of options right now and if he joined the Sox at least he'd have a chance to play for a winner.

It is a crowded squad, yes, but Johnny would be better than Bill Hall (could Tito teach Hermida the infield, get rid of Hall, and make Johnny the platoon/4th outfielder?)

Just some musings on the matter as Pitchers and Catchers get ready to report to Ft. Myers....

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I would be in favor of signing Damon...

To a AA contract where his only job would be to get hit with in the grapes with a bowling ball repeatedly.

I try not to ordinarily think of athletes who switch teams for a free-agency payday as traitors, but Damon affirmatively stated that he was a Red Sock, and that he would never play for the Yanks. Based on those statements, I feel comfortable not restraining myself.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 8, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

From a purely baseball standpoint, it actually makes some sense.

Neither Hermida nor Damon can play the field, but at least Damon has some experience with the monster, and he’s got a bigger bat. Damon kills righties which would make him a good pinch hitter for Beltre, Cameron, etc. late game. We’d need to replace Lowell with a good defensive OF and hope that either Petey or Hall can manage SS for a few games whenever Scutaro needs a break. Bring back Rocco, anyone?

On the other hand, as nuthinboutnuthin said, I just don’t see how this can happen. Too many hurt feelings.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 8, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think they've got plenty of flexibility

5 outfielders. Ellsbury, Cameron and Drew. Ellsbury backs up Cameron. Hermedia plays LF, RF in a pinch. Hall at the corners, CF in a pinch. I don’t see a lot of playing time for Rocco.

The only question for me is middle infield. Can Hall cover both spots or do you need to carry someone like Tug as the 25th man? Flexibility is a good thing and Theo has plenty of it.

by mg050369 on Feb 8, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cameron can play RF too.

He did it with the Mets, with Beltran in center, if I recall correctly.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny Damon can eat a @#$%

So there’s that.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 8, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

Signing Damon doesn't make any sense all the way around

Let me count the ways:

  • Supposedly Damon turned down a 1/$6M deal with the Yankees. I don’t see he would be quick to accept a deal for half that.
  • Barring an Ellsbury trade, he would be penciled in as the 4th outfielder, lucky to play more than 50 games unless someone goes on the DL. I don’t see him accepting a part time job when teams like the Yankees, Tigers and Reds could offer more extensive playing time.
  • The Sox are already up against the cap. Damon would likely put them over the luxury tax threshhold which they appear to want to avoid if possible.

I think Damon would have made a lot of sense if Cameron wasn’t available. In the interim, I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Sox and the only thing that appears stopping him from signing with a team is himself, or more accurately Boras’ view that he is a $14M player rather than $6M.

by mg050369 on Feb 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

He wants a full time role.

He would like to reach 3000 and get some consisderation for the HOF. If he plays til age 40, he believes it is possible. 145 hits a year for four more years.

by eatduece on Feb 8, 2010 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

THAT is not why he has no place here.

He has no place here because he’s Johnny Damon, he said he wouldn’t go to the Yankees, he went to the Yankees, and it doesn’t matter what his OPS+ is or what his splits are…he is dead to us.

THAT is why he has no place in Boston.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 9, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

That bat-fight scenario...

…is the only scenario in which I would advocate bringing back Johnny Damon. It would have to be iron-clad, and contain a club-option for another bat-fight in 2011.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 9, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just realizing (one day later)

…that I called the commish “Bug” Selig. Twice. Not that it’s a bad nickname exactly, but totally unintentional.

And yes on the club-option for the 2011 bat-fight. We also need more of the injury protection that the Sox like to put in their contracts. The bat-fight needs to continue until both of them get injured…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

for the “Bug Selig”.

(the rest was funny too).

by mmmmm on Feb 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Two men enter....

….nobody leaves healthy.

Also, I forgot to rec that comment so I just did. Green is your colour, my friend.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 10, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I call him Bud “Mr. Charasmatic” Selig.

by mg050369 on Feb 11, 2010 7:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, I would love to get him.

Definitely a value at a price like that.

Problem is we have sooo little playing time to offer him. We have two LHH OF starters and our presumptive 4th OF (Hermida) is also a LHH.

Id still do it. I’d be all over him. Mix and match his playing time all around the OF (keeping JD in LF and moving others as necessary).

by alskor on Feb 8, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

If we pick up another OF, I’d rather have him (or her… wait no, just him) be a righty.

by Schulz on Feb 9, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I may have not been clear

This was purely a baseball assessment, not an emotional-based argument. If we sign Johnny, we would surely have to move the roster around (GET RID OF HALL :D). And, for the money question, it’s getting awfully close to Pitchers and Catchers to hang on to financial concerns. 3 MM, which probably is still under the cap is plenty of money for anyone. And for HOF considerations, better to compete on a contender than Cincinnati Reds. Best possible for Damon is probs Tigers though.

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."-Manny Ramirez

by revigik on Feb 8, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

Don't get rid of Hall.

