drew top 2 or 3
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 24, 2010 10:06 PM EST
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Just wanted to see how rediculous people are. i cant wait for people to tell me that drew is better then these guys since he is top 2 or 3 and this is just a small list. i mean seriously answer this truely i cant believe this was a comment from somebody that claims they are a sox fan. so lets see if this is gonna be taken seriously cause if it is im am gonna be completely right
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Depends upon the ranking system you use
In terms of getting on base which is pretty darn important in order to score runs
Choo 0.394
Drew 0.392
Suzuki 0.386
Upton 0.366
Ethier 0.361
Markakis 0.347
Dye 0.340
Cruz 0.332
Overall player value in terms of Wins Above Replacement (WAR)
Suzuki 5.1
Choo 5.0
Drew 4.8
Upton 4.6
Cruz 3.7
Ethier 2.5
Markakis 2.2
Dye -0.2
JD
is definitely the 2nd most effective player on this list all around. In my opinion Ichiro being the biggest game changer, and Choo just behind Drew. I like Ethier’s ability in the clutch, which is something most people don’t talk about in baseball blogging, but something you can’t really measure statistically unless you measure AVG, OBP, RBI’s after the 7th. I’d take him next. Then Markakis, then Upton, then a toss up between two vastly overrrated players.
It really depends on what you go by
so I’m not voting. Justin Upton definitely has the most upside, being 22 and great. Markakis isn’t far off if he can recapture what ability he has shown in the past (he’s had one really great year). Ethier’s pretty good. Cruz and Dye aren’t. Choo is great, and Suzuki is the best at what he does. For a long term contract? I’d take Upton. For a year? I’d take Choo or Drew.
If I could have any, I'd take Upton.
Because likely will be the best of the bunch going forward. He’s not there yet, bu he’s got all the potential in the world.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Yup.
I would take Upton going forward. But for just next year? I think Drew might be the guy. Upton and Choo are not fully proven and Ichiro seems to be declining.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Choo is really one of the most underrated players in all of MLB.
26 y/o .300/ .394/.489 20 HR 132 ops+ 142 wrc+
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
wolf
not voting cause he knows im right and this is a small list i could add more
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 24, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
You are not right.
Your poll asks for who is “better.” And as Zupcic pointed out, using statistics, last year Drew was the 3rd best. At worst he is 4th best. Out of 30 starting RFs in the majors, JD Drew is among the best. There’s no real argument there.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
ok
your just to intelligent for earth good lord
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
???
Did you mean: “You’re just too intelligent for Earth, good lord?”
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 25, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
It could also be
“You’re just, too intelligent for earth. Good lord.” The non sequitur at the end was strange, but that’s 2 solid compliments.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
NuthinBoutNuthin is our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Deal with it.
Worship Him at His altar.
He shall save thy soul, Mr. O.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
on base %
its the only thing he is good at hahaha
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions
He was also tied for the best defender on your list.
So he’s the best at not making outs and catching balls. Would yu reallygive those up for another few homers a year?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
defense
not as valuable as u all think playing right field
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe in beer league soft ball
Defense and run-prevention are very important. The problem is most fans and sportswriters only focus on offense. A team can score a lot of runs and still not be good. Here’s an example: the 2008 Texas Rangers, who lead the AL in run-scoring with 901 runs. They only won 79 games and missed the playoffs because they allowed 967 runs. Last year the Rangers won 87 games, despite only scoring 784 runs. How would you explain the improvement? It’s easy—Texas cut down the runs they allowed from 967 to 740.
In MLB, the best defensive OF is usually in CF (assuming that particular OF can play the position). The second most important OF position is RF because of the long throw. RF have to be quick to the ball to keep runners from going from first to third on base hits. While not all LF are stiffs, it is the position where teams usually put their worst defensive OF (sort of like 1B in the IF). Another thing, RF in Fenway is very tough. It’s large and it’s a “sun field” in day games.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 25, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. As a memeber of a team that went 0- season for a few years.
