Re-Dissecting The Red Sox Outfield Search
Over the last couple of days, there have been a number of names that have been connected to the Boston Red Sox as they continue to search for an outfielder who hits left handed pitching well.
With a heavily left-handed order now that Adrian Gonzalez is in the fold for the Red Sox, GM Theo Epstein has said he would like to add a right-handed "complementary" bat to a team with left-handers Jacoby Ellsbury, J.D. Drew, and Ryan Kalish already potentially patrolling the outfield.
The outfield market seemed very clear for the Red Sox last week with Jayson Werth on the market. The Red Sox were viewed as the heavy favorites for Werth about a week ago, but he signed a 7-year, 126 million dollar contract with the Nationals this week, taking him off the market and forcing the Red Sox to shift course
The main names that have been tossed around during the Winter Meetings this week have been Josh Willingham (via trade), Magglio Ordonez (free agent), Carlos Beltran (via trade), Matt Diaz (free agent). Even Carl Crawford (heavily priced free agent) is still being considered.
Here is a quick summary about how possible each option may be for the Red Sox:
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Josh WillinghamWillingham was placed on the trading block nearly the minute after the Nats signed Werth. The Nationals have decided they will shop the soon to be 32-year-old with first round pick Bryce Harper waiting in the wings.
The Nationals are not going to give up Willingham easily, however, as their asking price for him has been classified as "absurd" by many teams. The Red Sox have checked in on him, but they are not willing to give up more of their top-tier prospects after giving two (arguably three) of them up to acquire Adrian Gonzalez, a more established and overall superior player to Willingham.
Willingham would fit very nicely into the Red Sox lineup as he has played nearly his entire career in left field and is an alright defender, which is the kind of player the Red Sox have shifted towards since losing gloveless wonders Jason Bay and Manny Ramirez.
Willingham swings a good stick, as he has shown in his career he can give a team 20+ home runs and 80+ RBI. Willingham does not hit for average as he has only recorded a career-high .277 in Florida in his second full season, but he has made up for that in the past with a willingness to walk.
Other teams such as the Orioles, Athletics, and Tigers have checked in on Willingham, and like the Red Sox, they are scared of the price the Nationals are asking for him. They reportedly are interested in Felix Doubront, whom the Red Sox are not looking to trade.
With Washington remaining persistent on their price, the Red Sox may choose to move on and look for other options, possibly less costly ones.
Magglio Ordonez
A guy that I tossed around in my Top 5 piece yesterday, as he would be an ideal fit into the Boston lineup. He is a right-handed bat that would fit in very well in Fenway Park as the Red Sox' left fielder.
The Red Sox have recently expressed interest in the outfielder as that complementary right-handed bat they are searching for. Ordonez would ideally fit right into the number 6 hole in the Red Sox lineup as he has the ability to drive in a lot of runs, much like Werth.
However, the Detroit Tigers remain the favorites to sign the outfielder as they hope for him to return as their right fielder in 2011. The Tigers have been keeping close tabs on Ordonez as they monitor the Carl Crawford sweepstakes.
Ordonez' preference is to return to Detroit as he and the Tigers are reportedly discussing a 2-year deal according to NESN's Peter Gammons. The Tigers would like to retain Ordonez to complete their 3-5 lineup spots with Miguel Cabrera and the newly signed Victor Martinez.
While Ordonez would be a good 1-year option for the Red Sox, the Tigers appear to remain the most interested and the only team willing to offer a 2-year deal, which goes a long way for the 37-year old Ordonez and agent Scott Boras.
Carlos Beltran
The newest guy on the Red Sox radar, Carlos Beltran has been the talk of the day. The Red Sox are reportedly discussing the idea of bringing the switch-hitting outfielder over to Boston from the Mets.
Beltran would be also be a great option for the Red Sox and he could easily be the team's primary left fielder at age 33, having killed left handed pitching over the course of his career. Beltran has been nagged by injuries in his last two years as he was held to a career-low 61 games last year after he had knee surgery.
This would be an intriguing trade as he only has one year left on the seven-year deal he signed with the Mets in 2005. Beltran is due an ugly 18.5 million dollars in 2011. However, because of the strained relationship between the Mets and Beltran, they are looking to move him with new management and would likely take on at least half of Beltran's salary in a trade.
According to Gammons, the Red Sox are in conversations with the Mets, however they do remain hesistant to trade Daisuke Matsuzaka or Marco Scutaro, both players the Mets have been interested in. Beltran has had the most success in his career compared to Willingham and Ordonez as he is a 4-time All-Star and 3-time Gold Glover.
