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Over the Monster Top-20 Prospects Voting #19: Controversy for Boss?

Alright, I'm a little suspicious about this one here. Tim Federowicz had a pretty good lead early on, and then all of a sudden votes for Boss Moanaroa started to come in in a hurry for no obvious reasons. My guess? Someone out there has linked to us asking people to vote for young Boss.

However, unless Randy or an angry mob says otherwise, votes are votes, and Boss is #18. He's not the worst candidate for the position, either (or may not be in a year, at least). While his stint in the GCL was disappointingly lacking in the big power he's expected to show, he did manage a .364 OBP, and he's not turning 19 until July. Since the end of the season, Boss has played for the Central Coast Marlins out in Australia, where he's hitting .360/.438/.539 in 89 at bats. The level of competition is fairly low, but just showing that he can make good, hard contact with a wood bat is a good sign.

Time for #19, which could get confusing if Randy makes FedEx #18. But for now, we'll go on the assumption that he is not. For the record, if Moko Moanaroa or (should you be Central Coast Fans instead of family friends) Mitch Dening get flooded here, I'm not gonna buy it.

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Went with Almanzar

I know he sucked this year – but its basically b/c he was rushed to full season ball. Once he got there and clearly wasn’t ready for it there’s really nothing to do but keep him there until the short season leagues started. When they did he was promptly demoted.

Tools-wise, he is absolutely ridiculous.

by alskor on Feb 20, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Count me in that Angry Mob.

Bullshit that Boss is number 18….. maybe Top 25 but not 18…..

I’m still pulling for Madison Younginer and now Tim Federowicz ……

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Feb 20, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I call bullshit

Voted for Fed-Ex…Boss at 18 is ridiculous.

by ritz on Feb 20, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I went Fed-Ex for #18

And I’m having a really hard time understanding how a player we haven’t had in our system for long (although he has a cool name) can overtake someone like Tim. Boss isn’t exactly well known.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Feb 20, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Three for the Angry Fed-Ex Union!

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Feb 20, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It would appear

those bastards at ACORN have done it again.

Trade Beckett before the deadline
I'm taking suggestions from myself on the 2010 rally song.
Re-sign Victor Martinez, the future DH of the Boston Red Sox

by gizmosandy on Feb 20, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Doin' my Sherlock Holmes thing here

- So where this Boss Moanaroa kid comes from?
- Australia
- Hmmm…I think I found the guilty.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

he should be banned

how can you post this and be considered credible?

Trade Beckett before the deadline
I'm taking suggestions from myself on the 2010 rally song.
Re-sign Victor Martinez, the future DH of the Boston Red Sox

by gizmosandy on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey now, let's hear from the accused before we start tossing people.

Don’t want a replay of this

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Feb 21, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh...I forgot about that game.

That was awesome. I love Angry Beckett.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 22, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kidding Sandy

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Feb 22, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

We are of course limiting the voting to people who have actually seen
most of these guys play, right?? So those of you criticizing Boss need to be
stepping up with some first hand stories. Otherwise let’s give him some time.

by hagarwood on Feb 21, 2010 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

All things being equal, though, Boss is not realistically a top-20 prospect in the system.

Give him all time time you want, there are guys right now with plenty of tools and plenty of potential who’ve shown more than Boss.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 21, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Though after next year I could see it.

A breakout in Lowell is not at all unlikely.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 21, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Voting on prospects not who is best right now

Your opinion isn’t better than other voters unless you have
seen the prospects( and no offense not necessarily even then). A prospect is just that someone who is going to get better. A lot of Triple A players are better than
guys on the list, but have no chance to impact the big leagues. Voters from Australia
or where ever thought Boss has a shot. Votes are votes.

by hagarwood on Feb 21, 2010 7:14 AM EST reply actions  

I can give you 7 names who have a greater chance of MLB Impact Potential than Boss Moanaroa:

Madison Younginer
Tim Federowicz
Michael Almanzar
Will Middlebrooks (very raw)
Stephen Fife
Alex Wilson
Kyle Weiland

And for your arguement of seeing these players in action, I’ve seen all but Wilson and Weiland play ball (Greenville and Younginer in High School)

Randy, maybe we shouldn’t just assign Fed-Ex the number 18 spot, but a re-vote might be a more acceptable option.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Feb 21, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

On the flip-side

I haven’t seen any of the prospects in action, and based on the data available to me Boss isn’t a top-20 guy. Unless you count coolness of prospective nicknames…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 21, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d be disappointed if all we got was “Boss-man”. At least “Bossanova” or others…

by Sologub on Feb 21, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

All prospects are not created equal.