Having people that can cleanly catch fly balls and field grounders is HUUUUUUGE. Everybody can hit the snot out of the ball, but the really good teams are making all the routine plays in the field and minimizing the damage.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 25, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
No he's right - we put our 2nd worst fielding girl in right field.
Because there aren’t many balls that get hit there, defense is over-rated. I mean come on, they only shift the infield to the right when Ortiz bats – not the entire outfield!
[sarcasm]
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sorry
got drew around 8th or 9th why is he higher then that other then on base %
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:04 AM EST reply actions
total value?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
SLG
Slugging – a power stat based upon totasl bases
Drew ranked 4th for RFers behind Zobrist/Upton/Cruz
OPS
Drew 3rd behind Zobrist/Choo
I can't beleive you're still entertaining this drivel.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
When Galileo wanted to support his Copernican version of the universe
He wrote a book with a character named “Simplicio” to make foolish arguments in favor of Aristotle’s system.
Sometimes, the best way to get your point across to a wider audience is to have someone argue the opposite viewpoint very poorly. The good news is that, Steelersfamily, being a real person arguing of his own volition, is not subject to that strawman accusations (however much he is a fan of USING them)
Fun fact: Simplicio was likely based on Galileo’s friend, then Pope Urban VIII, who was so offended at this apparent betrayal that he started the whole prosecution brew-ha-ha.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
No "that" in the strawman sentence. Not sure how it got in there.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
So, is steelersfamily7 someone’s retarded pseudonym being used to prove a point, then?
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 25, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. I checked that pretty quickly.
At least, nobody else who visits this site. Like I said, since he’s a real person, it actually makes it rather more effective.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
figured
unrealistic voting by the fans of our team. ichiro is on the decline i heard but drew isnt????. forgot to put zobrists on the list, i would rather have him to. Uton easily the best player for future and now. But ok people drew is better then all.
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 8:24 AM EST reply actions
Since you're apparently a Steelers fan, I'd like to point out that the city of Pittsburgh...
…should never speak about Baseball until the Pirates manage a season above .500
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Feb 28, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Drew
By virtue that he does everything right but is still two years younger than Ichiro who will certainly go into the hall of fame. Drew gets on base and plays great, game changing defense. I’m picking him by what he HAS done, not what he MIGHT do in cases like Upton or Choo.
Thank goodness you’ll never be a GM.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
real answer
im a sox fan, give me drew lol.
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
So what did you expect really? You just made a poll on a Red Sox fan site. Of course I want JD Drew, he’s the right fielder that we have who doesn’t do anything wrong, he’s great on offense and is great on defense, why would I bother trading the pieces to get anyone else who would probably produce less than JD Drew + the prospects we would have to give up to get him?? If you say he isn’t a very good player you sir are an idiot and should go back to your fantasy drafts because even with a dozen people spelling it out for you, you can’t come to grips with the realities of baseball, real GMs and teams value defense and the ability to get on base, counting stats don’t really matter and further education is actually pretty worth the money.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
expectations
hoping for ideas and answers. Also a little truth, but i guess not.
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions
People have given you all the "ideas and answers" in the world.
And you’ve spit in their faces with dismissive responses.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
The Hole
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
Bloggy once again makes an internet soundbite for jokiest blogger! :)
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Feb 28, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
this poll
the only thing this pole showed me was sox fans are the most rediculous fans out my favorite teams lol
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions
You know... I guess I have to admit it absolutely did show that...
just not in the way you think, and you’re the most rediculous of all.
last question ??
who isnt that good in are lineup??
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Our?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 25, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Define "that good"
Obviously, with a $170 million payroll, we’re pretty much average or better all the way around.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
"Let's have a poll!"
“If the results show what I want them to, then I’m right! If they don’t, then everyone who voted against me is stupid!”
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
talk the truth
bet u cant. i love the celtics. i hate scal. i would love to see u actually say dont like someone on the sox. i hate people who love everyone on the team cause there a fan.