Matt Diaz
Here is a guy that I've had a hard time trying to hype myself up about. This guy was non-tendered by the Braves earlier this offseason, and battled injury last season as he was limited to 63 games. In 2010, Diaz hit just .250 with seven home runs and 31 RBI.
Diaz has had success over his career with the Braves as he hit .313 with 13 home runs and 58 RBI in 2009, and could be this "complementary" right handed bat Theo Epstein is looking to add. Diaz also fits the bill in that he has killed left-handed pitching over his career with the Braves and served in a platoon last season with Melky Cabrera, starting when there was a left-handed pitcher on the mound.
The Red Sox are reportedly one of the finalists for Diaz as he has attracted a lot of interest among other teams such as the Yankees, Dodgers, Royals, Mariners, and Blue Jays. Diaz is probably the cheapest option on this list as he isn't an everyday player be any means. Diaz is set to choose his new team in the near future.
Carl Crawford
Even though the Red Sox are looking more into acquiring a right-handed bat, the team has reportedly "not ruled out anything" and is "still very much in on [Carl Crawford]" according to ESPNBoston's Gordon Edes.
Crawford's price probably went way up when Jayson Werth signed a 7-year deal with the Nationals as the 29-year old could now be looking in the neighborhood of an 8-10 year deal, earning about 20-25 million per season.
It seemed unlikely that the Red Sox were still in on Crawford after they acquired Adrian Gonzalez on Monday, likely committing to a 7-year deal worth about 22 million per season. This would likely put Crawford out of the price range of the Red Sox, but Epstein still isn't ruling out anything.
Crawford has drawn significant interest from the Angels, whom remain the favorite to sign him. The Yankees have also expressed interest in Crawford and view him as a back-up plan if their pursuit of Cliff Lee falls short.
Even though the Red Sox are leaving the door open for Crawford, I still think that they are likely to be considered out of the Crawford sweepstakes with the Angels and Yankees having more to spend.
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Too bad about Magglio...
… I was coming around on that option.
Not that I want to rush Dice K out the door, and even if I’d like to see the team trade Scutaro to allow Lowrie to be our everday SS… I have to ask… if that’s what the Mets want for Beltran, why wouldn’t we make that deal? I know the injury risk is high, but he’s a switch hitter that was a hell of a player a few years ago… in our line up, he wouldn’t be expected to do nearly as much, behind guys like Pedroia, Gonzalez, Youk, Big Papi and even Drew.
Beltran as our #7 hitter? I like it. Even if we hit him sixth, to break up Ortiz at 5 and Drew dropping to 7, it makes sense to me.
If the Mets eat $10 million in salary, and aren’t asking for prospects like Doubront/Iglesias, we have the depth to give them Scutaro and take a gamble on Beltran, don’t we? I’d rather see Scutaro there than Dice… (remind me who takes that fifth spot in the rotation if we trade away Dice – Wake? Tazawa? Doubront??)
So… am I living too much in Beltran’s past?? For one season, with Kalish waiting in the wings if it doesn’t pan out? Is Scutaro too much to give up for this?
Jared
I think you’re a great guy from talking to you on here, and in general you’re on top of news, and you write good articles, but your new target audience is a group of people who routinely browse Fangraphs and Baseball Reference for their player statistics. Most, if not all of us are saberheads, and when your articles use batting average and RBIs as statistics to prove a point we dismiss the facts almost out of hand. Your points on the various players aren’t necessarily wrong, they’re just outdated.
For example, you say Matt Diaz is bad because he put up a .250 BA last year in 63 games. Now, he was bad last year, not because of the .250 BA, but because he put up a .319 wOBA. That being said, he did put up a .384 wOBA in 2009, which is excellent. It seems like whenever he’s been given significant playing time, his bat has actually been fairly good, whenever he’s played more than 100 games, he’s put up wOBA’s of at least .350. For a 4th OF, I’d take that immediately.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Along these lines...
I think it’s okay to give the “bare bones stats” of average, HR, and RBI. I’m not a stat-head, and so I still like seeing them. I like the next step, perhaps, to be the more in depth stats.
Sort of a “on the surface we see this, but if we look a little closer we notice this” type of thing. It’s effective for folks like me who don’t immediately wonder what someone’s wOBA is.
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Agreed
I like to see the bare bones stats in context. For instance, we all like to see a .300 BA, but if we have to decide one of two free agents who hit .300 last year, all other things being equal, I’d rather sign the guy who hit .300 with a .270 BABIP and drew 100 walks than the one with a .350 BABIP who drew only 50 walks.
I don't really have a problem with batting average
but I definitely would prefer a slash line of BA/OBP/SLG to BA/HR/RBI HR are nice, but they do change from park to park, and RBI are a product of the team, and where you hit in the lineup.