If we have Damon on our team, we’re going to need utility like that. And no, we have no space under the cap. We are over the cap.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 8, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, not sure why you'd get rid of Hall

Unless you want to get rid of both Hall AND Hermida, sign Damon, and bring in Lowrie as the back-up infielder. But I think they want Lowrie to get some playing time as a starter in AAA first before bringing him back up.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Feb 9, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

actually

I think his best bet is with the Reds. Trust me Damon doesnt want to hit in Comerica Park. He prob wouldnt get 10 HR’s playing for the Tigers. But he would maybe approach 20 in Cincinatti and hitting against the NL. He doesnt need anymore Rings, he already has 2. He needs AB’s so he can get to 3000 and hit some more HR’s since he isnt as fast as he used to be. Plus Cincy doesnt really care about def too much, they manned Adam Dunn in RF for years lol

by Jason A on Feb 16, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn Ben, you really went on a tear through this thread.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Feb 8, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

exactly what we don't need

is a declining backup outfielder who can no longer field acceptably, with no upside, who would not hit close to as well away from YS.

by wolf9309 on Feb 9, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Damon wants a starting position...

He probably take a starting position over $4-6 million in salary, is my guess. All the teams that have shown in an interest in Damon, (Reds, Braves, Tigers, Rays) have budget constraints…

Boras really blew the negotiations with Damon, the MFY offered a 2 year/$14 million deal and that was really nice of the MFY. Boras counter offer was 2 year/$26 million, which wasn’t realistic, and the two of them were dreaming of a 4 year/$52 million, which was beyond fantasy.

I think Damon will end up somewhere, I am guessing the Braves if he agrees to a $2-3 million one year deal

by superferret on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

"Super Agent"

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps a flaming bag of poo.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 10, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Felipe Lopez just fired him.

But just as soon as he was fired, Kendry Morales picked him up :(

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."-Manny Ramirez

by revigik on Feb 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Boras is a good agent for top-of-the-line talent.

But not for middle-of-the-road guys anymore, it seems. He’s always too damn sure of himselves.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 14, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Sox wish to give to/for the betterment of the aged players,

maybe giving these millions to the local hospice would do more good than hiring another over the hill relic to actually try to play!!

by NG on Feb 9, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Hm

I wonder how Johnny Pesky’s swinging the bat these days…

We sure could use his .400 OBP coming off the bench as a utility infielder!

by wolf9309 on Feb 9, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Lowell

Good point. What’s going on with him? What teams are still searching for a 3B/DH type?

by Schulz on Feb 9, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

y would

Damon platoon with Ortiz? They are both lefties!!!! Also Johhny Damon is a decent hitter but is no power hitter. So he hit 20+ last year for the Yankees but it was in that stadium. Anybody that thinks he could even hit 15 playing for the Sox full time is delusional!!!!! Get rid of Hermida for him? Ridiculous!!! I know Hermida hasnt met his potential but he is still only 26 years old and he is talented. I would def rather take my chances with him being our 4th outfielder. Plus Im pretty sure he is better defensively and I guarantee he has a better arm.

by Jason A on Feb 16, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Damon would be more of a pinch hitter type if he were to have any capacity with this team (not that he will).

Our OF is filled with righties who kill LHP. Damon kills RHP. Simple as that.

And Hermida is A) pretty bad offensively and B) highly unlikely to meet any of his potential in a backup role. The Sox really should be looking to ship him off and find a more suitable guy for a backup role.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I think Hermida should play in Pawtucket until some team needs an OF enough to give something decent for him.

by wolf9309 on Feb 16, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he's not going to do either, realistically.

But again, I said his best capacity would be as a pinch hitter and 4th outfielder, a position Hermida does a poor job of filling in my opinion. There would be no platoon as far as starting is concerned. He would give them very occasional days off playing left field (Ellsbury would move to center on Cameron’s days off), and pinch hit in late-game situations.

But none of this is going to happen because he won’t accept that role, and we won’t accept him.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 16, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I think a 26 year old with potential is a perfect guy to have as your 4th OF, especially over a really really old OF that cant throw, field, or hit for power except for a hand full of parks. Dont get me wrong I think Damon is a better player but for all around value I will take Hermida for 3 million less as a 4th OF over Damon. Dont forget that Damon would also be too much talk for an 4th OF pinch hitter (I think he would be a good PH) where we wont hear too much about Hermida at all.

by Jason A on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Why do you think we won't hear much from Hermida?

If I were him, I’d be pretty damn disgruntled to have been put in a backup slot at 26 years old. I’d figure that I wouldn’t have any chance to breakout like he probably thinks he still can, and he’d be right. The 4th OF position is supposed to bring value to its team right now, without sacrificing any future value. Now, if we could stick Hermida in AAA and see if we could still salvage his all-star potential, that’d be great. That’s what the minor leagues are for, after all. But he won’t accept that, and we’d still need a 4th OF.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 16, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

we could send him down to pawtucket, he's still got all his options left

he wouldn’t be happy about it, but I’m pretty sure he’d take his couple million dollars and try to play down there to prove he should be in the MLB.

by wolf9309 on Feb 16, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But then we’re paying a guy $3 million on a gamble he’ll refind his potential. Wouldn’t it be better to just throw that money at overslot players in the draft, where we’ve got 3 top-50 picks.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 16, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hermida wont speak up as much as Damon

cuz one has proven himself to be a starter on teams like the Yankees and the Red Sox. Hermida has not. Correct me if Im wrong but wasnt Ortiz going to platoon or backup for Jeremy Giambi when he signed with us. But then Giambi got hurt and Ortiz had to start and everything just happened to click.
Im not saying Hermida is going to be one of the best hitters in baseball. But I think he makes a perfect 4th OF, someone that can fill in occassionally, has potential, and is young and still willing to learn. I dont understand y we would want a 37 year old that is overrated do to inflated numbers, that cant throw, field, and would just cause chaos for most of the year.

by Jason A on Feb 16, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

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