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions
Talk sense.
You really think everyone here liked Lugo? How about Julian Tavarez? Just because we don’t share your baseless hatred of Drew doesn’t make us blind fans. Quite the opposite, really.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
wow
they have to be that bad for u not to like them thats sad
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
As compared to what.
Where do you set your limit? Clearly above a .900 OPS.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
As a person or as a ballplayer?
Because as a human being, he is unassailable.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Hey! 'Luved Julian!
I just cringed when he walked out to the mound …
Also strongly pro-Jules.
I have a soft spot for goofy bastards like that.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
You love Scal?
Scal f***ing sucks. He’s a joke. He’s a good practice player and hustle guy, but he’s like the 9th guy down the bench at best.
You love Scal, but you hate JD Drew. That says it all.
He hates Scal.
And yeah, Scal sucks. So does TA.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
ben
u know more bout b-ball good comment add in perk and bbd
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
watch
he will get dominated by 70 year old shaq tonight
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Perk is awesome.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Make a poll about Varitek.
see what happens.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Geez, steelersfamily7@aol.com makes me miss 75bandwagon or NG
Those guys are completely rational comapred to this guy.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
You could at least understand their rantings and ravings
Even if they were completely wrong, they at least were comprehensible.
I agree
They put up arguments and were fun to talk to. I enjoy trying to set people down the right path but some people are just dumbasses. Though I remember my first few times posting here about how much I didn’t want Nick Johnson because he didn’t hit many HRs and I laugh at myself now.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yeah I miss the "sky is falling" posts....
….I really do :( Offseason is so boring!!!
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Feb 28, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Theo on D&C
If we want to evaluate a team or a player the way you do, what is the best way?
It depends how you like viewing the game of baseball.
We like good players, we don’t like bad ones.
All right, there are ways you can break down a player’s performance, his statistics, what he does, and come up with a value on how much he adds offensively vs. an average player or a player who is readily available. You can break that down and say he’s worth this many runs per season. A great player would be worth, say, 40 runs more than an average player. It’s about 10 run equals a win, so you say that player vs. a guy that we can call up from Triple A is going to win four more games. Significantly you could do the same thing with his base running and with his defense.
The Interview is just AWESOME, he tackles a lot of other issues like the farm system and defense (giving the example of Tampa) I love you Theo :)
Check it.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
I love Theo.
(in a manly way, of course).
He is my hero when it comes to sports executives.
I LOVE that he is putting JH’s money behind his belief in the numbers. This year will be a great test case for sabermetricians.
ok
if drew has no speed why not put him in left and play balls off the wall and ellsbury in right
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions
Drew has range. What are you talking about?
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
And
Drew has a good arm. Ellsbury’s arm is very weak. You don’t put weak-armed players in RF.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 25, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
big papi
could beat drew in a race lol
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever watched baseball?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 25, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha!!!
Rec’d for the most simple and honest question on this post.
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Feb 28, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well that's just blatantly false.
Drew eats up huge amounts of ground in the outfield.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
its just another straw man or assertion without evidence.
He started with “if drew has no speed…”.
That’ posits that we accepted or proposed that Drew has no speed. It is either an assertion without evidence (former) or a straw man (latter).
Troll.
what???
u are a sick person drew must be ur favorite player on the team or u hate me having a good idea b4 u theres more field to cover in right nothing would drop with ellsbury over there and let slow drew throw balls in off the wall cmon man
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions
What don’t you understand about Drew being the best defensive RF in MLB last year? I know you’re a proud high school dropout, but it really shouldn’t be that difficult to comprehend.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 25, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 25, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Love that the Yankee fan actually tiring of this guy....
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Feb 28, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
ok
leave everything the same maybe we will be as good as last year perfect
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Same?
Better defender in center, better defender in left. Consistent defense at SS, MUCH better defense at 3B, along with the about the same offense and another ace in the rotation. What from last year is the same that you don’t like?