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The poorest value is Beltran; the best value is Diaz (or simply standing pat).
Beltran will cost way too much in players and money for what will almost certainly include injury time in 2011.
The best option is Ordonez or Crawford, but they, unfortunately, will likely be cost-prohibitive.
If we can’t get Willingham for a mid to upper-mid level prospect, we need to pass.
That leaves Diaz or standing pat – neither of which is a supremely bad option at all.
What we’re left with is essentially what we wanted to have in 2010 minus the injuries (and also minus Bill Hall and Jeremy Hermida).
With Diaz we get a good hitter off LHPs, a spot starter, and a late inning PH. It’s similar to what we had in Rocco Baldelli. I think we could live with that.
+1
I loved Rico Baldy. And Matt Diaz looks to be even better.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Giving up Scutaro for Beltran is not way too much.
If the Mets truly are willing to eat $10 mill, then Beltran could be a steal (just hope he is at least pretty healthy).
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
2009 for Beltran
Home: .292/.376/.403
Away: .354/.448/.585
Homie dropped a gaudy .398 wOBA despite playing half his games in his cavern (just like our good bud Adrian).
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sign Diaz and trade for Beltran?
You have the outfield (minus left) infield (minus 3B/DH, depending) and pitching rotation taken care of through ’12, and you get a chance to see how Beltran performs before you decide if you want to extend him. Let Cameron and Drew walk and look into a third base option next year.
The Jays were talking about moving Bautista to third, is that a viable option?
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Only if they're paying his whole contract.
I’d do Scoot/Bowden for Beltran and 18.5mm
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmmmm...
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
No thanks
Not interested in a DH who can’t… y’know… H
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by Jared Stegall on Dec 7, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Damn
He was my first choice
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Morosi/Rosenthal are reporting there's trade interest for Ludwick
including the Red Sox, Tigers, Orioles, and Dodgers.
Ludwick would make an interesting option depending on the price. Any more trades with the Padres and people might start calling collusion though.
No thanks.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why not 2 years for Ordonez?
I believe the guy can still hit, still play OF, move to DH to replace Ortiz against left handed pitchers, and slide to a DH/OF role in the second year if the Sox don’t extend Ortiz. By 2012, we could certainly be looking at Kalish and or Reddick on the team full time and Ordonez can slide right into the DH spot.
Seems reasonable to me.
Mets will need to get something immediately usefull for Beltran
The Mets are not the Padres. They have millions of fans that need to show up to the new stadium. I hear they need a 2B and see Scutaro there. Beltran for Scutaro and even a prospect seems more than fair. Remember, Scutaro is also damaged.
The Mets and Beltran really do not get along right now
and he’s not worth something immediately useful. They aren’t going to get anything really useful for him except for a bit of salary relief.
Exactly
Those waters have been poisoned, and I can’t imagine any other team able to take the potential risk of an 8.5m CF.
We played for years with
Manny’s “poisoned waters”. I think if there’s a chance they can get production out of him, and they can’t get a decent return from him, they’ll simply cut bait.
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Beltran is the best option ihmo
if they pitch in 10M and want Scutaro in return i’d do that in a heartbeat. If we trade Dice-K for him we need to find a 5th starter and he will cost us. I dont like Wake anymore, he is prolly below replacement level now. Pitcher always get injured so we need the depth here.
From the quality of OF discussed here Beltran has without a doubt the most upside and he is relatively cheap in prospect cost. Remember we can take the gamble on his health since we have 4 OF allready, so we dont necessary need him to play 140 games. If he is healthy he might be the piece that puts us over the top.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 AM EST reply actions
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Can confirm that the Yankees and Carl Crawford met for an extended period of time.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 8, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions
I think Peter Abraham said that the Yankees actually made him an offer
don’t know how serious of one it was though. Hard for me to see them pushing 100% to get him until Cliff Lee is resolved.
Rosenthal thinks they might get both
Confirming #Yankees face-to-face meeting w Crawford. Team could do Lee and Craw by trading OFer and/or Pettitte retiring
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
they will
thought it would be vmart and lee
but crawford and lee – no doubt
the mfy have this thing with signing 2 big name type A++ FA.
when they are serious about the FA market, they buy 2.
oh, yea. the mfy have offered lee 140-150 for seven years. (per rumours)
Jon Heyman SI_JonHeyman
market hot for magglio ordonez. working out for teams today. #tigers want him back. many others in.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 8, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions
SI_JonHeyman
magglio ordonez near top of #redsox OF list but they may be running behind. #tigers, #phils, others in. and via @DKnobler, #orioles in too
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 8, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions
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Tigers really don’t want to go past 1 year on Maggs. Someone else may do it. We’ll see
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

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