You’re right that it’s not about who is best now, and you’re right that my opinion doesn’t take precedence over anyone else who makes an equally informed one—which is why I’ve given the Boss voters the benefit of the doubt despite the appearance of ballot stuffing (the fact that Boss got his first vote around 18 or 19 votes in before getting 0 votes in I believe ANY prior voting period, and then proceeding to receive something like 9 of the next 11 votes) and accepted Boss at #18 barring a directive from higher authority (actually, it seems I haven’t changed the list yet. My bad). But when making this decision, there are things that can be taken into account such as scouting reports and statistical performances to date.

Scouting reports say Boss is a young guy with big power potential. Stats say he’s shown none of it in the low-level GCL. Could it show up this year? Sure, why not? The guy was only 17. But there are a lot of other very raw toolsy players who don’t have things like being relegated to first base working against them. There are also a bunch of older guys who may not have as high a cieling but are showing much more and are much more likely to make it to the MLB at this point (Ryan Lavarnway, Stephen Fife). And it’s worth noting that no other top-X lists have so much as mentioned Boss Moanaroa because, at this point, he’s mostly just a guy to keep your eye on.

Even then, I likely wouldn’t have brought it up had Moanaroa followed normal voting patterns. I don’t agree with the list 100% at this point. But from having seen all these votes progress, I know that a guy doesn’t just come out of nowhere in the period of a few days. It’s always been a matter of a few guys who got a few votes in the last poll duking it out between them. Boss essentially came out and ran before he had walked. Excuse me if I’m a little suspicious. Maybe it’s a bunch of Central Coast fans voting in their favorite NSW player, but that’s not exactly what this is about. Will Middlebrooks has a couple of fans, possibly family, who have been voting for him every single time since the start of the list. Now, were he to get in here, I wouldn’t be too surprised (assuming he got a few other votes in the prior poll), but if somehow we only had 5 votes in the first poll and 3 of them had been from Will Middlebrooks fans, are you really going to tell me he should be considered #1?

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 21, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Voting patterns

It is revealing that Boss didn’t get any votes before spot 18. My guess is someone discovered the site and either told friends or voted multiple times. I was prepared to offer
a defense of his potential – young, moving across the planet, ect. which is why seeing his tools would be important. Let’s hope he is as good as someone hopes or thinks. It wouldn’t be the first time an 18 year old broke out. Thanks for the explanation, Ben.

by hagarwood on Feb 21, 2010 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

No problem.

Certainly we all hope all Sox prospects end up as good as they can be.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 21, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Alex Speier
Yamaico Navarro has been a batting practice beast, threatening cars on Edison Ave. while mashing balls over the fence in left and left-center. His raw power is significant. Navarro said that his wrist (which required surgery to remove a broken hamate) feels "perfect" this spring, and that he is "stronger than ever.

He was dominant in Salem (.916 OPS), get promoted (after the Diaz trade), struggled (remember that the jump from A+ to AA remains the hardest just ask Kalish) and then looked by the end to start figuring things out:
Last 31 PAs: .318/.516/.500 for a 1.016 OPS with 9/4 BB/K
Considering that he’s a good defender at SS (making him a very good 3rd baseman if Iglesias starts at Portland), I’ll give him my vote.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Feb 22, 2010 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds to me like Navarro is showing power nobody ever expected.

While it’s still just batting practice, there’s never anything wrong with previously untapped power.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 22, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Pete Abraham called him a "BP beast"

And sent in a pic of him. He looks much thicker compared to pictures of him I saw last year. He looks more like a corner infielder.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Feb 22, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This team could always use an up-and-coming power-hitting 3B.

If Navarro can pull it off offensively (which he’s shown he can at lower levels), than that’s big.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Feb 22, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Give us more options than Lars/Rizzo/FA after the Beltre deal (praying for the option)

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Feb 22, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I just read through all the comments

And now I have “Like a Boss” stuck in my head.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

I have a five-tool player in my pants.

by Bloggy on Feb 22, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

SNL = sick nasty wonderful humor....

Look up “Boats and Hoes” Step Brothers!! Haha!

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Feb 22, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball America Top 100 is out:
21 Ryan Westmoreland
24 Casey Kelly
75 Josh Reddick
87 Lars Anderson

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Feb 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

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