And OK, so say Drew is actually as bad as you say he is, what next? Who do you get and what to you give for him and how do you justify it. Your move tiny.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
steelersfamily7@aol.com
Can we trade him for Pujols?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
yes
according to the nation he is more valuable than pujols because of on base % hahahaha
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols has a higher OBP.
But nice try.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
I was implying that we trade steelersfamily7 for Pujols.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
pujols is nothing compared to drew
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I'm going to assume you don't know the definition of Strawman at this point:
It’s an attempt by one side of an argument to attack a claim that the other side didn’t make.
For instance, if I were to respond “You want us to bat Varitek instead of JD Drew?! That’s stupid! The fact that you’d even suggest that shows you don’t know what you’re talking about!”
That’s a strawman.
Ditto to all these comments of yours about how we all think Drew is the greatest player to ever set foot in Fenway.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'd trade him for a bad case of the flu.
At least the flu doesn’t actively make me slam my head against the wall.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 25, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
i should probably stop commenting since there is no problem with the sox
everything is perfect u guys probably think wakefield is good to right
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions
THATS A GREAT IDEA!
Let’s put Wake in right! And you know what? I bet Paps would love to play him some 3rd base. I bet he would do a jig all damn game. And then VMart can take a few turns in the bullpen on the other end of the pitch, how about that? You’re the best GM ever sf7@a.c
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I would punch 5 babies
To see Wake crow hop and try to throw the knuck to nail Carl Crawford tagging up from 3rd.
by David Harnden on Feb 25, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Though now that you mention it
Yes, please stop.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You should probably stop commenting because you're inarticulate and have very little baseball knowledge.
That wouldn’t be too much of a problem if you weren’t also arrogant. Ignorance and arrogance are a bad combination.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 25, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry to see this trash has infiltrated your blog too
The guy is doing the same thing over at BTSC. Clearly a 12 year old troll.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
Yeah, I was checking up on him elsewhere, too.
Seems pretty likely. I’m hoping he gives me excuse enough.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
You and me both
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 25, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised you've shown this much restraint.
Had he done this on my forum I’d have given him a 24-hour time out to think about it by now. But I’m fairly impulsive.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 25, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I don't like time-outs.
Warn, then Ban.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
And if you're surprised at me...
Randy didn’t even warn him! Though he also probably didn’t see the posts he was warned for until after I got to ’em.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
blogs
thought these blogs were for opinions but i guess there actually for all u people to agree with each other and love everyone on ur respective teams
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions
They are for opinions.
You stated your opinion, and then spent the next 50 posts ridiculing anyone who came up with an intelligent counter-opinion without actually coming up with any valid counter-argument of your own.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 25, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
yes, it's for discussion
but you are not discussing, you are just making poorly supported statements and ignoring anything anyone else says. You’re welcome to have an opinion, even one I disagree with, but you aren’t open to discussion, you’re just set in your opinions and unwilling to listen to what anyone else says. And then making up ridiculous things you claim other people have said, such as the tangent you went on about “DREW MUST BE A HALL OF FAMER.”
And frankly, it’s hard to read your thoughts and take them seriously without any semblance of punctuation. You don’t need to pay thousands of dollars and go to college to learn punctuation. I knew how to use a period AND a comma when I was in kindergarten. It just looks sloppy and like you aren’t even trying, which is going to make everyone automatically predisposed to think that your points are stupid.
He is clearly trolling.
As he is doing the EXACT same thing on CelticsBlog. Writing up a fan post and trying to argue his point, but when someone disagrees he makes an asinine comment and calls them stupid. Maybe if he actually typed like a regular human being then he wouldn’t come off so bad.
He does type like a regular human being
That’s the problem.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
Ah, but see
It’s possible that’s not even him trolling. I’d think it was, were it not for the fact that he’s also trolling the Steelers’ blog. Just seems an odd distribution.
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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 26, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
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